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Schwarzenegger is The Kindergarten Candidate
My own thoughts... | 08/24/2003 | DoughtyOne

Posted on 08/24/2003 3:44:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne

The Kindergarten Candidate

In a movie released in 1990, Arnold Schwarzenegger played big city undercover Detective John Kimble, who along with his partner Pheobe O'hara played by Pamela Reed, were sent to a school in Astoria, Oregon.  Schwarzenegger's character was inserted into the school as a kindergarten teacher to find a paroled killer and drug dealer played by Colin Crisp.  The Chrisp character's son Dominic was a pupil and his ex-wife played by Penelope Ann Miller was another teacher in the school.  A significant part of the movie found Schwarzenegger's character dealing with young children under his charge, finally getting them under control.  In the movie Schwarzenegger's character also had to deal with adults who didn't always agree with his tactics.  By the end of the movie, these policy issue differences resolved themselves.

On August 13th of this year, a sequel of sorts was released.  This sequel finds Schwarzenegger playing the role of a political candidate for Governor of California.  Interestingly enough this sequel again finds Schwarzenegger trying to get children under control.  Only this time, it is unclear if he will meet with success or not.

Meet Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Kindergarten Candidate.  In this role Schwarzenegger has volunteered to reign in a criminal who has violated the State Constitution of California by not balancing the state's budget, as required by law.  Politically new to the citizens of California, Schwarzenegger will have to deal with supporters and detractors for his varied views.  Some of them will conduct themselves like adults.  Many of them will conduct themselves as kindergarten children.

In this movie Schwarzenegger will face foreign exchange students as well.  Kindergarten children now have access to the internet, and in this sequel those who haven't heard Schwarzenegger's speeches, know nothing of the character of the opposition's leading candidate, nothing of state statutes, nothing of California's election procedures, nothing of it's political history, nothing of the current business social economic or accurate political climate in California, will none the less jump up and down in class, roll on the floor kicking and screaming and do anything else they can do to disrupt.  Unfortunately these foreign (to the state) exchange students won't be alone in their disruption.  Some in-state California kindergarten students will join with them.

The adult members of California's voting public will chose their candidates by whatever set of principles they adhere to.  Many of them will do so with flawed logic or having been misled.  None the less, they will go through the process acting like adults.  Some will back Conservative candidate Tom McClintock.  Some will back a moderate in some ways, liberal in others, candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger.  Still others will will back a liberal racist separatist, Cruz Bustamante.  Reasoned state citizens will discuss the issues and polices adopted or proposed by these candidates.  They will agree, they will disagree, they will debate.  They will not jump up and down and scream like kindergarten children.  They will not have to be told hundreds of times why some things simply are.

Nobody likes it when a kindergarten student direct from Camp Dark Ubiquitous joins the adult discussion.  No matter how many times you patiently explain a detail to them, they dodge, they ignore, they make false claims, they provide clearly misleading partial quotes or half truths.  As much as these children are recognized for what they are when they drift on by, some of the same folks who recognize them for what they are, feel perfectly free to use those same tactics as long as it's in defense of their flavor of (R).

The nice thing about this new sequel, is that each of us get to choose not only the ending we want, but we get to choose the course of action that will lead up to it.  How cool is that?  Now that doesn't mean that each of us will wind up with the exact ending we desire, but at least we can determine the course of action that will lead up to the ending that the majority desires.  That's the way our political system works folks.

We can either choose to conduct ourselves as adults, or we can choose to act like kindergarten screw-ups.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is for better or worse the Kindergarten Candidate.  We all know that his stands on abortion, homosexual rights and gun control may not gel with what we want for our state or nation.  In truth we have not heard him address these issues with candor.  To act like we have and know exactly what his views are, is simply dishonest.  It's the claim of the kindergarten screw-ups.  The adults wish to know more.  To act like Schwarzenegger is no better than Cruz Bustamante or Tom Daschle is just another dishonest bunch of noise.  To act like Schwarzenegger has evaded telling us exactly what he'll do about a budget so complex that nobody knows where all the demons are buried, is another half-truth.  To repeat these things over and over is nothing more than rolling on the floor in kindergarten screaming at the top of your lungs.  It's disruption. It's childish.  It's unacceptable.

