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Carelessness and Casualness in worship
The Middletown Bible Church ^ | 08/19/03 | various authors

Posted on 08/19/2003 7:56:34 PM PDT by RaceBannon

Carelessness and Casualness in Worship

"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself [conduct thyself] in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." (1 Timothy 3:15)

"God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about Him." (Psalm 89:7)

Whatever Happened to our Sunday Best? by Dr. Paul Tassell

The Way We Dress Should Show That We Honor the Lord!

One trend I have noted in local churches in recent years is carelessness. Carelessness in dress. Many people attend the house of God attired the same way they would dress for a rodeo or a football game.

When people are to be guests at the White House for a meeting with the President, they dress up—suits and ties for the men; pretty dresses for the ladies. Appropriate dress indicates appropriate respect. When the President speaks to a joint session of congress, the gallery guests as well as the lawmakers are all dressed in their best.

Does not our Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church, deserve as much consideration and respect as our President? Does not your pastor deserve that much respect for his message?

I grew up in a home with two brothers and three sisters. My job every Saturday night was to polish eight pairs of shoes My parents taught us six children to "dress up in our Sunday best" for the house of God. When my wife and I go to hear our pastor, we dress up. We respect him, and we respect the Lord he represents.

Pastors and their wives should lead the way in setting a proper example of dressing for the occasion. More than once I have been disappointed at a classy restaurant where I was meeting with a group of businessmen and a pastor, only to have the pastor show up open-collared and inappropriately informal while all the businessmen were dressed in three-piece suits and ties. I do not believe the pastor's influence and testimony were enhanced by such a breach of etiquette.

I know the Lord looks on the heart, and clothes don't necessarily make the man, but how we dress when we go to a worship service ought to indicate how much we honor our Lord. We do not have to be fashion models, but we should "dress up" for our Saviour's special day at His special house, the local church. The spirit of what I am saying is captured in the words of Malachi:

A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a Master, where is My fear (reverence)? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests (Malachi 1:6).

"Just as I Am" is an invitation for sinners, not a description of how the saints are to attend a church service. The Prodigal Son came home in rags. As soon as his father accepted him, however, he was dressed in a fine robe; shoes were put on his feet and a ring on his finger. Before Joseph went in to have an audience with Pharaoh, "he shaved himself, and changed his raiment" (Genesis 41:14). So should we look our best when going to the house of God to worship the Lord of the Church.

I am not pleading for barring anyone from a church service because of the way he or she is dressed. But I do think visitors to our services ought to be impressed by how special we believe our church and Lord to be as we "dress up."

Let's not allow our local churches to become sanctuaries of the sloppy and temples of the tacky. Let's respect our Master, minister and message. --Dr. Paul Tassell

* * * * * * * *

God's Holy and Special Person requires reverence on the part of those who know Him and who seek to honor His Name. "God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about Him" (Psalm 89:7). He is the great and awe-inspiring God who demands our worshipful respect, not only in the way we dress, but also in the way we sing.

We dress in a proper and special way on the Lord's Day because it is a special occasion and we are meeting with a special Person, even the God who is to be feared and revered. Because of this special occasion and special Person, we want to sing in a manner that is appropriate and befitting such a worthy and glorious God. It is a time of worship, not entertainment. Applause runs horizontally and relates to man's humanity and not vertically relating to God's deity. It is out of place in the place that is seeking only to point to God and honor Him.

The dressing, the singing, the bending of the heart before God in humble worship—all of this is but the preparation of one's heart attitude for the glad reception of God's Holy Word. The One who is high and holy is looking for those who will tremble at His Word (Isaiah 66:1-2). He is looking for those who will bow before the authority of His Word. "Speak Lord, for Thy servant is listening."

Right dressing encourages right thinking. Right thinking encourages right singing. Right singing readies and tunes the heart for thankful learning. May God's Word dwell in us richly and may God the Master Musician produce His melody in our hearts to His praise (Col. 3:16). "And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD" (Psalm 40:3).

