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A Few of FR's Finest....Every Day....08-12-03...Cheap Chinese Goods are too Expensive
Billie; FreeTheHostages | FreeTheHostages

Posted on 08/12/2003 5:34:53 AM PDT by Billie



A Few of FR's Finest....Every Day
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by FreeTheHostages
Design by Billie


HighRoadToChina has been maintaining a very good Communist China ping list here at Free Republic since July 2002. He is a soft-spoken, deliberate, and thoughtful person. He has hard-won insight into this Communist dictatorship, having been born in Shanghai. He's attended several Free Iraq Freeps, mostly on the West Coast where he lives, but also once attended one of DC Freeps! At a San Francisco Freep, he was there, one of 65 pro-US people facing a throng of 65,000 anti-war protestors. So he does more than just maintain a ping list: he puts his money where his mouth is.

HighRoadToChina's Freeper name comes from a great movie starring Tom Selleck. Like Tom Selleck in the movie, HighRoadToChina is a classy guy and he knows stuff. So let's walk a ways with him.
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Do you really know what you think about China?

Here's a little test for you:

  • Is it capitalism when a Communist government lets an American business in and that American company knows it doesn't have to play by free enterprise rules and it has to let the Communists get a big slice of the pie?

  • Is it capitalism when money gets funneled back to the very small, very powerful, and very rich Communists and the Chinese government insists that 50% of every foreign business be owned by the Chinese?

  • Is it capitalism when the Communist Chinese favor the first-arrived American business to keep the company under its control, knowing that it won't speak up and complain about human rights and lose its gravy train, a share of the cheap labor profits?


How'd you do on the test?
HighRoadToChina is grading this test and he's here to tell you that you didn't do very well if you lent an ear to easy solutions to what ails China: the Chinese Communist government.

How long have we heard pie-in-the-sky stories about the 1.2 billion consumer class and how capitalism is going to bring democracy to China? It's not happening. Nixon went to China over 30 years ago. And still it's very much a communist country: 80 percent rural, very poor, with women treated as second-class citizens, a nuclear power founded on a slave economy that literally works young women to death. Sure, in Shanghai and Beijing you can see "progress," many skyscrapers. But you could have seen economic progress in Nazi Germany in the late 1930s too. That was not capitalism either.

Why buy goods from an organized criminal communist society that enslaves its own people, terrorizes neighboring countries, and has long-range plans to rule Asia if not the world? We have to all get educated, the way the good people of Taiwan are educated:
Taiwan represents an example and a spiritual force for the people on the mainland who are suffering. The Taiwanese are Chinese, they're free, they've elected the first democratically-elected president in 5000 years of Chinese history. Just as America is the hope for the world, Taiwan is the hope for the Chinese people.
Let's be the hope for freedom-loving Chinese people.




Why Maintain a China ping list?
Why the ping list? Because HighRoadToChina cares deeply and, well, 'cause frankly a lot of us Americans aren't doing very well on that test!
What I read about China today is very alarming. I feel that people in America don't really comprehend what's going on there. To me, it's like what happened in Pearl Harbor, but this time we could be faced with nuclear weapons.
HighRoadToChina makes a riveting historical comparison:

He notes that in the late 1930s Americans *got it* -- even before we joined World War II, we understood that the Nazi war machine wanted to make slaves of the countries it conquered. Why do we think that when the Chinese Communists undertake the same plan of genocide and slave labor and state control that it's nascent capitalism? If Americans knew not to buy German goods in the late 30's, why don't we stop buying "Made in China" at Walmart today?

Freedom in China: are you buying it? Americans stopped the Germans and Japanese in World War II at great costs. HighRoadToChina would have us safeguard our freedoms now: stop buying cheap, slave labor goods from Communist China.

Just to seal the deal, here's a hopefully memorable photograph of HighRoadToChina with his lovely wife to think of next time you are tempted to buy something with a "Made in China " label!





What did Tibet and pre-war Iraq have in common?
Next time someone tells you that trade with China is leading to great progress, have them consider the facts:
  • More than a million Tibetans have been killed under the Chinese occupation as a result of torture, starvation, and execution, according to the Tibetan Government in Exile.

  • More than 6,000 monasteries and their contents, irreplaceable jewels of Tibetan culture, have been destroyed.

  • Tibetans are routinely imprisoned and tortured for non-violently expressing their views. Freedom of religion is severely curtailed.

  • Nuns are brutally raped in Chinese prisons.

  • Population control is routinely practiced on Tibetan women even though there is absolutely no Tibetan population problem.