Most of the adults have made it very clear that they wish for a McClintock win.  They have also made the decision that if McClintock cannot assure us victory on October 7th, they will vote for another candidate that will be more likely to do so.  The kindergarten screw-ups leave their seats and scream bloody murder at this.  Hopefully the adults will see that for what it is, the extremely childish machinations of frustrated spoiled little brats.

If California's best and brightest conservatives could assure a McClintock victory, they would.  If they could wave a collective wand, wiggle their noses and wish their fondest dreams into existence, they'd close the borders, eliminate about 90% of our taxes, eliminate abortion on California's soil, treat homosexuals with respect but end the legitimization process, restore all gun rights to all law abiding citizens and usher in the administration of Tom McClintock.  Folks, this isn't a 1950s Disney movie.  It's a 2000s reality movie.  Sad but true, you'll have to come to grips with that fact and determine for yourselves if you can conduct yourself like an adult.

For the sake of the adult's peace of mind, let's hope most people can.  In the end, the policy differences may resolve themselves, as Schwarzenegger fails to act on the problem areas where we disagree with him.  Let's conduct ourselves with civility and respect.

Please don't make the case that folks are selling out.  Please don't continue to list Schwarzenegger's supposed liberal stances on issues for the 187,201st time.  You claim not to need for us to explain conservative considerations to you, please don't feel like you need to explain the difference between conservatism and liberalism to us.  We know.

The adults understand that Cruz Bustamante cannot be the next Governor of California.  The Kindergarten Students, may have to tolerate a Kindergarten Candidate.  Reality is a bitch.  But it is sometimes a better reality than hell.  And hell is what California will turn into under Bustamante.

Roll on the floor, jump up and down.  Kick and scream all you like.  Do it right now on this thread.  Get it out of your system.  Then let's gather behind the Kindergarten Candidate if and when the time comes.  If we're fortunate, that time won't come.  But if it does, can we please agree to do it as adults?


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KEYWORDS: arnold; california; governor; mcclintock; mcclinton; schwarzenegger; schwarzenloser; schwarzenrino
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To: B Knotts
Is Arnold Schwarzenegger a white separatist?

Cruz Bustamante is a brown separatist. Now, is there a difference or not?
61 posted on 08/24/2003 9:21:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Kevin Curry
Right. "Magically" the 35% that were undecided last week are "magically" now for Cruz.

And the times refuses to release the Poll questions, something that should disqualify it from releasing it's conclusions, but that is something the left does daily, make wild accusations that they can't back up because the dog ate the statistics.

Jesu, some people will believe anything, no matter how illogical if it fits in with their view of how things should be.
62 posted on 08/24/2003 9:22:24 PM PDT by LaraCroft ('Bout time)
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To: DoughtyOne
Excellent rant D-1. I seriously doubt that the governor will have any time for social issues, he's going to be too busy trying to save Calfornia.

I keep thinking of a swimmer out in the ocean, with a great white shark coming right at them. A lifeguard appears and the swimmer asks him what his views are on abortion and gay rights.

I'm one of those foreign students you wrote about, but my beloved state is directly impacted by what happens in California. We got our current governor Jam-it Nepolitano thanks to California refugees. I attended a zoning meeting a few months ago and the locals were almost voted down because the recent imports from California didn't want a power station built in the neighborhood. Arizonans know-No power station=No aircondioning. We have gone from the most reliably conservative state in the union to almost blatantly liberal. I want your state saved so all those refugees can go home.

63 posted on 08/24/2003 9:24:36 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: B Knotts
If you would have read this thread before starting your blather on it, you'd know that I support McClintock as long as he can get his numbers up to where he can win.  If he can't do so I'm going to vote for Schwarzenegger.  I do not want Bustamante in there.  Neither do you.

64 posted on 08/24/2003 9:24:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Is Arnold Schwarzenegger a white separatist?

I don't know the answer to that; I suspect not.

Cruz Bustamante is a brown separatist. Now, is there a difference or not?