* * * * * *

Casualness in the Way We Sing

by Robert Regal

Music, The Barometer of a Society The church has swallowed the monstrous heresy that noise (music), size, bluster and activity, make a man dearer to God. --A. W. Tozer The article by Dr. Tassell and the above quote of Dr. Tozer should sound an alarm in the midst of the saints who have gone to sleep at the helm of the "Good Ship Grace," and have turned aside from "the faith once delivered to the saints." The Church, the "Body" and "Bride" of Christ, made up of local assemblies around the world has been impacted in our time by the "spirit of the world" (1 Corinthians 2:12). This is foreign to God's ideal which is delineated in the rest of the verse: "...but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."

Many of the saints of our time seem unable to discern "the Spirit of God" from "the spirit of the world." We are commanded not to love the world, nor be enamored by it, and never to be dominated by it. We are not to be "conformed to the world, but transformed by the renewing of the mind," for "...we have the mind of Christ" (Romans 12:2; 1 Corinthians 2:16).

Particular contemporary musical styles have become classic examples of the "spirit of the world" invading the church. Not only have they invaded the assemblies of believers world wide, but they dominate. Try to address it and the assembly splits. Leadership hesitates to address it for fear of creating unnecessary waves, and, "after all, we must get together in our day; we must unite on the main issues and not be overly concerned by doctrine." (I might add, we need to be sure that it is sound doctrine.) First, certain styles of the musical language are tolerated, this is soon followed by domination (down with the traditional, conservative, stylings) which, in turn, leads to compromise.

A consequence of this invasion affects the life style of the believer. Where you find an emphasis on much of contemporary stylings, you will notice a cloak of casualness that moves in among the saints. Thus the timely article of Dr. Tassell. If this situation is addressed the assembly cries out, "legalism!"

The style of music will not only affect the attitude of the saint in the area of clothes, grooming, and personal deportment, but in theology. It fosters a looseness in the spirit of worship, teaching, edification and fellowship. I have observed in many of the churches in which I have visited this "casualness," not only in attire, but in fellowship (conversation, noise), which becomes boisterous to the point that the pastor or man of music, or whoever is in charge, has great difficulty in beginning the service. What makes it worse is that the fellowship (conversation, noise), usually has nothing to do with the purpose of the church meeting together. What has created this mood and encouraged this pre-service situation?

One of the strengths of music and its varied styles are the moods and the emotions it generates. I am not saying that Pop, rock, in all its versions, Western, Country Western, Jazz, Folk, Stamp Baxter, New Age, Contemporary, and such like, are not part of the musical language, for they are an expression that comes out of our age and culture, which culture, in many areas, is caught up in insipid subjectivism and decadence. What I am saying is that these styles and idioms speak of the world and its culture good and bad and are thus disqualified to be the musical vehicle for the saints in worship, fellowship, evangelism, and the Christian life in general. The following are two quotes supporting this position:

The development of form in music itself is an attempt to reach completeness through an artistic media. Music having a definite secular symbolism is poor music for worship. Jazz, etc. is confusing. It is too much like everyday life to be ultimately satisfying. (Emphasis Mine)

--Dr. Bernstein, Professor of Music, New York University

Art and music always reflect a particular view on life and the world. Deeply felt values are expressed through the way the theme and subject matter are handled. Thus, even junk and punk rock say something very definite, very deliberate. What rock is saying in today's culture disqualifies it as a vehicle for spiritual communication.

Reduced to its smallest component parts, music is amoral. There is nothing inherently wrong with 440 hz vibration or a dotted quarter note followed by an eighth note. The same could be said for a letter in the alphabet or a drop of paint or a particle of clay. But as soon as a human being combines any of these building blocks, the creative process has begun and the resulting creation always reflects a view of life.

For this reason, the Christian cannot sanitize rock. Even if we ignored the worldly associations of rock (and we cannot), its musical origins spring from a view of life altogether different from the Christian's. Because Christ must be the focal point of our music, the style must never overshadow Him or draw attention to itself. (Emphasis mine)

--Peck, "Rock, Making Musical Choices"

For too long the church has assumed and taken for granted its musical heritage which is rich in great hymn and gospel composition wedded to magnificent texts both in subjectivity and objectivity, that have passed testing through the channels of time and have emerged in our day arranged and rearranged, added to and extended, imbued with the touch of the art of great musical invention. Excellent music has been and is being written in our day, but one has to sift through and discern its textual and musical values and not be caught up in the argument for style. God gave us the substance of music, man gives us the style. There are 12 tones in our music scale. The arrangement of these tones in melody and harmony, the pulse of the meter that drives it and guides it, the text that gives the composition meaning, all fall into a style that must be thought about.