  • China is encouraging the large-scale settlement of Chinese people into Tibet which is overwhelming the Tibetan population in many areas.
China's trying to finish off Tibet right in front of the world community. We should be ashamed for allowing them to do this. Never again. And that's why HighRoadToChina got active on the Free Iraq rallies to support President Bush's war against Saddam Hussein: it's all about freedom.




HighRoadToChina with a famous radio personality,
Melanie Morgan, at a Free Iraq rally.

You should hear the truth, pride and humanity in his voice as he expresses his delight that the Iraqi people – and he has friends who are Iraqis and he knows their horror stories – earned some measure of freedom. And then he adds with a bit of sadness that Iraq is like Tibet was in 1950. Back then, the Tibetans were crying to the world for help. Nobody came to their help. Over one-fourth of the Tibetan population have since been killed by the Communist Chinese.

Wow, I pretty much shuddered when he uttered that thought. Tibet was so preventable. There are millions of people in China now, yearning for the freedom of Taiwan's way of life. Those cheap goods come at too dear a price. Thanks very much for the reminder and helping us take the high road, HighRoad.
Here's to a great pinglist-keeper, a brave activist, and a very thoughtful advocate for freedom: HighRoadToChina.







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To: Billie; FreeTheHostages
Beautiful and informative! : )

Afternoon, BillieBlue. : )

Afternoon, Free. : )

81 posted on 08/12/2003 11:01:22 AM PDT by ST.LOUIE1
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To: HighRoadToChina
Like Tom Selleck in the movie, HighRoadToChina is a classy guy....

You are that, Sir. Congratulations to another 'Finest'. : )

82 posted on 08/12/2003 11:05:05 AM PDT by ST.LOUIE1
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To: Billie; HighRoadToChina; Mama_Bear; dansangel; dutchess; Aquamarine; SpookBrat; nicmarlo; LadyX; ...
Howdy, all ! Sorry I'm late. I do have a good excuse though! hehe !

Hello, HighRoadToChina ! (Or, as my Chinese wife and sister-in-law say, Nee-how ! - spelled pho·net·i·cal·ly) ...


83 posted on 08/12/2003 11:16:28 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: Calpernia
Hi, Cal! Hope your pc woes are over. : )
84 posted on 08/12/2003 11:30:15 AM PDT by ST.LOUIE1
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To: lonestar
Weinie for Govenor of California!

Weinie speaks better english than Ahnold. LOL

85 posted on 08/12/2003 11:47:40 AM PDT by ST.LOUIE1
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To: Billie
Thanks for the ping Billie.
Good day HighRoadToChina
and thanks for the good work that you do.
86 posted on 08/12/2003 12:00:31 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Billie; All
Good afternoon!

Still very hot here. A lot of sweating even when you do nothing.
87 posted on 08/12/2003 12:26:10 PM PDT by knighthawk (We all want to touch a rainbow, but singers and songs will never change it alone. We are calling you)
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To: ST.LOUIE1
Good afternoon! Whew, busy day here.
88 posted on 08/12/2003 1:11:07 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: dutchess
yes, the Polish people understand communism well

what a row they've had to hoe in the 20th century
89 posted on 08/12/2003 1:12:39 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: jwfiv
{{jwfiv}} Isn't HighRoad cool? Beautiful Panda picture.

It's harder to find pictures of Chinese sweatshops online: they don't like photos of those taken, I bet.
90 posted on 08/12/2003 1:13:37 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Mama_Bear; Calpernia; ST.LOUIE1
I want to welcome you to team "Run Weinie Run." We will win!

My only promise is a chicken with rice in every pot! In Southern CA, it comes with tacos.

That's the ticket!

Weinie

91 posted on 08/12/2003 1:21:03 PM PDT by lonestar (Weinie for California Governor!)
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To: lonestar
My only promise is a chicken with rice in every pot! In Southern CA, it comes with tacos. That's the ticket!

LOL!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;-)

92 posted on 08/12/2003 1:48:36 PM PDT by Mama_Bear
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To: FreeTheHostages; Billie
Thank you Billie and FreeTheHostages! You ladies did a wonderful job, if I may say so myself! Thank you!

Just today I got a very interesting email on where the infamous "One-Child" policy came from with which Communist China uses to murder millions of babies in the name of Communism and human progress.

This is a rather long post, so bear with me. First what I have wrote on this grusome subject (take from a speech that I gave on 12-7-02 that can be found at http://www.kusumi.com/chinasupport.net/topbuzz13.htm). Then the very interesting email that I got today on where this policy came from.

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FORCED ABORTIONS

In America today, there is a war going on between those who are for abortion and those for who are against it. Whether you are pro-choice or pro-life, let us consider the situation in Communist China today.