So, you think he's going to declare independence, and the U.S. government is just gonna sit on its hands? I just don't buy Bustamante as the big bogeyman of Aztlan. He's an incompetent, not-terribly-intelligent, mediocre career politician.

It would be better if he is not elected, but I am not convinced as of yet that Schwarzenegger is substantially better. He needs to put out some actual substance, and fire some of the liberal goons on his team.

65 posted on 08/24/2003 9:26:45 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: McGavin999
I just don't know what people are thinking. The dump California set think that will fix everything. No, it will put the Mexican border on two sides of you. You'll be next to be sold out by these twits as they sell out everyone up to their doorstep. Then what we've been trying to tell them for decades will be important.

All you can do is shake you head an realize they haven't a clue.
66 posted on 08/24/2003 9:28:05 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
I was there when we passed 187, and the next governor, in order to rescue the state, absolutely must revive it. The primary reason I am suspect of Schwarzenegger is that he has now brought on anti-187 people on his team, presumably as a means of picking up some of the Hispanic vote.
67 posted on 08/24/2003 9:30:43 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
You don't know the answer?  You seem to think you've got all the anwers.  I'm here to tell you you don't.

Look, you guys have honed this "Sgt. Shultz act - I know nothink" ploy when you want to, to the point that it's insulting to yourself.  I don't believe you are this dense.

There is a movement that has spread across this nation to just about every university campus.  MIT has a chapter of Mecha.  Do a search on Mecha.  Read up.  There are other players in this movement.  I invite you to check out http://www.aztlan.com.  A number of places on that site they make the comment, "Here in Aztlan, and also in the United States..."  For your edification, they are in the South Los Angles Orange County area.  Check it out.

Cruz Bustamante has been a Mecha member for over a decade.  He has refused to extricate himself from that organization and has refused to renounce their policies as well.  
Cruz Bustamante has openly stated in public that he supports the Aztlan movement.  Why should you think otherwise?  One of the two last mayoral candidates for Los Angeles was also a Mecha member.  Luckily he lost.  He had also made comments in public about supporting the Aztlan concept.

The person that is voted in on October 7th, will serve the remainder of Davis' term.  I believe they will then be able to run on their own for two terms.  Even if it is only one term, the Governor of California makes many appointments.  This person will more than likely serve at least 6.5 years and possibly as long as 10.5 years.  During that time Cruz would be able to imbed thousands of appointees all over the state.  He could imbed commissions and other NGOs with funds that could work against the state and our federal government.  That's what Mecha is all about.

Is this going to happen overnight?  No.  Is it wise to place this type of individual in a place of power?  You tell me.  I believe you said you didn't so I'll take you at your word.  If you truly feel that way, please lay off A.S.  He may not be perfect, I certainly don't think he is, but he may be our only hope of keeping some terrible individuals out of office.

Of course you have a right to say whatever you want, but doesn't it bother you that you might be facilitating the desires of people like this?


68 posted on 08/24/2003 9:46:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: B Knotts
He has brought in a number of people of varried beliefs to help out. Just like Buffett, he'll slap them down if he thinks he needs to. We've already seen him do it.

I'll post something regarding 187 for you. I can tell you haven't seen it yet.
69 posted on 08/24/2003 9:48:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: B Knotts
Check this out.

It starts off with him backing Prop 187, but later on it states that a guy you may have mentioned is now on his team.

Look guy, I don't know what to tell you. I've tried to make it as plain as I can that I want McClintock to win, but as long as you guys keep trashing someone we may have to rely on to keep Bustamante out of there, I'm going to have to keep responding that we may have no choice to but back A.S., and I'll continue to ask you not to destroy him on the forum.

