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Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:
Various ^ | August 28, 2003

Posted on 08/28/2003 5:20:42 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

Freepers, we may be able to help Terri:


I made some phone calls today and have the ULTIMATE PHONE CALL for registering a Complaint against Judge Greer. I can't reveal my sources but this is the phone number for a few pay grades above J. Greer.

Call the: Judicial Qualifications Commission at

#1-850-488-1581. I am complaining to them tomorrow that J. Greer isn't God, that he's been in the husband's corner since Day One, he doesn't care a wit about Terri's parents or her husband's attempt at medical neglect, and I'd like to know if Greer can be recalled or impeached.

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

Oh, and ping everybody you can think of.

72 posted on 08/27/2003 5:06 PM EDT by floriduh voter


From summer:

"..do a separate thread asking people to call this phone number FV provided. This could get a guardian appointed if the judge is tossed off the case for BIAS."


Background:

8 Jeb Bush intervenes for Schindler-Schiavo -   WND | 8/26

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has asked a judge to delay setting a date for removal of a feeding tube sustaining the life of a brain-disabled woman, Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

In a letter, Bush asked Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer yesterday to keep her alive until a court-appointed guardian can "independently investigate the circumstances of this case and provide the court with an unbiased view that considers the best interests of Mrs. Schiavo."


8 From JEB to FR: Full text of Gov Bush's letter to Judge Greer re: Terri Schiavo. Email from Gov Bush to summer, for FR | 8/27

 ----- Original Message -----
From: [Governor Bush's office]
To: [summer's email]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:06 AM
Subject: Letter regarding Terri Schiavo

> August 26, 2003

> The Honorable George W. Greer
> Judge, Sixth Judicial Circuit
> 315 Court Street, Room 484
> Clearwater, Florida 33756

Dear Judge Greer:

> I appreciate the challenging legal and ethical issues before you in the case > of Terri Schiavo. As I have expressed over the course of the past several > weeks, our system of government has committed these decisions to the > judicial branch, and we must respect that process. Consistent with this > principle, I normally would not address a letter to a judge in a pending > legal proceeding. However, my office has received over 27,000 emails > reflecting understandable concern for the well being of Terri Schiavo. > Given that there is no procedural avenue available for these views to be > expressed to you in the normal course of the proceedings, I feel compelled > to write in the hopes that you will give serious consideration to > re-appointment of a guardian ad litem for Mrs. Schiavo before permitting the > removal of her feeding tube or other actions calculated to end her life.

> This case represents the disturbing result of a severe family disagreement > in extremely trying circumstances. Emotions are high, accusations abound, > and at the heart of this public and private maelstrom is a young woman > incapable of speaking for herself.

> I am disturbed by new rumors about the guardian's actions related to the > current care of Mrs. Schiavo. It has come to my attention that Mrs. Schiavo > has contracted a life threatening illness, and that she may be denied > appropriate treatment. If true, this indicates a decision by her caregivers > to initiate an "exit protocol" that may include withholding treatment from > Mrs. Schiavo until her death, which would render this Court's ultimate > decision moot. While the issue of Mrs. Schiavo's care is still before the > Court, I urge you to ensure that no act of omission or commission be allowed > to adversely affect Mrs. Schiavo's health before the September 11th hearing > you have set. No one involved should be permitted to circumvent due process > or the Court's authority in order to achieve personal objectives in this > case.

> Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members, I respectfully ask that you re-appoint a > qualified guardian ad litem to independently investigate the circumstances > of this case, and provide the Court an unbiased view that considers only the > best interests of Mrs. Schiavo.

> It is a fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right > to life, both of which are co-equal in our Constitution. To err on one side > is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the > debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no > remediation. I respectfully ask that you give Mrs. Schiavo's family the > opportunity to present any new evidence as to her wishes. Evidence as to > her wishes should be reweighed as often as necessary to take into account > the effect of any new evidence, that is, to determine whether "clear and > convincing evidence" still exists that Mrs. Schiavo would now choose > withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures. While this process may delay the > surrogate's exercise of Mrs. Schiavo's privacy rights, it is necessary to > avoid denying her right to life. I urge you to err on the side of > conservative judgment to ensure that all facts can be uncovered and > considered before her life is terminated.

> I appreciate your compassion for Mrs. Schiavo's plight, and that of the > family members locked in dispute in these tragic circumstances. In light of > the ongoing contention related to so many issues in this case, I hope you > will consider appointing a guardian ad litem to ensure that the ultimate > decision is based on facts presented clearly, unclouded and uncolored by > personal interests of litigants.

