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Carelessness and Casualness in worship
The Middletown Bible Church ^ | 08/19/03 | various authors

Posted on 08/19/2003 7:56:34 PM PDT by RaceBannon

Carelessness and Casualness in Worship

"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself [conduct thyself] in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." (1 Timothy 3:15)

"God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about Him." (Psalm 89:7)

Whatever Happened to our Sunday Best? by Dr. Paul Tassell

The Way We Dress Should Show That We Honor the Lord!

One trend I have noted in local churches in recent years is carelessness. Carelessness in dress. Many people attend the house of God attired the same way they would dress for a rodeo or a football game.

When people are to be guests at the White House for a meeting with the President, they dress up—suits and ties for the men; pretty dresses for the ladies. Appropriate dress indicates appropriate respect. When the President speaks to a joint session of congress, the gallery guests as well as the lawmakers are all dressed in their best.

Does not our Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church, deserve as much consideration and respect as our President? Does not your pastor deserve that much respect for his message?

I grew up in a home with two brothers and three sisters. My job every Saturday night was to polish eight pairs of shoes My parents taught us six children to "dress up in our Sunday best" for the house of God. When my wife and I go to hear our pastor, we dress up. We respect him, and we respect the Lord he represents.

Pastors and their wives should lead the way in setting a proper example of dressing for the occasion. More than once I have been disappointed at a classy restaurant where I was meeting with a group of businessmen and a pastor, only to have the pastor show up open-collared and inappropriately informal while all the businessmen were dressed in three-piece suits and ties. I do not believe the pastor's influence and testimony were enhanced by such a breach of etiquette.

I know the Lord looks on the heart, and clothes don't necessarily make the man, but how we dress when we go to a worship service ought to indicate how much we honor our Lord. We do not have to be fashion models, but we should "dress up" for our Saviour's special day at His special house, the local church. The spirit of what I am saying is captured in the words of Malachi:

A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a Master, where is My fear (reverence)? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests (Malachi 1:6).

"Just as I Am" is an invitation for sinners, not a description of how the saints are to attend a church service. The Prodigal Son came home in rags. As soon as his father accepted him, however, he was dressed in a fine robe; shoes were put on his feet and a ring on his finger. Before Joseph went in to have an audience with Pharaoh, "he shaved himself, and changed his raiment" (Genesis 41:14). So should we look our best when going to the house of God to worship the Lord of the Church.

I am not pleading for barring anyone from a church service because of the way he or she is dressed. But I do think visitors to our services ought to be impressed by how special we believe our church and Lord to be as we "dress up."

Let's not allow our local churches to become sanctuaries of the sloppy and temples of the tacky. Let's respect our Master, minister and message. --Dr. Paul Tassell

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God's Holy and Special Person requires reverence on the part of those who know Him and who seek to honor His Name. "God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about Him" (Psalm 89:7). He is the great and awe-inspiring God who demands our worshipful respect, not only in the way we dress, but also in the way we sing.

We dress in a proper and special way on the Lord's Day because it is a special occasion and we are meeting with a special Person, even the God who is to be feared and revered. Because of this special occasion and special Person, we want to sing in a manner that is appropriate and befitting such a worthy and glorious God. It is a time of worship, not entertainment. Applause runs horizontally and relates to man's humanity and not vertically relating to God's deity. It is out of place in the place that is seeking only to point to God and honor Him.

The dressing, the singing, the bending of the heart before God in humble worship—all of this is but the preparation of one's heart attitude for the glad reception of God's Holy Word. The One who is high and holy is looking for those who will tremble at His Word (Isaiah 66:1-2). He is looking for those who will bow before the authority of His Word. "Speak Lord, for Thy servant is listening."

Right dressing encourages right thinking. Right thinking encourages right singing. Right singing readies and tunes the heart for thankful learning. May God's Word dwell in us richly and may God the Master Musician produce His melody in our hearts to His praise (Col. 3:16). "And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD" (Psalm 40:3).

