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The Marriage Strike - Why are men reluctant to marry?
Radiofree West Hartford ^ | August 13, 2003 | Wendy McElroy

Posted on 08/13/2003 9:40:36 AM PDT by ddodd3329

Why do fewer people marry?

According to a 1999 National Vital Statistics Report from the CDC, 7.4 per 1,000 Americans married in 1998. From 1990 to 1995, the marriage rate dropped from 9.8 to 7.6. Different sources render other statistics but the trend remains sharply downward.

There is never a single or comprehensive explanation for complex phenomena that are rooted deeply in human psychology. Non-marriage is a particularly difficult issue to address because, as a recent paper from Rutgers University entitled "Why Men Won't Commit" explains, official sources are scarce. "The federal government issues thousands of reports on nearly every dimension of American life. ... But it provides no annual index or report on the state of marriage." Much of the discussion of the motives surrounding non-marriage must be anecdotal, therefore, relying on statistics to provide framework and perspective.

In examining reasons for the current decline of marriage, one question usually receives short shrift. Why are men reluctant to marry?

The Rutgers report -- admittedly based on a small sample -- found ten prevalent reasons. The first three:

They can get sex without marriage;

They can enjoy "a wife" through cohabitation; and,

They want to avoid divorce and its financial risks.

As a critic of anti-male bias in the family courts, the reasons I hear most frequently from non-marrying men are fear of financial devastation in divorce and of losing meaningful contact with children afterward. (Such feedback is anecdotal evidence but, when you hear the same response over a period of years from several hundred different sources, it becomes prudent to listen.)

In a similar vein, the Rutgers report finds: "Many men also fear the financial consequences of divorce. They say that their financial assets are better protected if they cohabit rather than marry. They fear that an ex-wife will 'take you for all you've got' and that 'men have more to lose financially than women' from a divorce."

Increasingly, men are stating their reasons for not marrying on the Internet. In an article entitled "The Marriage Strike," Matthew Weeks expresses a sentiment common to such sites, "If we accept the old feminist argument that marriage is slavery for women, then it is undeniable that -- given the current state of the nation's family courts -- divorce is slavery for men."

Weeks provides the math. One in two marriages will fail with the wife being twice as likely to initiate the proceedings on grounds of "general discontent" -- the minimum requirement of no-fault divorce. The odds of the woman receiving custody of children are overwhelming, with many fathers effectively being denied visitation. The wife usually keeps the "family" assets and, perhaps, receives alimony as well as child support. Many men confront continuing poverty to pay for the former marriage.

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To: Feldkurat_Katz
Is it possible to get a religious marriage that wouldn't automatically be recognized as a civil one?

That's EXACTLY what happened to me. I got married with the ceremony and all but the preacher lost the certificate and never filed it with the state.

301 posted on 08/13/2003 4:02:29 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Syncro
What is a "MAC-attack phase"?
302 posted on 08/13/2003 4:06:06 PM PDT by Catalonia
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To: RightWhale
i'm not seeing your 10X or 100X increase in the number of men staying unmarried.

The marriage rate fell from 9.8% to 7.6%. That is only a 20% drop. I don't know the exact number but the drop in the percentage of the population that is between 18 and 30 was quite substantial.

I'm still thinking that most of this statistic is demographics. In any event, the article is stupid. To throw this statistic out as if it were indicative of important trends in male attitudes on marriage and to ignore the obvious hole in the meaning of the statistic suggests that the author is either ignorant or, more likely, trying to make a point with a statistic that he knows will sound better than it really is.

303 posted on 08/13/2003 4:16:28 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: tortoise
This is just tooooo analytical for me - I think it's much simpler than that!
304 posted on 08/13/2003 4:19:24 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - "The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth")
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To: riri
Just curious, around what year would the "cut off" date be?

Well, after the last child your wife wants is born, she starts giving little clues that sex isn't numero uno on the list anymore. Little things like, "I have to be back downstairs in fifteen minutes," using the remote control during sex, and questions like, "are you almost done?" tend to make guys a little less enthusiastic. After age forty, guys equipment gets a little less reliable, and the second time you hear, "I don't have time for this", your hard-on is pretty soft-boiled.

305 posted on 08/13/2003 4:25:05 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: CyberAnt
This is just tooooo analytical for me - I think it's much simpler than that!

It is simpler. In a nutshell, the only way you can change outcomes of human behavior is by changing the environment that it occurs in. Outcomes aren't arbitrary though, and they can't be dictated.

People don't change their behavior in a vacuum, they react to their environment. Women demanding that men marry them in the current environment means that men won't enter any kind of committed relationship, not that they'll just give in and get married in a grossly pathological environment. Given these two options, women choose the committed relationship in the absence of marriage. If you want to change the choices, you have to change the environment they are made in.

306 posted on 08/13/2003 4:32:52 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Tragically Single
Even when we do everything right, we lose.

Sad but true in many cases.

I had a bad marriage but out of it came 3 grate kids.

I don't and won't go into details of my personal life on public forums.