> Sincerely,

> Jeb Bush

> cc: Patricia Fields Anderson, Esq.
> George J. Felos, Esq.


(WND article excerpts, cont.:) "On Friday, the Florida Supreme Court refused to intervene in the case, clearing the way for a Sept. 11 hearing in which Greer would set a date for removal of the feeding tube.

Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler of Gulf Port, Fla., have been locked in a decade-long legal battle with their son-in-law over the care and custody of their daughter, who suffered massive brain damage when she collapsed at her home 13 years ago under unexplained circumstances at the age of 26.

***The bitter dispute over Terri's lack of care became a major euthanasia battle five years ago when her husband Michael Schiavo petitioned the court for permission to have her feeding tube removed, claiming she is in a persistent vegetative state and would not want to be kept alive "artificially." The Schindlers and a number of doctors and therapists believe she could be rehabilitated, but the courts have consistently sided with Schiavo and his lawyer, right-to-die advocate George Felos.

~~~~

The article is on CNSNews.com.

Florida Judge Rejects Governor's Bid to Help Terri Schiavo
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
August 27, 2003

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Florida Circuit Judge George Greer Tuesday rejected a plea from Governor Jeb Bush to appoint a guardian ad litem to represent the best interests of Terri Schindler Schiavo, a 39-year-old disabled woman who suffered a brain injury in 1990 under questionable circumstances. Bush had intervened Monday after receiving 27,000 email messages asking for his help on Terri's behalf.

"I read [Gov. Bush's letter] because it came from the governor and I respect his position," Greer told the Tampa Tribune. "Beyond that, it is going in the file."

As CNSNews.com previously reported, Bush wrote Greer Monday asking him not to remove the disabled woman's feeding tube until a new guardian ad litem could "independently investigate" her condition. In the letter, Bush referenced the "fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right to life," which Bush noted are co-equal under the Constitution.

"To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes and to continue the debate," Bush wrote. "To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation."

But Greer told the Associated Press that he no longer has a choice in the matter.

"Frankly, I think I'm operating under a mandate from the 2nd District Court of Appeals," Greer said, "and frankly I don't think I can stray from that mandate."

In that same interview, however, the judge contradicted his own assessment of the limitation on his authority by stating that he was "not inclined" to appoint a guardian ad litem.

Michael Schiavo called Gov. Bush's intervention on behalf of Terri "crazy."

"The governor has deliberately twisted the facts in this case in an apparent effort to kowtow to his right-to-life political supporters," Schiavo told Tampa Tribune reporter David Sommer. "This has nothing to do with him. He should stay out of it."

Schiavo - who, for five years, has been seeking judicial approval to end his wife's life by denying her nutrition and hydration - also accused Terri's parents of manipulating their Catholic faith to keep their daughter alive.

"I believe in God and so did (?) Terri," Schiavo said, speaking of his still living wife in the past tense, "but they are out to push it on people... suddenly they are on a religious kick."

Judge refuses motion for hearing to set 'death date'

Greer also denied a motion Tuesday to hold an immediate hearing to set a date for the removal of Terri's nutrition and hydration tube. The hearing will be held, as previously announced, on Sept. 11. At that hearing, Greer will also rule on whether Schiavo may legally prohibit Terri's priest from visiting her.

Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, had also petitioned the court Monday to prohibit doctors from caring for Terri's current fever, labored breathing, vomiting, diarrhea and a "substantial infection."

"Given the imminence of the ward's death, further treatment (other than comfort care) for the ward's infection and other medical problems is unnecessary, unwarranted, inappropriate and futile," Felos said in an emergency motion, adding that Terri, "should be put back in hospice and receive comfort care and die in a peaceful setting."

Greer denied that motion, as well.

55 posted on 08/27/2003 5:29 PM EDT by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)


Michael Schiavo is using "privacy" as an excuse for denying Terri every contact from the outside world, even flowers. "One sign of the case's nastiness is the Schindlers' complaint that Schiavo limits their visits with their daughter. They also say he has refused to allow doctors to examine her, refused her antibiotics and needed dental work, refused to replace a broken wheelchair so she could be taken outdoors and refused the delivery of flowers from a friend to her room on her birthday."

"Her teeth are fine; she doesn't eat," Michael Schiavo said. "Why take her to a gynecologist? She was supposed to die months ago. I don't want her room filled with flowers from strangers or right-to-life activists. Even though she is vegetative she has a right to privacy."

17 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by I still care

***

I thought Gov Bush very eloquently made his case here, in this part:

To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation.

18 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by summer