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Casualness in the Way We Sing

by Robert Regal

Music, The Barometer of a Society The church has swallowed the monstrous heresy that noise (music), size, bluster and activity, make a man dearer to God. --A. W. Tozer The article by Dr. Tassell and the above quote of Dr. Tozer should sound an alarm in the midst of the saints who have gone to sleep at the helm of the "Good Ship Grace," and have turned aside from "the faith once delivered to the saints." The Church, the "Body" and "Bride" of Christ, made up of local assemblies around the world has been impacted in our time by the "spirit of the world" (1 Corinthians 2:12). This is foreign to God's ideal which is delineated in the rest of the verse: "...but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."

Many of the saints of our time seem unable to discern "the Spirit of God" from "the spirit of the world." We are commanded not to love the world, nor be enamored by it, and never to be dominated by it. We are not to be "conformed to the world, but transformed by the renewing of the mind," for "...we have the mind of Christ" (Romans 12:2; 1 Corinthians 2:16).

Particular contemporary musical styles have become classic examples of the "spirit of the world" invading the church. Not only have they invaded the assemblies of believers world wide, but they dominate. Try to address it and the assembly splits. Leadership hesitates to address it for fear of creating unnecessary waves, and, "after all, we must get together in our day; we must unite on the main issues and not be overly concerned by doctrine." (I might add, we need to be sure that it is sound doctrine.) First, certain styles of the musical language are tolerated, this is soon followed by domination (down with the traditional, conservative, stylings) which, in turn, leads to compromise.

A consequence of this invasion affects the life style of the believer. Where you find an emphasis on much of contemporary stylings, you will notice a cloak of casualness that moves in among the saints. Thus the timely article of Dr. Tassell. If this situation is addressed the assembly cries out, "legalism!"

The style of music will not only affect the attitude of the saint in the area of clothes, grooming, and personal deportment, but in theology. It fosters a looseness in the spirit of worship, teaching, edification and fellowship. I have observed in many of the churches in which I have visited this "casualness," not only in attire, but in fellowship (conversation, noise), which becomes boisterous to the point that the pastor or man of music, or whoever is in charge, has great difficulty in beginning the service. What makes it worse is that the fellowship (conversation, noise), usually has nothing to do with the purpose of the church meeting together. What has created this mood and encouraged this pre-service situation?

One of the strengths of music and its varied styles are the moods and the emotions it generates. I am not saying that Pop, rock, in all its versions, Western, Country Western, Jazz, Folk, Stamp Baxter, New Age, Contemporary, and such like, are not part of the musical language, for they are an expression that comes out of our age and culture, which culture, in many areas, is caught up in insipid subjectivism and decadence. What I am saying is that these styles and idioms speak of the world and its culture good and bad and are thus disqualified to be the musical vehicle for the saints in worship, fellowship, evangelism, and the Christian life in general. The following are two quotes supporting this position:

The development of form in music itself is an attempt to reach completeness through an artistic media. Music having a definite secular symbolism is poor music for worship. Jazz, etc. is confusing. It is too much like everyday life to be ultimately satisfying. (Emphasis Mine)

--Dr. Bernstein, Professor of Music, New York University

Art and music always reflect a particular view on life and the world. Deeply felt values are expressed through the way the theme and subject matter are handled. Thus, even junk and punk rock say something very definite, very deliberate. What rock is saying in today's culture disqualifies it as a vehicle for spiritual communication.

Reduced to its smallest component parts, music is amoral. There is nothing inherently wrong with 440 hz vibration or a dotted quarter note followed by an eighth note. The same could be said for a letter in the alphabet or a drop of paint or a particle of clay. But as soon as a human being combines any of these building blocks, the creative process has begun and the resulting creation always reflects a view of life.

For this reason, the Christian cannot sanitize rock. Even if we ignored the worldly associations of rock (and we cannot), its musical origins spring from a view of life altogether different from the Christian's. Because Christ must be the focal point of our music, the style must never overshadow Him or draw attention to itself. (Emphasis mine)

--Peck, "Rock, Making Musical Choices"

For too long the church has assumed and taken for granted its musical heritage which is rich in great hymn and gospel composition wedded to magnificent texts both in subjectivity and objectivity, that have passed testing through the channels of time and have emerged in our day arranged and rearranged, added to and extended, imbued with the touch of the art of great musical invention. Excellent music has been and is being written in our day, but one has to sift through and discern its textual and musical values and not be caught up in the argument for style. God gave us the substance of music, man gives us the style. There are 12 tones in our music scale. The arrangement of these tones in melody and harmony, the pulse of the meter that drives it and guides it, the text that gives the composition meaning, all fall into a style that must be thought about.