In Red China, the so-called government has a policy called the “One-Child Policy.” Basically, what this policy says is that families may only have one child. In the rural parts, they may have more than one child under certain circumstances.

Well, you ask what happens if one has more than one child or how do they enforce such a draconian policy? Through forced abortion and other hideous tactics such as forced sterilization.

[Read “Court Refuses Asylum for Chinese Couple Claiming Abortion Threats” from The Associated Press, December 6, 2002]

…Li and Yu, an unmarried couple, fled China in 1998 after officials gave Li a forced pregnancy exam. At the exam, she was held down while a doctor examined her “private parts,” Li, then 19, said according to court records.

As she yelled, kicked and demanded they release her, she was told she would receive similar tests in the future, and if found pregnant, would be subject to an abortion, Li said. Her boyfriend, Yu, then 21, could also be sterilized, she said the officials told her.

“I was so scared. I was yelling. I was making noises,” Li said, according to court documents, adding that officials threatened her, “For the rest of your life you cannot have child.”

Her exam came after the two were observed spending time together until early hours of the morning, and a man in their village told Li her relationship with Yu was “shameful,” she said. Li told him to stop interfering, and that she planned to have many babies with her boyfriend.

After the exam, the couple went to the village's family planning department and applied for a marriage certificate, but were told they did not meet the minimum marriage age requirements -- 20 for females, 22 for males.

Li and Yu decided to marry anyway, but a few months later heard there was an order for their arrest. They fled to San Francisco, where they claimed they were United States citizens. They later admitted they were citizens of China.

The Immigration and Naturalization Service sought to send them back to China, but Li and Yu applied for asylum. Karr [Li’s lawyer] said Li was persecuted because she resisted a “coercive population control program” by the Chinese government….

[Read “Chinese Woman Refusing Sterilization Beaten to Death” from AFP, May 19, 2001]

A 34-year-old woman in southeast China's Fujian province was beaten to death by birth-control officials who wanted to sterilize her against her will, her relatives said on Saturday.

Sun Zhonghua, from a farming family in Xiapu county near the provincial capital of Fuzhou, was taken away by birth-control officials from her home by daybreak on Wednesday, a relative told AFP by telephone.

The officials told Sun, the mother of two boys aged 12 and 13, that she was to be taken to the birth-control clinic for sterilization, a procedure they had previously been pressing her to submit herself to.

She refused vehemently, showing documents obtained from a local hospital in April that the planned operation was not advisable because of a medical condition.

Despite her and her relatives' protests, she was forced into a waiting car and driven away.

In the afternoon of the same day, officials informed Sun's relatives that she had died after jumping from the fourth floor of the building housing the local birth-control administration.

Family members who were allowed to see her body discovered large bruises to her head and different parts of her body.

"There is no way she could have received those injuries from jumping to her death," said the relative…. "We tried to report the incident, but there was no one to report to," said the relative…. Pressure on China's army of family planning workers to meet the birth quota in their jurisdiction have led to widespread excesses.

Family planning workers and local officials resort to beating people, locking them up illegally, confiscating livestock and destroying their homes….

[Read “Defector Tells How She Oversaw Raids, Ordered Sterilization of Women” from The Chicago Tribune, April 18, 2001]

A Chinese defector identified as a former provincial birth control officer told a congressional hearing Wednesday of overseeing forced sterilizations, night-time raids on the homes of pregnant women and forced abortions as late as nine months into pregnancy.

Displaying smuggled identity cards, documents and videotape to bolster her credibility, the defector, Gao Xiao Duan, described a brutal enforcement system for China's strict family planning policy.

She said she used informers to find women who tried to conceal "unauthorized" pregnancies. Gao also said she sometimes ordered homes demolished and family members arrested to retaliate against women who tried to hide from enforced abortions….

…. Gao, a stern-faced woman who testified in a navy blue suit buttoned to the collar. As her testimony went on, her demeanor broke and she began to sob softly.

Gao said she once was present when a woman nine months pregnant was seized at her parents' house, "immediately stuffed into a car" and forced to undergo an abortion.

"In the operating room, I saw how the aborted child's lips were still moving, how its limbs were also moving. The doctor injected poison into its skull, and the child died, and it was thrown into a trash can," Gao said.

"Afterward, the husband was holding his wife in his arms and crying loudly, 'What kind of a husband am I . . . I cannot protect my wife.' "

Gao said abortions routinely were performed on women who did not have permits for pregnancy. She said 10 to 15 abortions were performed monthly in Yonghe, the town she supervised, in coastal Fujian Province.