It should be remembered that two areas are involved in music ministry in and to the assembly, and for that manner, to each other and to ourselves. See Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16 and Hebrews 13:15. Two languages are wedded together and both have a grammar, a syntax, and a rhetoric: Lyrics, or the word text, and composition, the music text. This then is the substance of musical expression, which expression becomes the barometer of a society. If this is true, and it is, then we could say without any provocation, that it is also a barometer of the church and its condition in society, and in its address to today's culture.

The Lord Jesus is a model for every believer. He was in the world but was not of the world: "I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world" (John 17:14). He was sent on a mission to the world, a world which hated Him, and He in turn has sent believers into the world, and in turn, the world will hate them; that is, if they are truly believers and love Him and desire to please Him as He pleased the Father, and realize that they also are on a mission to the world. See John 17:15-21.

The Lord Jesus, in verse 21, requested unity for the future believers (see also verse 11 and verse 22). These verses have been misused and abused by the promoters of the present ecumenical movement.

"Admittedly the divided church is in many ways a scandal. The cure, however, is not institutional union. Jesus was not praying for the unity of a single, worldwide, ecumenical church in which doctrinal heresy would be maintained along with orthodoxy. Instead, He was praying for the unity of love, a unity of obedience to God and His Word, and a united commitment to His will. There are great differences between uniformity, union, and unity." (Emphasis Mine)

The Bible Knowledge Commentary (NT), p. 333

All believers belong to the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13), and the world should know of their spiritual unity by their life style. This life style, whether the church or the world, is expressed through the greatest medium of expression we know, musical expression, the heart of this discussion. Nowhere in the Word of God am I encouraged to adopt the musical language that expresses the world that hates God and the believer, for as Dr. Bernstein wrote...."music having a definite secular symbolism is poor music for worship...it is confusing. It is too much like everyday life to be ultimately satisfying."

"When you take great theology and wed it to grand musicology, it ascends before God in magnificent doxology." Stephen Olford

--Robert Regal From the book: With the Voice of Singing

Additional Thoughts

On Worship

REVERENCE BEFORE THE AWE-INSPIRING GOD

If we are going to know God who is holy, we need to reverence and fear Him. "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction" (Prov. 1:7). Since God truly is such a unique and awesome Person, He ought to have our respect. When we speak of His Name and Fame we ought to have a healthy response that reverences Him because of who He is.

Worship is intimately connected with the reverence and fear of God. Worship means to prostrate oneself before God, to bend down, to bow down, to bend the knee and thus to bend the heart. "O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our Maker" (Psalm 95:6).

We need to read the Bible with an understanding that God has all authority. He has the right to be worshipped and reverenced. The least I can do is hear what He says and respond to what He says in the right way. I may not understand all He says, but at least I will give Him reverence. I will bend my heart and bow before the authority of His Word.

The Bible describes God as a "terrible God." This means that He inspires terror, fear, dread. He is awe-inspiring, demanding our deepest respect because of WHO HE IS and WHAT HE HAS SAID. "For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible [awe-inspiring]" (Deut. 10:17). "If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD" (Deut. 28:58). May He be your fear! May He be your dread! (Isaiah 8:13).

THE MISSING INGREDIENT

Whatever characterizes the religious attitude of our day, it is not reverence and awe. Rarely can one enter a church today, where the hustled silence in the atmosphere makes one conscious of the presence of Him who is a "consuming fire." The head bowed "waiting in silence for God only," the tuning of the heart, the tremulous expectancy have gone out of worship. A babble of voices and a discussion of trivial affairs is not an atmosphere conducive to doing business with the living God.

Here are some suggestions as you prepare for the worship service: 1. Remember that when the organ begins playing the prelude, God's people are to be silent. There is to be a "holy hush" as believers prepare their hearts to meet a holy God. Refrain from talking and chatting with your pew neighbor so that your mind will be centered on the Lord rather than on self and others. 2. The moments may be used for silent prayer—remembering yourself and your own heart attitude, the Pastor, the choir and the other worshippers. 3. The moments may be used for prayerful meditation—you could think upon a verse of Scripture or you could meditate upon what you learned from the Pastor's last message. 4. Remember the words from Psalm 46:10--"BE STILL, and know that I am God: I WILL BE EXALTED among the heathen, I WILL BE EXALTED in the earth."