It should be remembered that two areas are involved in music ministry in and to the assembly, and for that manner, to each other and to ourselves. See Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16 and Hebrews 13:15. Two languages are wedded together and both have a grammar, a syntax, and a rhetoric: Lyrics, or the word text, and composition, the music text. This then is the substance of musical expression, which expression becomes the barometer of a society. If this is true, and it is, then we could say without any provocation, that it is also a barometer of the church and its condition in society, and in its address to today's culture.

The Lord Jesus is a model for every believer. He was in the world but was not of the world: "I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world" (John 17:14). He was sent on a mission to the world, a world which hated Him, and He in turn has sent believers into the world, and in turn, the world will hate them; that is, if they are truly believers and love Him and desire to please Him as He pleased the Father, and realize that they also are on a mission to the world. See John 17:15-21.

The Lord Jesus, in verse 21, requested unity for the future believers (see also verse 11 and verse 22). These verses have been misused and abused by the promoters of the present ecumenical movement.

"Admittedly the divided church is in many ways a scandal. The cure, however, is not institutional union. Jesus was not praying for the unity of a single, worldwide, ecumenical church in which doctrinal heresy would be maintained along with orthodoxy. Instead, He was praying for the unity of love, a unity of obedience to God and His Word, and a united commitment to His will. There are great differences between uniformity, union, and unity." (Emphasis Mine)

The Bible Knowledge Commentary (NT), p. 333

All believers belong to the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13), and the world should know of their spiritual unity by their life style. This life style, whether the church or the world, is expressed through the greatest medium of expression we know, musical expression, the heart of this discussion. Nowhere in the Word of God am I encouraged to adopt the musical language that expresses the world that hates God and the believer, for as Dr. Bernstein wrote...."music having a definite secular symbolism is poor music for worship...it is confusing. It is too much like everyday life to be ultimately satisfying."

"When you take great theology and wed it to grand musicology, it ascends before God in magnificent doxology." Stephen Olford

--Robert Regal From the book: With the Voice of Singing

Additional Thoughts

On Worship

REVERENCE BEFORE THE AWE-INSPIRING GOD

If we are going to know God who is holy, we need to reverence and fear Him. "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction" (Prov. 1:7). Since God truly is such a unique and awesome Person, He ought to have our respect. When we speak of His Name and Fame we ought to have a healthy response that reverences Him because of who He is.

Worship is intimately connected with the reverence and fear of God. Worship means to prostrate oneself before God, to bend down, to bow down, to bend the knee and thus to bend the heart. "O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our Maker" (Psalm 95:6).

We need to read the Bible with an understanding that God has all authority. He has the right to be worshipped and reverenced. The least I can do is hear what He says and respond to what He says in the right way. I may not understand all He says, but at least I will give Him reverence. I will bend my heart and bow before the authority of His Word.

The Bible describes God as a "terrible God." This means that He inspires terror, fear, dread. He is awe-inspiring, demanding our deepest respect because of WHO HE IS and WHAT HE HAS SAID. "For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible [awe-inspiring]" (Deut. 10:17). "If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD" (Deut. 28:58). May He be your fear! May He be your dread! (Isaiah 8:13).

THE MISSING INGREDIENT

Whatever characterizes the religious attitude of our day, it is not reverence and awe. Rarely can one enter a church today, where the hustled silence in the atmosphere makes one conscious of the presence of Him who is a "consuming fire." The head bowed "waiting in silence for God only," the tuning of the heart, the tremulous expectancy have gone out of worship. A babble of voices and a discussion of trivial affairs is not an atmosphere conducive to doing business with the living God.