She said regional family planning officials are under tremendous pressure to reduce population growth in their areas and "will resort to anything to achieve planned-birth goals set by their superiors."

Area women younger than 20 are not allowed to become pregnant nor are unmarried women, she said. Because sons are prized in Chinese culture, married women are given permission for a second child only if their first was a daughter. No third child is allowed, she said.

Women who become pregnant too young or have "extra" children may undergo forced sterilization, she said.

Gao described the case of one woman whose intra-uterine contraceptive device was inserted incorrectly and she became pregnant, then hid while she carried to term a second child.

"I sent a bulldozer to demolish her house and her brother's house. She was then sterilized." Gao said.

Gao said a computer database in her town tracks women of child-bearing age, monitoring marriages, births, abortions and contraceptive status.

She said those women are required to have periodic exams to monitor contraception; they are fined and apprehended if they fail to keep appointments, she said….

Does this sound like Nazi Germany? China today is Nazi China.

Never again…
____________________________________________________________

Dear Colleague:

Ideas have consequences. With a recent surge in media coverage relating to
China’s one-child policy, it is important to understand the origins of
that barbaric program which I first documented in 1979-80. It all began
with the Club of Rome’s Limits to Growth hoax of the early seventies. A
computer simulation of population growth and ecological collapse convinced
China’s ruling elite to embark on a radical program to cut in half the
number of people in China. The population controllers and their radical
environmentalist sidekicks bear a moral responsibility for the deaths of
hundreds of millions of people in China. The infamous one-child policy is
their baby.

Steven Mosher
President

PRI Weekly Briefing
12 August 2003
Vol. 5/ No. 23


China’s One-Child Policy and Western Population Controllers
By Steve Mosher

Population control was not imposed on China by the West, as it has been
imposed on smaller, weaker countries. Not only did western-funded
organizations like the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA), the
International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF) and others lend China’s
one-child policy enthusiastic support but, as recent research makes clear,
the intellectual impetus for the policy came from the West.(1) Vaporous
Sixties ideas about population growth and resource depletion had explosive
real-world consequences years later and half a world away. The core ideas
underlying the one-child policy, it turns out, came from Western
“science,” and more precisely from the notorious 1974 Club of Rome study
which asserted that we were breeding ourselves to extinction.

The Club of Rome sponsored a computer simulation, carried out by a group
of MIT-based systems engineers, called “The Limits to Growth.” Released
with great fanfare, the study predicted that, if population growth and
resource consumption were allowed to continue unchecked, the world would
come to an end by about 2070.(2) The study was soon shown to be a hoax,
with even the Club of Rome disowning it. Its primary purpose, said the
president of the Club, had been to “jolt” people into taking the
overpopulation problem seriously.

But the stage was set for systems control specialist, Song Jian, who
worked for China’s state-owned defense industry. Visiting Europe in 1978,
Song “happened to learn about the application of systems analysis theory
by European scientists to the study of population problems with a great
success.” According to him, “British scientists contended that Britain’s
population of 56 million had greatly exceeded the sustaining capacity of
ecosystem of the [United] Kingdom. They argued Britain’s population should
be gradually reduced to 30 million, namely, a reduction by nearly 50
percent . . . I was extremely excited about these documents and determined
to try the method of demography.”(3)

When Song Jian returned to China, he regurgitated the simulation’s scary
scenarios of ecological devastation, applying these specifically to China:
“The vegetable cover has been progressively removed so that only about 12
per cent is forested . . . the grass-cover, too, has been shrinking each
year and the deserts have tended to expand . . . These developments are
threatening ultimately to destroy the ecosystem which supports human
life.” Song drew a similar conclusion: “The capacity of the land . . .
does not permit excessive increases in population. This is quite
obvious.”(4) He reinforced his rhetoric with eye-catching charts showing
China’s population remaining low for 4,000 years, then spiking up
terrifyingly to 1 billion by 1980.(5) No mention was made of dramatic
declines in the birth rate in the seventies.(6)

Other Chinese experts jumped into the debate, arguing that not only
China’s ecology but also its economy was collapsing under the weight of
its gargantuan population. Nothing less was at stake than the country’s
drive for wealth and global power, warned Vice Premier Chen Muhua in the
pages of the People’s Daily: “In order to realize the Four Modernizations,
we must control population growth in a planned way.”(7)

Once the Chinese leadership had been, to use Club of Rome terminology,
“jolted” into accepting the idea that population growth was sabotaging the
nation’s modernization, they were ripe for a radical solution. It was Song
Jian, armed with a computer simulation right out of the pages of The
Limits to Growth, who offered one.