HOW TO WORSHIP

Be silent. Be thoughtful.

Be reverent, for this is the house of the Lord.

Before the service, speak to God.

During the service, let God speak to you.

After the service, speak to one another.

LEARNING FROM THE ANGELS

"When we consider what glorious beings the angels are, and yet that they are but creatures of, and servants to, the God whom we serve, waiting before His Throne, and humbly attending His commands; this consideration, if we let it sink deeply into our hearts, must needs possess us with most awful apprehensions of the glorious majesty of our God at all times, but especially in our approaches to Him in His worship, and fill us with the greatest reverence and humility. With what reverence should we behave ourselves in our addresses to the Divine Majesty, before whom the Seraphim themselves hide their faces! And if they cover their feet, are conscious to themselves of their natural imperfection, compared to the infinitely glorious God; how should we clods of earth, we vile sinners, blush and be ashamed in His presence, assuming no confidence to ourselves, but what is founded on the mercies of God and the merits of our blessed Redeemer and Advocate, Jesus Christ!"--Bishop Bull (1634-1710)

IMPROVING THE PASTOR'S PREACHING

Sunday the sermon was sluggish, 'twas hard attention to keep.

The theme was faultily chosen, it almost put me to sleep.

Monday was blue with sheer boredom; Tuesday was carnal by choice.

Wednesday my conscience was wakened by pleas from a still small voice.

Prayer Meeting left me uplifted, loyalty lingering long.

Thursday my heart was responding; Friday His nudging was strong.

I came to thorough repentance the following Saturday;

I yielded in full surrender as all on the altar I lay.

Sunday the sermon was perfect, superb and quite at its peak;

Amazing how greatly the Pastor improved in the space of one week!

* * * * * Come with a prayerful attitude and a prepared heart. You will find it to be one of the best ways of improving the Pastor's preaching! There will be more POWER in the pulpit when there is more PRAYERFULNESS and PREPAREDNESS in the pew!

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To: RaceBannon
A huge amount of presumption rides in your words.

Hopefully his Conversion was deep, broad, intense, authentic enough that he did think the sacrifices were well worth it.

To presume that he considered none of the changes sacrifices is at least presumptive if not self-righteous and arrogant.

To presume that Jesus approved of and applauded all the changes is also self-righteous and arrogant.

There had to have been a half dozen at least, better ways to have achieved the same or better authentically Holy Spirit led spiritual goals.

I visited a remote island off Taiwan where a tribal group worships God with a number of neutral tribal distinctives quite in tact. It was beautiful, precious, very anointed, Heavenly.

It so happens this particular tribal group has the custom for the men--with some bowing to modern conventions--to run around loose in literal jock straps. I don't know that they are dressed in that fashion in all their worship or any of their worship sessions. But I could easily imagine God being just as delighted if they were.

The children's group I observed were dressed in different clothing the day I was there--freely being of their culture AND OF THE HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH.
381 posted on 08/21/2003 8:21:58 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: PlutoPlatter
I strongly concur.

RELIGIOUSity was harshly, sternly rebuked by our Lord Jesus.
382 posted on 08/21/2003 8:23:32 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: RaceBannon
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I'm absolutely certain that THE JESUS OF NAZARETH, BETHLEHEM, JERUSALEM--THE ANOINTED ONE; GOD WITH US; GOD'S ONLY BEGOTTEN . . . .

DOES
NOT


COME ANYWHERE CLOSE

to fitting in the tidy little box you have so carefully constructed for him. And a shoehorn won't help, either.
383 posted on 08/21/2003 8:26:46 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: RaceBannon
bump
384 posted on 08/21/2003 8:28:41 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: PlutoPlatter
Michner mangled history . . .

but the missionary efforts in Hawaii were also plagued with a lot of nonsense in the first decades--with seemingly few if any missionaries having any Holy Spirit-led sense about how to go about it in a truly Godly way that also respected God's unique creation in the Hawaiians.
385 posted on 08/21/2003 8:28:47 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: PlutoPlatter
For sure. A great man of faith and prayer and led of The Spirit.