***

..this judge is going to look really bad if this part is ignored by the judge:

Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members

21 posted on 08/27/2003 10:17 AM EDT by summer

***

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

That is one thing that floors me .. This Judge should have long ago appointed an independent Guardian Ad Litem and not left her husband as her sole guardian .. especially since there are questions about her husband with abuse and the fractured bones that were reveled in xrays of Terry.

Everything I have read .. this Judge seems hell bent on having her killed

73 posted on 08/28/2003 2:45 AM EDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)

***

I know that Mr. Schiavo has tried to ban Terri's mother and family and priest from seeing her.

But, I don't know how a court could prevent doctors from ordering therapy, speach therapy (which is often actually swallowing therapy) and most especially oral nutrition.

27 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)

***

Judge Greer has been with the husband since day one. A guardian ad litem would have been fair for Terri and her parents. Her parents love her but they are treated as the enemy. I'm ashamed this is happening in Pinellas County.

31 posted on 08/26/2003 7:41 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Judge Greer will not appoint a guardian ad litem. I have phone numbers from the phone book for the Clearwater Courthouse and all the guardianship phone numbers. He husband held a presser today and was very flippant about Jeb's letter and called the emailers a "bunch of right to lifers."

Hubby is looking a little nervous but with a pal like Judge Greer who is no Judge Moore, Terri has until the September 11 hearing to decide the date her starvation begins.

Here are the phone numbers: courthouse - 727-464-3000, guardianship numbers: 727-582-7563, 727-582-7771, and 727-464-8700. We can at least call as friends of Terri and voice our concerns.

25 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Freepers, please call the Juducial Qualification Commission regarding Judge Greer:  1-850-488-1581.

***

Contact friends, thank those have been fighting on Terri's behalf, including Glenn Beck, Lars Larson, CNS News.com, WND, and Bill O'Reilly.

*** Terri Schindler Schiavo's website - background and news updates: www.terrisfight.org ***

8 Terri Schiavo's website Media Contacts

Governor Jeb Bush (R)
Office of The Governor
Florida Capitol Building, PL-05
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001
(850) 488-7146
(850) 488-4441
jeb.bush@myflorida.com

The Honorable(?) George W. Greer
6th Judicial Circuit
315 Court Street, Room 484
Clearwater, FL 33756
(727) 464-3933
ggreer@co.pinellas.fl.us

Attorney General Charlie Crist
Office of Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
(850) 487-1963
Fax: (850) 487-2564
ag@oag.state.fl.us



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To: kimmie7
Thanks for the ping, kimmie - and for pinging your list. Can't stay at my computer, but will be watching O'Reilly.
4,721 posted on 09/18/2003 7:58:03 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Don't they care about the Iraqi people..at all?"~Sama in Iraq re. those pushing US to leave, 9/17)
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To: Robert Drobot
Robert, could you please stop pinging everyone on the list when you are just answering something someone has asked you? The main focus here is Terri, not your stuff. Thanks.
4,722 posted on 09/18/2003 8:03:30 PM PDT by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...ping kimmie7)
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To: syriacus
What is the other thread where there is posting?
I would like to read it.
Thanks!
4,723 posted on 09/18/2003 8:11:08 PM PDT by yesnettv (We need to decide to save Terri's life. I did.)
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To: Robert Drobot
I was very clear in my post to you,asking a direct question, with a clear yes or no answer requested.

I note you refused to answer with a yes/no.

Yes, you post often on threads relating to Terri Schiavo.
You also chide and "warn" other posters against what you deem "counterproductive efforts" to enlarge the internet communities access to relevant new developements in the battle for her right to live.

Interesting that you would not just clearly answer me as requested, or just ignore me.

Care to try again?
4,724 posted on 09/18/2003 8:11:19 PM PDT by sarasmom (Pray for Terri Schiavo.Pray harder.Please!)
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To: freeparoundtheclock
What is this OHR cult? I have never heard of them.
4,725 posted on 09/18/2003 8:25:33 PM PDT by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...ping kimmie7)
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To: All
On O'Reilly next!
4,726 posted on 09/18/2003 8:28:53 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL ("...The Land of EnCHADment")
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
i went to fox news but under o'reilly didn't see anything under terri on the website.
4,727 posted on 09/18/2003 8:37:24 PM PDT by pc93 (Mandate 2nd District Court of Appeals can still be followed after Terri gets her rehabilitation)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
I have watched o'Reilly twice tonight and I was not impressed with the way he handled terris situation. He has pissed me off. He didn't help her at all. Maybe I'm just crabby from being emotional over this, but he did not help her at all.