The computer simulation presented by the Song group to Chinese
leaders—perhaps the first they had ever seen—was met with awe. Scientific
and technological modernization, named by Paramount Leader Deng Xiaoping
the most important of his Four Modernizations, was now paying off. China’s
communist leadership had few qualms about regulating the fertility of its
subjects, and Song’s insistence that Western “science” left them “no other
choice” made their decision easy. When Song’s study was later published in
the People’s Daily on 7 March 1980, it was edited to read that allowing
more than one child per family would be “disadvantageous to our country’s
four modernizations . . . and to the raising of the people’s standard of
living.” The one-child-per-couple policy, which would shrink the
population over time, was described as “a comparatively ideal scheme for
solving our country’s population problem.”(8)

Publication in the official party organ, the People’s Daily, meant that
the policy had received the imprimatur of the Communist Party, and was
therefore beyond further discussion. Six months later, in mid-September
1980, the one-child policy was formally ratified by the National People’s
Congress. Since then it has been set in stone. On this terrible altar
hundreds of millions of mothers and children have suffered and died,
sacrificed to a scientific fraud.

The Party, for its part, was happy to blame China’s “overlarge population”
for all of China’s problems and backwardness, since this helped distract
the people from its own errors of the preceding three decades. Population
growth became an all-purpose villain in the official press, blamed for
everything from declines in labor productivity to sagging economic growth.
If only you wouldn’t have so many children, the Communist Party continues
to chide the people even today, we could achieve wealth, power and glory
for China in a few years.

The population controllers claim to be proud of what China’s one-child
policy has “accomplished.” They should be. It is their baby.

ENDNOTES

1. “Demography in China: From Zero to Now,” Yuan H. Tien, Population Index
47(4):683-710; “China’s Strategic Development Initiative,” Tien, Praeger:
New York, 1991.
2. “The Limits to Growth: A Report for the Club of Rome’s Project on the
Predicament of Mankind,” D.H. Meadows et al., Universe Books: New York,
1972.
3. “Systems Science and China’s Economic Reforms,” Song Jian, in “Control
Science and Technology Development,” Yang Jiachi, ed., Pergamon: Oxford,
1986; Pp. 1-8.
4. “Population Development: Goals and Plans,” Song Jian, in “China’s
Population: Problems and Prospects,” Liu Zhen, Song Jian et al., eds. New
World Press: Beijing, 1981; Pp. 25-31.
5. Song, 1981; p.26.
6. Chinese figures of the time showed that the years 1971-79 saw the
natural increase rate fall by half, from 23.4 to 11.7, and the crude birth
rate decline by almost as much, from 30.7 to 17.9. Tien, p. 683.
7. “In Order to Realize the Four Modernizations, We Must Control
Population Growth in a Planned Way,” Chun Muhua, People’s Daily (Renmin
Ribao), 11 August 1979, p. 2.
8. “Concerning the Issue of Our Country’s Objective in Population
Development,” Song Jian, Tain Xueyuan, Li Guangyuan and Yu Jingyuan,
People’s Daily (Renmin Ribao), 7 March 1980, p. 5.


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93 posted on 08/12/2003 2:12:02 PM PDT by HighRoadToChina (Never Again!)
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To: Billie; FreeTheHostages
Here's a cupa lifted to the dynamic duo. Beautiful presentation, and some very good advice from today's Finest.


94 posted on 08/12/2003 2:18:32 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: HighRoadToChina
Glad to learn more about you HighRoad. You are a prophet, or the canary in the mine concerning China. Congratulations on being in the Finest spotlight.


95 posted on 08/12/2003 2:24:45 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: WVNan
Wvnan -- thank you! I share this cup with HighRoad.
96 posted on 08/12/2003 2:26:03 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: HighRoadToChina
Thank you for the post. These things are happening. We have to be aware of it.
97 posted on 08/12/2003 2:28:42 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Quix; FreeTheHostages
Good afternoon, Quix. Thank you for your very nice post! FreeTheHostages and I teamed up for this effort - she writes 'em, I puts 'em together! :)
98 posted on 08/12/2003 2:52:32 PM PDT by Billie
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To: The Thin Man; FreeTheHostages
I'm sorry that Billie decided to undermine your wonderful thread by doing this. :-)

I know what you're doing, T Man - won't work - she can see right through those fake compliments, too. :)

99 posted on 08/12/2003 2:55:53 PM PDT by Billie
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To: Diver Dave
LOL! This porridge was too hot, hers was too cold, but Free's is Justtttttt right!
100 posted on 08/12/2003 2:58:09 PM PDT by Billie
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