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To: snowstorm12
I really don't want to be controlled by a husband for many years and end up with nothing in the end, raise his kids for him and give up a lot and then get dumped or risk being killed for my bank account.... I want total control of my life.... if the relationship goes bad or gets chaotic I have total control of my children.

Prediction: You will become one of those thirty/fortysomething harpies that grow ever more desperate and complaining about men (you're already quite precocious in that department). Of all your worries, I would suggest you put being whacked for your bank account aside for now... first you would have to find a male that can see past your attitude to mate with you.

You are a perfect illustration of what Fred Reed calls "The Chip." You can look it up.

And if you have children, God help them. Because you won't, much. They'll be just more messed-up, bitter, divorce- or abandonment-kids who hate the opposite sex. Just like mom.

sorry about that....

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

311 posted on 08/13/2003 4:50:01 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Dude what have you been smoking? I was agreeing with the author of the article that it's true that marriage is risky and not worth it these days. I will look out for my best interests in life just like American men and take advantage of others and opportunities wherever I can. It's the American way.

Thanks for the link to Fred Reed's article because his article was a joke. I had a good laugh. He is a bitter old man who has the biggest CHIP on his shoulder. He wouldn't be able to get laid if his life depended on it. It's sad and pathetic he has to go all the way to Asia to find any woman who even wants to spend time with him and he still hasn't been successful in trying to convince even one of these millions of Asian women to marry him. I wonder how much longer it will take since these all of these Asian ladies are just dying to get married. He knows these ladies are just looking to find some stupid sap of an american male for a free ticket to american citizenship and money then trade him in for a new model. ROFL. I guess he is too stupid to realize the irony of his bitter scathing American women whine-a-thon article.

Your lame prediction couldn't be futher from the truth. ROFL and your predition of how horrible my children will turn out is a joke as well. Desperate isn't my reality. There is never a shortage of men wanting female companionship anywhere that I've seen. I love men and what they can do for me and what I can get out of it. You're simply wrong, I love men.
338 posted on 08/13/2003 7:55:39 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: Criminal Number 18F
You are a perfect illustration of what Fred Reed calls "The Chip." You can look it up.

I had to look it up... Found it here: http://www.fredoneverything.net/Reimer.shtml

Marriage, Horror, And Susan Reimer
Take Horror. It's A Better Bet.

July 14, 2003

Were I to offer thoughts on marriage to young American men today, in these the declining years of a once-great civilization, my advice would be as follows: Don't do it. Or, if you do, do it in another country. In America marriage is a grievous error.

And why so? Because of The Chip. The Attitude. The bandsaw whine of anger, anger, anger that makes American women an international horror. It's there. It's real.

You, a young man, may not recognize the Chip if you have never seen normal, warm, happy women. If you are twenty-something and haven't been out of the US, you haven't seen them. They exist by the billion--in Latin America, Singapore, Taiwan, Malaya, China and, last I looked, France and Holland. And of course not every woman in America carries the Chip. None of them think they do. Yet it is the default, the usual, what comes out of the box.

The following is a perfectly ordinary, everyday, bulk-lot example, suitable for poisoning a cistern:

"Other than a 29-inch waist and a full head of hair, there isn't much to recommend the twentysomething male…He is living an extended adolescence -- an adult-olescence -- and every immature, irresponsible, self-absorbed thing he does is reinforced by the latest issue of his favorite men's magazine." (Susan Reimer, a columnist for the Baltimore Sun. I bet she goes out a lot.)*

Hers is the Attitude--and what they think of you. It is the defining trait of American women. Exceptions exist, and they have my apologies, but they are few and no, sport, your Sally probably isn't one of them. They're coiled to bite. As soon as problems arise in the marriage, they turn into Susan.

Susan Reimer is what is out there, guys: bitter that no one wants her (as who in his right mind could?), sure that no one is good enough for her, never having grasped that those who would be loved must first be lovable. Understand this: Susan is America. Some hide it better, springing it on you after the ceremony, but Susan is the rule.

