Posted on 08/11/2003 8:57:56 AM PDT by fishtank
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Just as time in prison is 'paying a debt to society,' hell is about paying a debt to God.
Banning the bible is already here, at least certain "offensive" passages, in some countries. This trend appears to be spreading. The next logical step is outlawing Christianity altogether, then martyrdom.
7 posted on 08/13/2003 6:12 AM PDT by Manic_Episode
We have a whole group of these on the FR ... pampered too --- evolutionists !
Non-gargantuan dinosuars didn't warrant a mention, then?
So, Hitler, having escaped paying for his wrongdoing by killing himself, should escape any punishment at all for killing 8+ million people, most by gassing them while naked, and letting their children die with them, then having his men pry the gold out of their teeth? How could a just God allow that? Punishment can also be for justice.
A little too much like "I am YAWH of Borg." I can't go there.
A MISTAKE?! You have to be kidding, out of your nut or think we're all stupid here. It wasn't "A MISTAKE." It was a theory that got repeated till it was stated as defacto "fact". It wasn't a mistake, it was a concert of bs and wishful thinking propounded to prop up a theory that had nothing propping it up.
1. Ceolacanths aren't extinct.
2. Ceolacanths don't look like they were portrayed.
3. Ceolacanths don't have lungs.
4. Ceolacanths don't have legs and cannot walk.
5. Ceolacanths aren't a marker for the fossil record.
6. Ceolacanths exist in two oceans at least and never "evolved".
One could go on but we've got 6 issues here and the only one that comes close to being a mistake is the assumption that the beast was extinct. The rest is anything but a mistake. Ceolacanths were portrayed this way for a reason. And when it was proven balderdash, you want to call it a mistake!
2. Please show me cave drawings of dinosaurs. Since they obviously died out before Egyptian society(per your statement). You would think that a dinosaur would have been the subject of at least a couple paintings, since buffalo and antelopes take up the vast majority.
This is an assumption made from another assumption. One, the cave paintings show what? Hunting scenes. You're assuming men hunted dinosaurs for food. There is no evidence of that of which I am aware. In fact, I think your side would balk at that notion; but, I don't much care. Two, you're assuming that men cared enough to paint everything they did or that all cave paintings survived.
What do we know about natural pigments? We know that humidity over time destroys them - even when sealed away for centuries - The egyptian tombs are good examples. Even in the best of conditions, natural pigments are destroyed over time. Your assumption is that the cave paintings happened before the egyptians. There is nothing to support this supposition. And if natural processes are a guide, then the slow destruction of cave paintings over time should tell us they aren't all that old. Which doesn't leave you in a very good position. And Yes, I'm both an artist and and egyptology nut. The truth is that natural pigments are not hardy and are difficult to keep from fading under any circumstance. There are exceptions, but not many.
OK, so lets say the flood happened 3000B.C. So that is 5K years ago. Since the entire universe is 6K years old, then the dino's had to have only lived for 1K years at most. But you say it was a couple thousand years. So that pushes back the creation of the UNIVERSE to well over 6K years. Sounds like you do not believe your 6K year old universe brothers. So do you try to convince them that their timetable is wrong?
I didn't say the Egyptians came into being at 3000ad nor did I say the Dinos died off in 3000. I don't accept either your premise or your conclusion. I didn't set a specific time but rather a neighborhood - a few thousand years at best. I don't think the Egyptians started until 2500-2000 years ad. Giving Dinos between 1500-2000 years play room. That's no small amount of time. Nor is it in conflict with any of my Christian or religious pals. But it is noteworthy that you have to aggrivate the argument by mistating it in order to make anything resembling a logical point - falacy-ridden though it may be. Clutching at straws is not good form, btw.
Tell me how light from the Andromeda Galaxy that is 2.3 million light years away is hitting us now, if the universe is only 6K-10K(your out of the norm timeframe) years old?