Here are some suggestions as you prepare for the worship service: 1. Remember that when the organ begins playing the prelude, God's people are to be silent. There is to be a "holy hush" as believers prepare their hearts to meet a holy God. Refrain from talking and chatting with your pew neighbor so that your mind will be centered on the Lord rather than on self and others. 2. The moments may be used for silent prayer—remembering yourself and your own heart attitude, the Pastor, the choir and the other worshippers. 3. The moments may be used for prayerful meditation—you could think upon a verse of Scripture or you could meditate upon what you learned from the Pastor's last message. 4. Remember the words from Psalm 46:10--"BE STILL, and know that I am God: I WILL BE EXALTED among the heathen, I WILL BE EXALTED in the earth."

HOW TO WORSHIP

Be silent. Be thoughtful.

Be reverent, for this is the house of the Lord.

Before the service, speak to God.

During the service, let God speak to you.

After the service, speak to one another.

LEARNING FROM THE ANGELS

"When we consider what glorious beings the angels are, and yet that they are but creatures of, and servants to, the God whom we serve, waiting before His Throne, and humbly attending His commands; this consideration, if we let it sink deeply into our hearts, must needs possess us with most awful apprehensions of the glorious majesty of our God at all times, but especially in our approaches to Him in His worship, and fill us with the greatest reverence and humility. With what reverence should we behave ourselves in our addresses to the Divine Majesty, before whom the Seraphim themselves hide their faces! And if they cover their feet, are conscious to themselves of their natural imperfection, compared to the infinitely glorious God; how should we clods of earth, we vile sinners, blush and be ashamed in His presence, assuming no confidence to ourselves, but what is founded on the mercies of God and the merits of our blessed Redeemer and Advocate, Jesus Christ!"--Bishop Bull (1634-1710)

IMPROVING THE PASTOR'S PREACHING

Sunday the sermon was sluggish, 'twas hard attention to keep.

The theme was faultily chosen, it almost put me to sleep.

Monday was blue with sheer boredom; Tuesday was carnal by choice.

Wednesday my conscience was wakened by pleas from a still small voice.

Prayer Meeting left me uplifted, loyalty lingering long.

Thursday my heart was responding; Friday His nudging was strong.

I came to thorough repentance the following Saturday;

I yielded in full surrender as all on the altar I lay.

Sunday the sermon was perfect, superb and quite at its peak;

Amazing how greatly the Pastor improved in the space of one week!

* * * * * Come with a prayerful attitude and a prepared heart. You will find it to be one of the best ways of improving the Pastor's preaching! There will be more POWER in the pulpit when there is more PRAYERFULNESS and PREPAREDNESS in the pew!

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To: Quix; RaceBannon
It seems to me the answers to all these questions is found in one location: http://etext.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html#kjvbrowse

What I am seeing in the discussions here is the word of man. We need not listen to men, but to our Holy Father.
401 posted on 08/22/2003 8:00:00 AM PDT by SLB
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To: RaceBannon
Considering how Tommy went from an unbelieving savage who wore animal skins ...

You mean like the animal skins that God saw fit to give to Adam and Eve?

402 posted on 08/22/2003 8:22:03 AM PDT by Theo
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To: Theo; nmh
Did God give Tommy those animal skins or did Tommy make a dress of fig leaves Like Adam and Eve from his own hands?

You guys are so stretching things in order to defend this heresy, I am amazed you don't see it.

403 posted on 08/22/2003 8:43:29 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: Theo; nmh
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/christia/modesty.htm

MODESTY
"Put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ"
(Romans 13:14)




As children of God we live in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom we are to shine as lights (Phil. 2:15). The society that surrounds us is alienated from the God of LIGHT and RIGHT. They are in the REALM and under the RULE of darkness, loving darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil (John 3:19-20). This unbelief produces the outworking of humanity's bankruptcy before God, as evidenced by immorality, sexual confusion and perversion, LUST over LOVE, shameful acts and actions which are accepted and applauded, encouraged and promoted by indecency, immodesty, nudity, etc.

Society is upset and concerned over acts of rape, sexual perversion, child abuse, child pornography, incest, AIDS, marriage failures, marriage unfaithfulness, etc. Yet society feeds upon and all too often follows the fads and fashions (bathing suits, immodest clothing, etc.) which actually have contributed to the continuance of such things.

In light of the above, it is of utmost importance that we as believers understand what the Bible teaches on the subject of modesty.