The Susans do not like men. Sometimes they actually take courses in disliking men ("Women's Studies"). Yet they want to marry one and have babies. For them, the contradiction actually makes a kind of sense, because (and they know this, believe me) they will get the house, the children, and the child support. For you, it makes no sense. You will get raped in the divorce courts. You don't know how bad it is. Don't do it.

A prime effect of marriage is backbreaking financial overhead: the excessive house in the prestigious suburb, the pricey but boring cars, all that. But if you don't fall into the trap, keeping your expenses down means you can live in Alaska or overseas and enjoy existence. There is more to life than debt service. Although these are bad times for marrying, they are extraordinarily good times for being single.

Now, children. This is sticky. You may want them, or think you want them, or think you may want them. She wants them. My advice is to move to almost any country where English isn't spoken and women don't want their husbands to be the mothers of their children. Any country inhabited by the Chinese would do nicely.

Incidentally, remember that it is never now or never. Your prospects improve with time. At thirty-five or fifty you will be perfectly able to find a good woman if you know where to look. See above list.

Remember also that these are not good times for having children in America. It is almost irresponsible. The schools are scholastically poor, drug-ridden, given chiefly to political indoctrination, and hostile to male children. The universities are little better. Divorce is hell on children and their fathers, and nearly universal. The country lunges to police-statedom and isn't, I suspect, as stable as it might be. Worse, worst, there is Susan Reimer. Her name is legion, and she seeps everywhere, like the effluvium of unwashed socks.

Further, there is no social duty to have children. Some argue that the white population is in decline. Tough. If the country chooses to make having kids undesirable, then let it decline. It is not your problem.

Now, you might well wonder, why are American women carrying the Chip? Practically, it doesn't matter: They do carry it, and will continue. Still, it is partly because from birth they are fed the notion that they have been oppressed, battered, cheated, deprived, harassed, used as sex objects, not used as sex objects, on and on. Being rational, you are perhaps inclined to point out that never has a female population been less any of these things, but don't bother. It will have no effect. The Chip is an emotional artifact to which they respond emotionally.

The bedrock of The Attitude is that everything is the man's fault. Wonders Reimer, "What is the answer, especially if the 20- and 30-year-old male is such poor marriage material?" She does not wonder, "If I am such a grindingly awful termagant that men on three continents are crossing their legs and feeling queasy over my mere column, and won't come near me except in a Kevlar bathysphere with a disinfectant system, maybe I'm doing something wrong. Gosh. I wonder what?"

Yet something more is going on, though one does not easily see just what. Note that in recent decades we have seen the invention by women of bulimia and anorexia, which no one had heard of in 1965. Men made them do it. At roughly the same time women began getting breast implants, which men also made them do, and then suing about it. In the same period they began having induced memories of being raped or satanically abused by their fathers. Men again. The psychotherapy racket grew like kudzu, a sure sign of deep unhappiness over something.

All of this is recent. You have to be fifty to remember women who were resilient, sane, psychically strong and, within the limits of an often sorry existence, content. But whatever the answer, guys, the problem isn't yours.

Spend a year overseas, however you have to do it. For smart, classy, just plain glorious women who often speak English, try Singapore. Argentina is splendid. Many places are. You would be amazed. See what's out there before you marry a gringa with her Inner Susan, who will one day burst from her chest like one of those beaked space-aliens in the movies, dripping venom. They're death.

* Orlando Sentinel, July 1

357 posted on 08/13/2003 11:58:32 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Hear! Hear!

The first thing I look for when I'm introduced to a young lady is an attitude (my friends keep trying to set me up with their friends--you'd think they'd know me well enough by now that a risk taker *I am not*). If she sounds bitter, paranoid, or just "bit**y", it's bye-bye. I remain polite, but walk away once the conversation's over and never return. I'm 33 and still single, but suffice to say I trust my instincts. If a red flag goes up, I walk away.
441 posted on 08/15/2003 9:16:47 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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