And his grandson carries on a potent missionary as well, last I heard.
386 posted on 08/21/2003 8:30:10 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: RaceBannon
bump for later reading
387 posted on 08/21/2003 8:32:15 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Only a month away from NHL training camps!)
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To: PlutoPlatter
Absolutely.

There have been some spiritual leaders very led of The Lord to go around to different groups and lead anglos to repent to different Native American groups for the sins against them on the part of anglos and anglo Christians. In every case, decades and even centuries of glitch, hurt, grief, demonic oppresion etc. have all been dramatically decreased if not lifted wholesale. Healings and many lasting Conversions have occurred. And the anglos also experienced greater freedom, healing and growth.
388 posted on 08/21/2003 8:32:21 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: Quix
334 - "I don't think it's about not going. It's more troubling to go and feel you're out of place, that you don't fit because of externals..."

...so we all have to dress casual to make people feel comfortable? I don't think that's what you meant, but that's what you said. I think you're trying to be too much of a lawyer for the visitor that comes to the church. In their case, they will feel out of place for many reasons, such as everyone else carries a Bible, and "I don't know the words to the praise songs," etc... We've all been there. But I don't think any of us should feel guilty for putting on a dress or a tie or a sharp polo shirt and kakhi's or a clean shirt and jeans or whatever you might call "dressed up." We can't cover all the bases for what might put someone off -- we can't cater to every possiblity. Maybe we shouldn't carry Bibles, because that scares off the new people? (see the extreme?)

...and actually, some churches bend over too far to reach people, putting off quoting scripture, using secular music, talking about pop psychology instead of Biblical principles, never saying the name "Jesus," holding every known hobby class there is and only having one or two Bible studies, going on group outings to restaurants but never going on a mission trip, etc....You know what I'm talking about. At some point the compromising to attract outsiders has crossed a line. I think it's ok to dress up, but not of course to REQUIRE it.

I think the original discussion was about a heart issue. Casualness to God is the issue, not towards dress, and that's the point I think the author was making.

389 posted on 08/21/2003 8:32:35 PM PDT by bets
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To: PlutoPlatter
LOVE IT.

THANKS.
390 posted on 08/21/2003 8:33:20 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: RaceBannon
Do you REALLY

HAVE

ANY

DOUBT

That the poor widow and the pharisees were

DRESSED DIFFERENTLY???

Who do you think was more smug in their dress?

Who do you think was more humble in their dress?

Who do you think was dressed in their SABBATH BEST????

Who do you think HAD NO Sabbath best?

391 posted on 08/21/2003 8:34:56 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: RaceBannon
Yes, plenty of Scriptures talk about insuring that our

HEARTS

ARE DRESSED IN HUMILITY, CONTRITION, BROKENNESS, DEVOTION, FAITH ETC.

as best as we can facilitate Holy Spirit enabling our hearts to be.

The Scritpures on modesty in dress etc. are not the least bit of a justification for the HOLIER/DRESSIER THAN THOU smug prancing before man--and women--that goes under the rationalization of "WEARING MY BEST FOR GOD."
392 posted on 08/21/2003 8:37:04 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: RaceBannon
RB:
Even in our flesh, we look at others different if they refuse to see that their torn clothes make them look sloppy, especially when they can easily afford to buy new clothes.

QX: God exhorts us in such cases to allow those eating meat as unto God to be blessed in their eating meat wholeheartedly as unto God AND those who abstain from eating meat as unto God to wholeheartedly abstain as unto God.

QX: How can I know all the valid reasons God MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE WEAR TATTERED JEANS ETC. as their destiny, role in HIS KINGDOM. Camel's hair and locusts was not the only time God had a prophet do atypical strange things. And these end time days are going to see plenty more strange things done authentically led of Holy Spirit.

QX: It's Scripturally extremely hazardous to judge so harshly folks who can have a variety--dozens of valid, Biblical reasons to dress humbly and casually. God leads all of us differently in a variety of ways. Clothing being only one of those ways.

RB:
The articles is about people who do have jobs, who do have money, who do have nice clothes, but have decided that God is not worthy of dressing up for in Worship because of some misguided belief that God just isn't worth the effort to look our best for.

