European DNA Found In 7-8,000 Year Old Skeleton In Florida (Windover)

TLC ^ | 8-14-2003 | blam

[blam]

Earlier I posted an article titled Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida.

I just turned on The Learning Channel and caught about ten minutes of the ending of a program titled, 'Secrets Of The Bog People: Windover', it is about this 'Windover' site in Florida. A doctor Gregory from Cornell said that preliminary DNA samples taken from the brains of some of the people indicate they are European. They also showed a reconstructed face of one of the skulls.

I checked my TLC schedule and it indicates that another showing will be at 11:00PM CST tonight.

This is revolutionary...American prehistory is about to be re-written, IMO. I encourage all to watch the program

[LPM1888]

Would you please add me to your Ping list? Thank you in advance.

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[LPM1888]

Of all things, I read a study on ear wax...seems Europeans and Africans have a sticky wax and Asians have a flaky wax. Further...The Indians in the west (US) have predominately the flaky variety while the Indians in the east have the sticky kind. Who knows...

LOL! I'm part Indian with blood from more than one Tribe. Some days my ear wax is sticky and some days its flaky. That must be what they mean by half-breed!

[blam]

I asked my MD if he had noticed any difference in different people's ear wax, he laughed, said no.

[LPM1888]

I suspect it has more to do with humidity, hydration levels, and the pizza eaten for supper than anything else.

[rightofrush]

Thanks for the ping. Ever pick up a copy of Ancient Americans?

[Graybeard58]

"I completely dismiss Mormon ideas because they have some odd idea about regular sized horses being in the AMERICAS before the Spanish arrived".


...That isn't even the oddist of their ideas.(Not even a close second)

[blam]

"Thanks for the ping. Ever pick up a copy of Ancient Americans?"

Yup. I'm a subscriber. Just got my latest copy yesterday. There's something really peculiar about the 'mound building' folks...who-ever they were.

[blam]

See post #58. I remember that you said you had done some work involving the Carolina Bays and that they were natural bogs and not related to a meteorite and such. Why are they all oblong and seem to be oriented in the same direction? If they are naturally occuring bogs, I would expect their orientation to be random. They look as if something 'splattered' across the landscape.

[Renfield]

This is simple to answer. They are all pointing toward the coastline...i.e., downhill. Remember, most of these formed when the sea level was higher...imagine the coastline of the southeastern U.S., with Florida and lower coastal areas of the Carolinas and Georgia just lopped off. The coasline then was a gentle curve (with good topo or geologic maps, you can follow the old scarps which represented sea level stands at different eras). These bays are oriented toward the old coastlines.

I read an interesting paper several years ago about some reseach that had been done in Hellhole Bay, just inland from Charleston, SC. The geologists took a drill rig and ran deep-boring transects from the upland, across the bay, and back up the upland on the other side. The borings revealed that, during a previous low-water stand during the late Pliocene, the area under Hellhole Bay had been a river. During high-water stands (sea advancements) of the Pleistocene, the area had infilled with a new fluviomarine terrace. So they repeated the experiment on some other bays in the region, and found the same result. Now, you may not know this, but these infilled paleochannels act as conduits for groundwater flow to the ocean. The coastal plain is chock-full of these infilled paleochannels. Since they act as conduits for groundwater flow, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that they provide opportunities for surficial groundwater discharge.

Indeed, if you look at good aerial photographs of the coastal plain (especially in the drainages of the Cape Fear or Pee Dee rivers), you will see that Carolina bays are not only oriented individually "downhill" (toward the coastline), but these bays form lines toward the coast. The largest bays tend to be at the foot of old marine scarps; then there are progressively smaller bays stretching coastward, in lines, from the larger bays, across the toe of the scarp and down along the old tread of the fluviomarine terrace. Then, when the next scarp is reached, there is an interruption in the presence of bays along the shoulder and backslope of the scarp, but the pattern repeats along the toe and tread. It's really quite striking when you realize the pattern.

By the way, some people have been fooled by the presence of bay rims, into assuming that the bays were formed by impacts of meteorites or comets. I recently read a paper which conclusively disproved that. The researchers used palynological evidence (Palynology being the study of ancient pollen, and other microfossils) to determine the ages of bay rims and the bays they encircled. It turns out that the bays are contemporaneous with the surrounding geomorphic surface (meaning that the bays formed at the time the sea withdrew from the area), whereas, the bay rims all dated from the Pleistocene-Holocene boundary (about 14000-13000 years ago). Now, bays are found on marine treads that date from the Cretaceous-Paleocene boundary (65 million years ago) to the upper Pleistocene (on some surfaces as young as 45,000 years ago, if I remember South Carolina geology correctly). But all the rims are of the same age. It should be pretty easy for you to figure out why; if you can't, let me know and I'll explain it.

[blam]

"This is simple to answer. They are all pointing toward the coastline...i.e., downhill. "

Okay, good answer, I understand.

I was in the Charleston area in the early 60's and while walking along a marshy area of the bay, I found a two inch long, black shark tooth. I was told that they are common and are about 50 million years old.

[Renfield]

If you were near Charleston, those shark's teeth would be less than 2 million years old. You'd have to go up near Columbia to find anything in the 50-million year range.

[edwin hubble]

So, do you know how this site compares to the (older?) Cactus Hill site farther north?

Of course there is no DNA from Cactus Hill.
The bog's unique chemical environment preserves organic material.

[blam]

"So, do you know how this site compares to the (older?) Cactus Hill site farther north? "

Yup, no bodies, no skeletons or bones, only 'tools' and Cactus Hill and Topper are probably 10,000 years older. Both the Topper Site and Cactus Hill exhibit tool technology that is similar to Iberia of the same period.

[blam]

Over here. This one got by the culture police.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"They found 169 people and 90 had their brains still intact."

That fact alone should have alerted them that they could not have been Europeans.

[blam]

The Evidence is mounting.

Immigrants From The Other Side (Clovis Is Solutrean?)

[Sam Cree]

I also am wondering who they used as a model for the Inidan head nickel. To tell you the truth, it looks like Red Foxx.

[blam]

[FITZ]

Wouldn't this evidence correlate also with the "lost continent of Atlantis"? Maybe there was once a large inhabited island in the Atlantic Ocean which would have made travel quite a bit easier than we think it would have been.

[blam]

Read the article in post #96.