The Christian's outward appearance is a matter of concern to the Apostle Paul, particularly in the case of Christian women, for whom he lays down some guidelines: "In like manner also that women adorn [arrange] themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety" (1 Tim. 2:9).

The adjective "modest" literally means "orderly, well-arranged." Women should thus dress orderly (the opposite of chaotic), neatly and in good taste, seeking to be attractive.

"While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands" (1 Pet. 3:2-5).

The term "shamefacedness" in 1 Timothy 2:9 suggests the idea of modesty and humility. The word means "not to see, not to look at, to turn away their eyes and not to look at others," the quality of modesty implying the result of respect: "that women dress themselves in becoming clothing modestly and properly."

The girl who adorns herself with shamefacedness is the girl who shrinks away from anything that would even suggest immodesty or indecency. She is not willing to look at that which makes for shameful or disgraceful actions. It involves the regard for others which shuns looking at one's wretched condition or circumstance. It involves a sense of shame about one's own condition so as not to look at or be looked upon causing bad or disgraceful actions. She abhors (shrinks back from) "that which is evil" (Rom. 12:9), abstaining "from all appearance of evil" (1 Thess. 5:22), not even speaking of such things (see Ephesians 5:3--"But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints"). She desires to display the Lord Jesus by her life and good works: "And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness" (Eph. 4:24).

"Sobriety" (in 1 Timothy 2:9) may be rendered "sound-judgment," and indicates that the Christian woman should give careful thought to what she should wear, how she should dress, and the appearance that she will present to others. She is to dress sensibly. Modesty in dress, especially today, requires careful discrimination. The Christian girl is not to be conformed to the world's sensuous standards, and must set aside many of the fashions of today. At the same time, she ought to display good taste in the clothing she wears, not drawing attention to herself with extremism in either direction: "Be not the first by whom the new is tried, nor yet the last to lay the old aside."

In these days of worldly trends and fads, it is our responsibility (whether male or female) as obedient children of God to reject all that would hinder our ultimate purpose of glorifying our wonderful Saviour. Here is a principle which we might apply personally to ourselves:

Whenever a new style or a new way of dressing or a new way of saying something is seen or heard by me, I will look to see if it pictures truth or error. I will see if it agrees or disagrees with God's Word and God's ways. I will see if it makes clear or confuses and clouds up God's Person and God's Word. I will see if it mixes truth and error. May nothing detract from the message I want to present: "I BELONG TO THE SON OF GOD WHO LOVED ME AND GAVE HIMSELF FOR ME."

Modesty goes far beyond mere dress and physical appearance. It is an attitude of the mind. It is the adorning of the hidden man of the heart. It is a meek and quiet spirit which in the sight of God is of great price. Modesty is displayed by the person who does not want to draw attention to self but rather desires that the Saviour would receive all the attention. By one's dress (or lack of dress) the immodest person is saying, "Look at me! Look at my body!" Compare Proverbs 31:30—"Favor [to make one appear graceful, acceptable in the eyes of others] is deceptive [disappoints and betrays one] and beauty is vain [illusory], but a woman who feareth the LORD, she shall be praised."

The believer's message of modesty should point not to oneself but to the saving Person of the Lord Jesus Christ:

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me." (Gal. 2:20)

"I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called [to walk worthy of our high, heavenly and holy calling]." (Eph. 4:1)

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." (Rom. 13:14)

"And let the beauty of the LORD our God be upon us." (Psalm 90:17)

"According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death. For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." (Phil. 1:20-21)

Whether male or female, we all need to realize the problems that are created as one looks at that which stirs the sin nature, the passions promoting SELF, wrongful sex, wrong relationships, etc. As believers we are free and privileged to exercise God's Person by way of the Lord Jesus Christ, TO SHOW THE SAVIOUR, not to promote SIN and SELF. By God's grace may we cover the nakedness of our flesh with the clothing provided for us in the Lord Jesus Christ which is described for us in Colossians 3:12-14 and Ephesians 4:24.





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404 posted on 08/22/2003 8:53:46 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
We're only on this earth for a relatively short period. After that, those who are reborn children of God will spend the rest of eternity in His blessed presence, in Heaven.

