Posted on 08/11/2003 8:57:56 AM PDT by fishtank
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And as has often been said, how did we gage a "day", what with the sun and the moon coming along "days" later?
Let me see, First Day, Big Bang created out of the separation between all the Void (the Heavens) and all Matter (The "earth"), and the "earth" was waste, having no shape, and God said "Let there be Light" and we had Cosmic Ignition. The Sun and the Moon, the matter of our individual system, coelested and formed some time after the Big Ignition, and then life appeared, with Man appearing on the scene made in the (mental, concious, inquisitive, adaptable, creative, inventive) form of God, having the qualities that allowed Man to become what God designed him to be, ruler of all created things? The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil indicating that Man is the only animal life that God gave the gift of rising above to have the ability to choose to do Right or Wrong, and know what it is. The Fall showing that we too often listen to the whisper of a physical devil who plays on our own vanity, and that we are Lost from what God would have us strive for, to be more like Christ in our Love?
It appears the paper is not published or peer reviewed. If it had been, the referees would undoubtedly have told the authors to examine the possibility that 14C might be produced endogenously at low levelswithin the earth by nuclear transmutation reactions, and to estimate the rate of such production. The referees might also have obligated the authors to point out that the levels of 14C are still extremely low, compared with 99% of the material used for radiocarbon dating.
I used that line about God putting fossils in the ground to go hand in hand with God putting light from an object many billions of light years away 6K light years away so that the light is just hitting us now.
I agree, fossils are there through natural causes. Over millions of years(some have been found in the billions) a fossil history has been created. Your very simple flood explanation may work for you in your 6K old earth/universe, but it does not work for me. How does your flood account for the destruction of extinct aquatic life like Plesiosaurs, trilobytes, etc..?
How come Noah didn't take any dinosaurs with him in the ark? He was instructed to take representatives from every animal on earth, even reptiles(Gensis 6:19-20). But he didn't take any dinosuars. So there were not any in the ark. But the bible said he took every animal upon the Earth. In order for your world to not collapse around you, land based dinosaurs would have to be extinct by then. So EVERY kind of dinosaur would have to have lived between Adam&Eve and Noah. Genesis 2:5 tells us that there was no rain nor grass nor plants when God created Adam and Eve. In Genesis 2:19, God created all animals(after he created man). So Genesis Chapter 5 gives us the lifespan of the dinosaurs. I am not going to add it up, but I'll be kind and say a couple hundred years. Kinda wacky, don't you think? The fierce lion is mentioned many times in the bible. Don't you think a reptile the size of a bus with teeth 6 inches long would garner at least one entry? They would, if they didn't die out millions of years before Noah was born.
Your logic says that if a paper isn't peer reviewed by those with an evolutionary bias, then the paper can be dismissed. An excellent example of circular reasoning.
Let's try your gymnastics like this: Any element of the evolutionary hypothesis must be reviewed by a committee of French chefs else anyone who eats may dismiss them.
BTW, your comments aren't peer reviewed. Dismissed.
I'm not talking about what your physical equipment can detect against zero background. I'm talking about what occurs in the environment from contamination, all sources.
I just wrote a document dealing with LLD determination for radioactive dose measurements. (I am the lead researcher on a new instrument.) They are not measuring noise.
So you're a recognized authority.
The tables have turned. The statues are falling. Many scientists are being exposed as being not only fallible but biased, deceiving and dishonest on the question of evolution.
So the recognized authorities are wrong.
Scintillation fluid is made from fossil fuels such as methane or oil (plus some other ingredients), and it sparkles when struck by beta particles or certain other events such as neutrinos.
The solution used is carbon tetrachloride. Makes me wonder if the author actually talked to someone.
You have never once on this forum seen an instance of me complaining about the way I am treated by either other posters or by site Management.
Nor do I play funny little games with other posters.
You live in freakin' Hawaii...go surfing, dude, get a life!
You were corrected on *both* of these points in another thread in the past three days. Selective amnesia?
true science will address all anomolies - assumptions
And honest debaters will address rebuttals which have been made to their posts and not just repost their incorrect claims over and over again as if they've never been challenged.
Last time I checked radio waves and light travel at the same speed, so the argument is EXACTLY the same.
BTW, you are not seeing these objects in question. You are seeing them thru the lengthy exposure of a device to a designated area of sky, be it visual or radio or any wavelenth you wish. The human eye can only pick up a couple thousand individual stars in the darkest of nights. Other objects can be detected by the naked eye, but they are made up of either large areas of excited gas(orion nebula) or thousands of stars(open or globular clustars) or millions of stars(galaxies).
My logic said no such thing. I said the paper ignored certain obvious alternative hypotheses, and as such failed ordinary scientific standards for publications. I think a reviewer would probably have told them to discard the lengthy and tedious discussion of young-earth creationism, since YEC has conflicts with virtually every field of science. However, they certainly could have published the data if they'd done what any of us submitting a controversial theory has to do; shown that their theory explains these results and has no other major conflict with scientific laws; and that no other currently accepted theory explains their results (assuming none does). Or they could have, without publishing their own theory, noted that the data conflict with current theories, and stated there's something here that needs to be explained.
Your logic says that if a paper isn't peer reviewed by those with an evolutionary bias, then the paper can be dismissed.
Free Republic is a discussion forum, not a scientific journal. Would you like me to review the differences for you?
You're supposedly an expert? I don't like my experts to ask questions like, "If we all came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?" or "If the earth is round, why doesn't it look round?"
Carbon forms such mobile compounds as carbon dioxide and carbonic acid, just to name two. It doesn't have to stay trapped in buried rock, nor are rocks necessarily impermeable to contamination from atmospheric, groundwater, or subterranean sources.
And, that I agree with you on. Sorta.
And yet our lifespan of threescore and ten has remained pretty constant over thousands of years of recorded history.
And humans have only 300 generations in 6000 years, whereas bacteria have undergone upwards of 10 million replications. Bacteria have a genome almost as complex as ours. Why hasn't it deteriorated?
This is consistent with the Biblical account of a global Flood that destroyed most of the air-breathing life on the planet in a single brief cataclysm only a few thousand years ago."
Maybe, but it wouldn't have to be from the time of the Flood.
The Bible also alludes to man existing prior to Adam. He was annhilated catastrophically and left no living progeny, but before we can know any more about him, the curtain closes.
Some recent DNA analyses of ancient remains showing no relationship to modern man seem to support the Biblical assertion.
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