QX I think you read more into the article than may have been there. The presumption that casual dressers have decided that God is not worthy of dressing up for is hogwash.

If God instructs someone to wear the best they have for some specific purpose and they deliberately don't--that would be one thing. The average church service is not a pomp and circumstance thing.

The most anointed period in my teen church was when the pastor had all of us come immediately after work on a Wednesday--come as we were--and contribute to a meal cooked at the church for great fellowship and then some short Bible studies etc. God really touched our lives and the unity of His Spirit and His Love was incredible.

Perhaps you've never seen John Wimber's initial videos of his walk into a deeper relationship with God. Incredibly sane, practical, Biblical and anointed. And the casual dress aspect was an important part of that.
393 posted on 08/21/2003 8:45:33 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: RaceBannon
Yes, self-righteous haughtiness, prissy-ness, smugness based on externals etc.

IS

a shocking eye-opener.
394 posted on 08/21/2003 8:46:28 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: bets
I agree that we can never cover all the bases to insure everyone feels comfortable.

In fact, I don't think it's usually very practical to take sinners to church at all. I usually don't invite them. I work to get them through the Salvation experience intro with Jesus and THEN get them in church.

But I've heard enough talk by enough people over the decades about what a turnoff highfalootin dress was on Sunday--that I've changed my thinking and feelings wholesale on it. Can you tell?

And Holy Spirit continues to affirm the preferences of God in such matters--doing all reasonable to do--and sometimes and then some--to woo all possible into The Kingdom.

The other side has NOT dealt with the issue that the dressing up for church came from a haughty, self-righteous, pharisaical motivation in recent times.
395 posted on 08/21/2003 8:52:03 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: RaceBannon
Dear RaceBannon:

God is with us at all times; He sees us at all times.

The reverence in our HEARTS is the issue, not our outer garb. When I attended a baptism last week at a friend's church, I was one of the best dressed people there, so I know what the writer is talking about. I don't disagree with the sentiment expressed in the article, just the focus.

As I indicated before, but perhaps not as succinctly as I intended, the first article is addressing the SYMPTOM, not the PROBLEM. The writer is talented, devoted, and obviously a concerned Christian; I would like to see them use their talent to address the PROBLEM of irreverence in HEARTS, instead; although, after a second review of your response, that appears to have been their main objective.

May God Bless You!

396 posted on 08/21/2003 8:52:15 PM PDT by TheWriterInTexas (Under Seige - MWCF)
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To: Quix
Now that you mention it, I'm all for home churches, and therefore, they'd be more casual in dress -- which is probably closer to the original new church of the NT (and less like the temples of the OT).

These larger community churches can concentrate the ills of man, and the closeness between individuals can disappear. That can't happen in a home church. If 10-50 people get together in a neighborhood, they're more likely to confess their sins one to another, are more open to share personal prayer needs, and are more likely to reach their lost neighbors. Maybe I'm on to something there which would solve our dress-up vanity problem.

397 posted on 08/22/2003 12:52:26 AM PDT by bets
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To: LTCJ
Thank you for the advice. My personsal frustration on this issue went to a roiling boil, I lost my temper. My apologies to RaceBannon in particular, and also to all the folks on this thread.

I really am sincere and convinced of the merit of modern musical styles, and, as time permits, I will frame a rebuttal.

Love conquers all,
Mike

398 posted on 08/22/2003 3:48:45 AM PDT by Churchjack
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To: bets
If your dress or appearance is distracting or unpleasant, then you've distracted your brother or a lost person from the focus, which should be on what you're saying, on Christ and the Gospel. It would be wrong to knowingly try to draw attention to yourself, to your own body, rather than to Christ.

I agree totally. But that IS a heart thing. If you knowingly approach the throne to draw attention to yourself, your heart is in the wrong place. My point is that God truly looks on the heart. He will see that. Humans don't see it, and are making a judgement call.
399 posted on 08/22/2003 6:37:13 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb
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To: bets
I strongly agree.

I think it's wonderful to have monthly great worship meetings. And I don't think dressing up should be expected for them.

But I believe strongly that the foundation of The Church Universal should be neighborhood home groups.

Making that a healthy reality is a whole 'nother issue.

HUGH SERIES TOPIC!
400 posted on 08/22/2003 7:39:53 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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