But even though my daughter was brought up by her Mother for 14 years 600 miles away from me, my two sons stayed with me and I drove many times a year to see my baby girl.

When she turned 18, that day she moved to where I was.

Now all of my children (hay good name for a soap opera dontcha think? LOL) live within a few miles and I have three fantastic grandchildren, two of whom are with me right now for the afternoon.

I had two of the kids, and paid child support to my ex for my daughter and I DIDN'T MIND cause she was my daughter and I wanted to help instead of fighting to have my ex-wife pay support to me...which I could have done.

Although I have been told by one who has no clue about my family that my kids and grandkids don't think I am a good man, we have one of the closest loving families that I know of. (I guess it helps that when 2 of them were on their death-beds {both pulled through thank God} I literally lived at the hospital so I could be at thier sides day and nite)

Now recently they have repaid me with same love.

307 posted on 08/13/2003 4:36:07 PM PDT by Syncro (Family: #1 If it isn't to you, look hard and deep in the mirrior of your soul...you know who you are)
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To: Catalonia
LOL sorry...it was in my tag line... I put it back just for you.

Middle Age Crazy

308 posted on 08/13/2003 4:37:58 PM PDT by Syncro (MAC attack=Middle Age Crazy (cop out)
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To: tortoise
Indeed you are. My ex-wife was so-called "Christian" woman who took marriage seriously.
309 posted on 08/13/2003 4:44:15 PM PDT by applemac_g4
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To: montag813
And girls consider it their duty to orally service as many guys as ask, with no strings of course.

Those kind of girls have about a s much sex appeal as a wet cow pie. Would you marry one ?

310 posted on 08/13/2003 4:45:30 PM PDT by SSN558 (Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremacists)
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To: snowstorm12
I really don't want to be controlled by a husband for many years and end up with nothing in the end, raise his kids for him and give up a lot and then get dumped or risk being killed for my bank account.... I want total control of my life.... if the relationship goes bad or gets chaotic I have total control of my children.

Prediction: You will become one of those thirty/fortysomething harpies that grow ever more desperate and complaining about men (you're already quite precocious in that department). Of all your worries, I would suggest you put being whacked for your bank account aside for now... first you would have to find a male that can see past your attitude to mate with you.

You are a perfect illustration of what Fred Reed calls "The Chip." You can look it up.

And if you have children, God help them. Because you won't, much. They'll be just more messed-up, bitter, divorce- or abandonment-kids who hate the opposite sex. Just like mom.

sorry about that....

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

311 posted on 08/13/2003 4:50:01 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: mattdono
people love hammering the scriptures, how's this one for ignored:

1 Cor 7:2-5
2 But because of immoralities, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again lest Satan tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

(ps. if one isn't between #1 and #2 somewhere, I'm sorry)

312 posted on 08/13/2003 4:51:34 PM PDT by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: ModelBreaker
Heard this on a talk radio show sometime in the past day. In 1960 or so there were maybe 20,000 unmarried couples living together in one city, sorry, I don't know which city, they're probably all similar. Now there are about 400,000 unmarried couples living together. Kind of vague, but I know marriages are becoming less common and there are lots of couples. Seems like we're in a trend toward eventual elimination of marriage. Marriage would be a stabilizing factor in a community, but it wouldn't appear that stability in a community is so important anymore. I'll let somebody else gather numbers and make charts if they think it's useful to do so.
313 posted on 08/13/2003 4:55:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Richard Kimball
You are kidding, right?
314 posted on 08/13/2003 5:08:38 PM PDT by riri
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To: SSN558
And girls consider it their duty to orally service as many guys as ask, with no strings of course.

Those kind of girls have about a s much sex appeal as a wet cow pie. Would you marry one ?

No way. My point exactly. Why should any man marry when so many women act as (free) whores? Most friends I know are only serious with women from other countries, or from Asian or Indian descent. There are so few young American women these days who have any values left at all. From worshipping abortion, to laughing at religion, to being tattooed, Monica-like whores, they are a huge turnoff for most men of values.

315 posted on 08/13/2003 5:24:43 PM PDT by montag813
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To: ken5050
Divorce hurts everyone, the kids especially.
316 posted on 08/13/2003 5:33:43 PM PDT by sine_nomine (Join the Episcopals and I will make thee a fisher of boys.)
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To: FreedomAvatar
I will have to look at this.
318 posted on 08/13/2003 5:56:50 PM PDT by sauropod (Graduate: Burt Gummer's Survival School)
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To: FourPeas
Not this time dearie.
319 posted on 08/13/2003 5:57:27 PM PDT by sauropod (Graduate: Burt Gummer's Survival School)
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To: jjm2111
The only exception might be to a Christian woman who takes marriage seriously.

Beware. I was involved with such a woman and seriously wanted to marry her. Fortunately I found out (BEFORE we went to the altar) that her heart was so full of Love for God that there was not the slightest bit of room in it for a mortal man.

After I dumped her she married a very Christian man. He divorced her after a couple of years. And got custody of their child. In California no less.

320 posted on 08/13/2003 6:07:14 PM PDT by LibKill (The sacred word, TANSTAAFL.)
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