Right now, there's a lot of disagreement between your positions and my positions. They seem kind of significant now (although technically, they're "minor" doctrinal issues). One day, however, you and I and other Christian Freepers will look back at this time and chuckle. In Heaven, neither of us will be concerned about who "won the argument" or who had the "most correct doctrinal position." Instead, we'll both be enjoying the Lord and communicating our love for Him, to Him and among ourselves.

In the meantime, I've found this discussion helpful in that I've met a few "worship team" musicians, and we're beginning to exchange ideas. If anyone else out there is interested in sharing your thoughts about serving on your church's "worship team," maybe send me a Freepmail so we can bounce ideas off each other, and encourage each other!

405 posted on 08/22/2003 9:41:39 AM PDT by Theo
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To: RaceBannon
Did God give Tommy those animal skins or did Tommy make a dress of fig leaves Like Adam and Eve from his own hands?

You are not exempt from your own logic, my friend. Using your own logic, I'll pose to you a question: "Did God give the Europeans the suit and tie or did the Europeans make a dress of cotton?" Of course God is not making clothes for people any more, as far as we know. But we do know that He made at least one outfit for humanity, and it was of animal skin.

I'm really, really tired of this discussion. It's true that we're to dress modestly, in an effort not to cause our brothers and sisters to stumble. You're right that humble and modest clothing is a virtue.

406 posted on 08/22/2003 9:45:35 AM PDT by Theo
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To: RaceBannon
So many points to make, so slow at typing.

I think we are beginning to see doctrinal differences surface in this discussion. For instance:

RB's church:

Pre church demeanor is thoughtful, worshipful and quiet as an organ plays some beautiful hymns. The conversatons that are going on are in hushed tones. A wonderful, contemplative atmosphere.

TexanToTheCore's church:

The band is warming up (18 musicians), lots of sound floods the church. Praise team members are taking one last run-through, rehearsing difficult passages. The video team is running tests on their cameras, the video production team is in their seats switching from camera to camera, the sound engineers are running tests on the system to make sure that the settings that they worked all week to set up are still good and true.

There are knots of people praying in various locations of the church, some led by Bible Study teachers others led by friends and neighbors. Some are crying others are smiling. You hear laughter over the din.

As the congregation comes in, people greet each other loudly, hugging and sharing their week's experiences. Friends in trouble are asked for an update and prayers break out!

Casual dress, usually business casual, is the rule of the day. Many of the teenagers come in with their friends, dressed in jeans and Jesus tee-shirts. One says "Jesus Rocks!", another "Jesus is the one!". Others have scriptural quotes (our church must have a "tee-shirt budget" that is eye watering, I get several per year).

Deacons are scurrying across the sanctuary (very large)making sure that all is in readiness. Greeters are greeting and ushers are ushing.

Congregants are finding their seats, removing their Bibles from their Bible covers. Some have tooled leather, others "ballistic nylon" and some have denim covers with a country motif. The people take out their pens and hold them in readiness to make notes in the margin of their Bibles.

You can feel the excitement build.

The Music Minister makes his way from the podium to the front of the choir loft, carefully negotiating fiber optic and electrical cables and yells to the choir "Let's go to prayer!". Over the din of the band, he shouts a 2 minute prayer that asks for the wisdom to use our skills to praise Him ,to bring others to Christ, and to move those things in their hearts that keep Jesus from entering. As he finishes, singers lift their arms and and shout Amen.

The Music Minister makes his way back to the podium and calls for the attention of band and choir.

He begins the the intro for the first song, "Days of Elijah". Everyone in the congregation looks with expectation to the choir. Many of the choir singers are now bobbing their heads in time to the music as they stand. As the intro coninues, many singers begin to clap and sway to the music.

He gives the cue for the choir and a wall of sound rolls out of the choir loft, filling every cavity of the church, shaking the rafters and filling every heart with the joy of Jesus. It is loud and it is joyful beyond measure. Some of the choir singers raise their hands as they "get in the spirit". The congregation begins to clap in time to the music, the sound is now overwhelming.

We rock His House, in celebration of our Salvation through Our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, and His Grace.

How different our churches are, and yet.....