Here's that link: http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/961661/posts
70 posted on 08/24/2003 9:53:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
The big problem you have electing Arnie is now you have established the new prototype candidate for the Republican party, a RINO. Hopefully McClintock can get even overtake Arnie in the debates. Then it would be in Arnold's best interest to drop out and support McClintock, since deep in his heart, Arnold knows Tom will do a much better job restoring California's financial health.
71 posted on 08/24/2003 10:33:49 PM PDT by Russell Scott (Without massive intervention from Heaven, America doesn't have a prayer.)
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To: Russell Scott
Russel, the McClintock model you mention is precisely what I hope for, but it's a little bit of a tough sell saying Arnie is the prototype, when someone else I could mention raised the spending for the DoE by 70% in the last 2.5 years.
72 posted on 08/24/2003 10:36:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Who is McClintock? I never named him or anyone but The Arnold & Red Davis & Bustamonte. You enjoy this so much, re-read my answers to your request for views.

Your fear of Bustamonte drives your argument...

I have no more interest in your strange conversation.
73 posted on 08/25/2003 1:48:47 AM PDT by GatekeeperBookman (Impossible and Radically Idealist notions; Strict Constructionist; prickly; quarrelsome.)
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To: GatekeeperBookman
LOL. Nice try. There are two viable candidates for the Republican party at the moment. You are dumping on one of them. Now let me see, who could the beneficiary of that tactic be? Well you haven't figured it out yet so I guess I can be forgiven.
74 posted on 08/25/2003 2:28:14 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: GatekeeperBookman
Since we don't know if McClintock can be elected or not, and Arnold will be the only fall back position if he isn't,
all this negative talk about Schwarzenegger is simply carrying water for the democrats.

So if you're going to do the democrats dirty work for them, you just as well provide the links so people can donate too.

California Democratic Party, The
Democrat Nation Committee
No On Recall - Yes on Bustamante
 

75 posted on 08/25/2003 2:30:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
I have said my piece on this some time ago, but I will repeat it here. As it gets closer to the election and no one else has dropped out, Then Republicans should coalesce around whoever is the front-runner, whether McClintock, Schwarzenegger, or Uberroth (Uberhoff?). The most important thing is to get the governorship out of democrat hands.

I am not a Californian, but it seems to me that the statements of some supporters on either side are counter-productive. It does seem like there are more nasty posts from McClintock supporters, but I could be mistaken. I have seen relatively few posts attacking McClintock, but a whole lot of posts attacking McClintock supporters, perhaps because so many of them have been so rude.

At any rate, I am pretty much staying out of this from now on because my opinion doesn't carry a vote, and I don't have to live with the consequences, except the mess that will be spread nationally by having Bustamante as governor.

This is a thoughtful essay, Doughty One, and I hope people pay attention.

76 posted on 08/25/2003 2:32:03 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
You won't see me trashing McClintock or Ueberroth. If they can drive their numbers, I'll be satisfied to see them elected. If McClintock wins, I think we all win. Ueberroth wasted his political capital over a decade ago. I'm not sure who was advising the guy, but jumping in wasn't a sound move IMO.

You won't see me taking McClintock supporters on, unless they are trashing our fall back position. If they're going to do that, I'm going to jump in with both feet.

It bothers me to express my support for McClintock, then have someone ask me why I'm selling out. How much more clear can you make it for people. No on Bustamate. Period.

Thanks for the comments. Take care.
77 posted on 08/25/2003 2:48:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
It is this effortless friendly way that comes natural to Schwarzenegger that is going to serve him well during this campaign.

I agree. While I have yet to decide who I will vote for (probably won't know until the last week), I do recognize that not only do we need a physical conservative as governor, but there are a lot of other positions in the state house that need to be replaced. I see a real possiblity that AS as governor just might motivate more folks to get involved with the republican party here in California. And *that* is what I think the democrats fear the most... not McClintock for governor but someone who can motivate the Republican base. Maybe it could become respectable again.

78 posted on 08/25/2003 8:20:31 PM PDT by hotpotato
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To: DoughtyOne
Well he is electable compared to McSpoiler or Uber-man, so does this mean you are going for Bustamante instead?
79 posted on 08/25/2003 8:23:25 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: novacation
WHAT? In the 1980's Schwartzenegger himself ASKED the SW center to find out what his Father's role was. If CNN made is seem like the SW center was just now investigating, it's BS.
80 posted on 08/25/2003 8:25:50 PM PDT by Hildy (Vote McClintock and get Bustamante.... hope you're happy.)
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