4,728 posted on 09/18/2003 8:39:32 PM PDT by Lovergirl (Prayers for Terri Schiavo. Lord, please save Terri Schiavo.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
You're welcome.
4,729 posted on 09/18/2003 9:15:03 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Thanks to Terri's case, my eyes have been opened to the death culture in America. God help us all.)
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To: Lovergirl
I completely agree.
4,730 posted on 09/18/2003 9:15:24 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL ("...The Land of EnCHADment")
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Can one civil judge in FL overrule another civil judge? Can we just "shop for judges"? If so, why did the Schindlers not look for a judge other than Greer? It is so tragic and confusing from the legal standpoint.

Will they be going back to federal court too? I know that's a longshot with a clintoid in charge.
4,731 posted on 09/18/2003 9:22:42 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: MarMema
I know virtually nothing about organ donations. I did not know that dehydration makes the organs unusable, but that certainly makes sense.

So how is Michael Schiavo going to get more money out of "his" cash-cow?

Did O'Reilly show Schiavo's picture?
4,732 posted on 09/18/2003 9:24:40 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: trustandobey
Another poster wrote earlier that Greer's latest starvation-dehydration order is the end of the line for the poor Schindlers.

Can Greer even be subject to a recall? I would imagine that the people in Pinellas Co. would reelect him!
4,733 posted on 09/18/2003 9:38:38 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Civil Court Judge Frank Quesada

Is Quesada ranked above Greer? If, so why can't the Schindlers go back to Quesada? Greer seems perfectly at peace with his starvation order. Wonder how he would like to go without food even for a day!
4,734 posted on 09/18/2003 9:41:30 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
You're asking the wrong questions. The issue for Michael isn't the 'cash cow' any longer, as proven by his petitioning Judge Greer for the right to spend Terri's reahbilitation funds to pay atty Felos in the effort to have Terri executed. The issue is 'will Schiavo be successful in killing off Terri before she can receive enough rehabilitation to indict him!' And yes, the Factor did show snips of Schiavo the Terrible, and snips of Terri the aware and responsive!
4,735 posted on 09/18/2003 9:42:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: freeparoundtheclock
What made me think that Greer is a "Republican" of some kind is that he is a close friend of the Pinellas Co. sheriff. Most partisan Democrats like to associate with other Democrats, and certainly not a Republican sheriff. His outburst against Jeb, however, lends one to think (as I did at first) that he is a liberal Democrat in the Bob Graham (or perhaps Howard Dean) mold.

The fact that Jeb won't remove this "judge" for obvious bias causes me to question Jeb's intentions. Doesn't he have the power to suspend this judge?

This whole think could blow up politically in Jeb's face, but I am sure he expects it to all be over by Halloween!
4,736 posted on 09/18/2003 9:55:14 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: sfRummygirl
sfRummygirl
Since Feb 10, 2003
4,737 posted on 09/18/2003 11:12:34 PM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Robert Drobot
Careful, her journalistic credentials outweigh yours ...
4,738 posted on 09/18/2003 11:14:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN; syriacus; Ragtime Cowgirl; dandelion; All
(DEEP BREATH) Okay, guys...remember in the course of research around, what, 2-3,000 posts ago Scientology came up? Remember? We kept stumbling across them in our research. We all seemed to agree that perhaps Felos was mixed up with them, due to similar viewpoints. Here's an interesting tidbit I came across tonight...

From http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/CoS/timeline.html

1988

St. Pete Times seeks to unseal files in four lawsuits against Scientology that settled in 1986. Although court files are normally open, the judge granted the church's request to seal these cases over the objections of opposing lawyers. The Church wanted to keep them closed.

Times lawyers argued in a motion in October that closing the files violated the First Amendment, interfering with the newspaper's right to gather and publish news. The suits alleged that Scientologists invaded the plaintiff's privacy and abused the courts by filing malicious injunctions.

Earle C. Cooley, national counsel for the Church of Scientology said, in reference to Scientologists opposing the Times' motion to unseal the files, "I don't know where the press gets the idea that it has a right to intervene in an agreement entered into by both parties and approved by the court."

"Mr. Cooley's memory is failing him," responded plaintiff's attorney Walter D. Logan. "We never agreed to seal the court files."

Patricia Fields Anderson, an attorney for the Times, said case law requries that court records be open, "and the burden of proof is on them to show why these cases should be closed."

I just thought it was interesting. If Felos is associated with Scientology, it would certainly explain any animosity on his part toward Pat Anderson.

4,739 posted on 09/18/2003 11:29:56 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Thanks to Terri's case, my eyes have been opened to the death culture in America. God help us all.)
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