407 posted on 08/22/2003 10:41:34 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore
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To: RaceBannon
"If Jesus is so popular at your church, I would wonder if it is the Jesus of the Bible at all."

Surely you jest.......

408 posted on 08/22/2003 11:56:42 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore
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To: RaceBannon
I've never been to the Texan's church, but after reading the myriad of man's precepts that you've been espousing as Christian doctorine in this thread since post #1, I'm pretty sure that Jesus of the Bible has already given us his viewpoint on men like you in the Gospel according to Mark, chapter 7. When you have a moment please review it and pay particular attention to verses 6 through 9. If you're still confused after reviewing this scripture, here's a hint: you're not any different than those Pharisees.

It's because of people like you that I'm glad the 1st Amendment to our US Constitution was written for people like me.

Hat-Trick

409 posted on 08/22/2003 1:29:05 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Proudly NOT wearing a tie to church this weekend, nor seeking the approval of men)
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To: TexanToTheCore
Not at all. Jesus was never popular. The message of the Cross is an offense and pricks the heart.

If it were only true that the Gospel would attract so many people in Faith, right minded, and in truth.

A Good Sermon should be bringing people to their knees, not their feet.
410 posted on 08/22/2003 2:02:11 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
Um, Jesus was indeed popular among those who loved Him and followed Him. In case you forget, "...the JOY of the Lord is my strength". There is JOY, PEACE, HAPPINESS, and so much more to be found in the house that calls Him Lord. The message of the Cross also uplifts, encourages, gives hope, reconciles as well as pricks and offends.
411 posted on 08/22/2003 4:13:41 PM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: TexanToTheCore; RaceBannon
Ahhhh. You've just described my church as well. Joyful, abundant praise and worship. Race's statement that "a Good Sermon should bring you to your knees", supposes that such a sermon is missing from such a service. I'd bet its not.
412 posted on 08/22/2003 4:31:59 PM PDT by Ol' Sox
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To: RaceBannon
Race, the spiritually discerned will NOT see what you are saying ... they reject what you are saying since they are not on the same page as God. All your doing is repesting what He desires. Apparently this doesn't meet with their royal approval.
413 posted on 08/22/2003 5:24:32 PM PDT by nmh
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To: Ol' Sox
"Race's statement that "a Good Sermon should bring you to your knees", supposes that such a sermon is missing from such a service. I'd bet its not."

We have extraordinary preachers. Absolutely the best sermons I have ever heard. Sometimes they bring us to our feet and other times they leave us real nervous, but the overall approach is to sress the Joy of our Lord.

414 posted on 08/22/2003 9:50:58 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore
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To: RaceBannon
"Not at all. Jesus was never popular."

Are you kidding? Jesus was wildly popular, so much so that he began to make the establishment very nervous. He entered Jerusalem with palm fronds to shield his donkey's feet. Trust me here, they didn't do this for people who were unpopular(say...a used camel salesman). They crucified Him to keep Him from overturning the established order.

"The message of the Cross is an offense and pricks the heart."

I have no idea what you are talking about. The message of the Cross is that He died to wash away my(TTTC)and your (RB) sins which is cause for great joy! If the message of the Cross offends you or pricks your heart maybe your heart needs to change.

"If it were only true that the Gospel would attract so many people in Faith, right minded, and in truth."

The Gospel attracts millions of new converts each year. Maybe not your brand, but they are solid converts. Now stop crying in your church lemonade and get out there and hustle! May I suggest Starbucks? I have found it fertile grounds for evangelizing.

Starbucks....really... no kiddin'...

"A Good Sermon should be bringing people to their knees, not their feet."

I will answer this one tomorrow. It's late and I gotta hit the sack. God bless y'all.

415 posted on 08/22/2003 10:48:18 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore
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To: Quix
I hope you're taking me series.

ha

416 posted on 08/23/2003 12:08:56 AM PDT by bets
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To: TexanToTheCore
Sadly he doesn't.

And why he doesn't is sadly, a major part of a major point.
417 posted on 08/23/2003 12:16:04 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: bets
Maybe far more series-ly than you expected?
418 posted on 08/23/2003 12:18:04 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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