First, you'll need to prove it's distance. I took enough math to be a double major in it. I'm also a programmer. If you know the length of TWO sides of a triangle, you can establish the length of the third. If you know the length of one side and know the exact angles of the other two, then you can derive the lenths of the other two. But scale requires accuracy. The greater the scale, the greater the requirement of precision. You don't have a measurable starting point because you literally don't even know the exact distance between earth and the moon. It is a rough distance. And you don't need to bother arguing that point. I think most here are aware of it.
Furthermore, you don't know if there are obstructions shifting the apparent position of the star from where it actually is. And that is not only a fair statement, it's accurate and devastating to your argument. If you can't garauntee you're pointed at the correct angles and matched to the same point on both ends of a known lenth, you can't get there from here. You can't even say with any amount of certainty that the colors we percieve are correct because you can't garauntee absence of obstructions in the case of Any star. The tall and short of it is that you know about as much about space as the predacessors of columbus knew about the oceans yet want to sell us a map of the universe and pontificate about how accurate it is. Guess what, they were more intelligent than you - they took environmental factors into account and still got it wrong.
The only reason we have a rough idea about how far away the moon is happens to be that we went there and bore it out. We've not been to a single star yet to be able to establish a standard rule of distance that can be looked upon as sure. So don't try to sell a mathemitician with a physics background on your quackery.
An amazing post - you've laid down 10 more lies to cover up just one. I bet your next post will be a real doozy.
Wow, you are just full of such doozies!
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. - Matthew 22:29-32
On many occasions I've remarked that my eyes read the Bible but the Spirit within me reads the Word. Truly, there is only one Word, one Spirit, one Jesus, one Father. But the eyes "see" through the filter of the mind and thus there are different interpretations of the Bible, priorities, etc.
Paul speaks often about how some Christians can handle meat while others can handle milk. And the disciples themselves were very different personalities and had disputes. Notably, Jesus choose them different as they were and did not step in to settle all of their disputes.
Likewise in Revelation we see that there are several different churches with different points of view, acceptable for this and rebuked for that.
All of this is telling me that many differences are expected and tolerable - but when it comes to the power of God, the Word, the Spirit - there is only one Truth. And the heart of the matter is as you say, the Great Commandment!
Grasshopper, you have failed me!
Cepheid variables are very YOUNG stars; pre-main sequence if you will.
THe variabilty of the Cepheid is a result of the cyclical ionization of He in the star's atmosphere; when it get's hot enough, the ionized He renders the stellar atmosphere more opaque, thus reducing the energy flux, and hence the luminosity of the star (it gets dimmer). But this means energy is building up in the star, and the increased pressure expands the atmosphere, which must cool off as a result of the expansion. This allows the He to "un-ionize," reducing opacity, and consequently increasing the luminosity (star gets brighter). After blowing off the excess energy, it contracts, increasing the temperature, reionizing the He, and the cycle repeats itself.
THe cycle time (period of variability) is related to the mass of the star, and the mass of the star is ALSO directly related to it's luminosity, and hence it's absolute magnitude; thus, we can obtain a relation between the star's period of variability and it's absolute magnitude. Thus, if we can measure the period of variability and the apparent magnitude of the star, we can calculate the distance it must be from us, as we can calculate its absolute magnitude from the period of variability.
crm ...
Secularism and Christianity cannot coexist. One has to exterminate the other. The world can be one or the other, not both.
Christians have been gradually marginalized. They will soon find themselves ... gradually being banned --- if they don't wake up.
3 posted on 08/13/2003 6:19 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("Magna cum laude, summa cum laude, the radio's too laude." - Johnny Dangerously)
I didn't say the Egyptians came into being at 3000bc nor did I say the Dinos died off in 3000. I don't accept either your premise or your conclusion. I didn't set a specific time but rather a neighborhood - a few thousand years at best. I don't think the Egyptians started until 2500-2000 years bc. Giving Dinos between 1500-2000 years play room. That's no small amount of time. Nor is it in conflict with any of my Christian or religious pals. But it is noteworthy that you have to aggrivate the argument by mistating it in order to make anything resembling a logical point - falacy-ridden though it may be. Clutching at straws is not good form, btw.
Good, since you wish to slander me, you should be able to point out all of them and demonstrate.
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