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Board of Education to hear evolution debate [New Mexico]
Associated Press ^ | 11 August 2003 | Associated Press

Posted on 08/11/2003 7:31:08 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

(Santa Fe-AP)
The stage is set for another public showdown between the scientific community and Charles Darwin’s critics over evolution’s place in New Mexico public schools.

Proponents of a theory that treats evolution with considerable skepticism say they’ll offer alternative revisions to the state’s science standards when the state Board of Education meets later this month.

The board is scheduled to discuss and vote on a final draft of revised standards.

The draft endorses biological evolution as a pillar of scientific knowledge. It went out for public comment last month after the state Department of Education spent more than a year revising the standards.

In 1999, the state Board of Education voted to change a standard that would have required New Mexico teachers to also present alternative views to evolution.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; darwin; education; evolution; science
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Looking forward to a kindler, gentler crevo debate.
1 posted on 08/11/2003 7:31:08 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; *crevo_list; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
PING. [This ping list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. FReepmail me to be added or dropped.]
2 posted on 08/11/2003 7:32:22 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Any specifics regarding the opponents? Usual players or different?
3 posted on 08/11/2003 7:35:20 AM PDT by Shryke (I)
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To: PatrickHenry
Resistance is futile.
4 posted on 08/11/2003 7:36:16 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: Shryke
No. I did a Google search on "darwin evolution new mexico" and this is all that came up.
5 posted on 08/11/2003 7:38:10 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
I see nothing wrong with teaching alternative views, just a soon as they come along. I anticipate the ID crowd will be along any moment now, so I invite them to predict some phenomenon, not yet observed, that is consistent with ID butnot evolution.
6 posted on 08/11/2003 7:40:03 AM PDT by js1138
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To: All
A very few links from the famous "list-o-links" (so the creationists don't get to start each new thread from ground zero).

15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense. From Scientific American
Project Steve: FAQs (National Center for Science Education)
Arguments we think creationists should NOT use from Answers in Genesis.

The foregoing is just a tiny sample. So that everyone will have access to the accumulated Creationism vs. Evolution threads which have previously appeared on FreeRepublic, plus links to hundreds of sites with a vast amount of information on this topic, here's Junior's massive work, available for all to review:
The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 21].

7 posted on 08/11/2003 7:49:13 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Is there a creationist or ID textbook yet? No one ever really says how they're going to handle the information to be presented in a biology course, without resorting to evolution.
8 posted on 08/11/2003 7:49:57 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: PatrickHenry
This is aggravating. Where is everyone? How am I supposed to start my Monday without a good evo/creation debate to follow?

Fine, I'll start one.

PHenry told me that f.Christian is a doo-doo head.

Just kiddin.

9 posted on 08/11/2003 7:50:52 AM PDT by Shryke
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To: Shryke
I wish you hadn't done that ...
10 posted on 08/11/2003 7:53:06 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry; Alamo-Girl; AndrewC; Boiler Plate; CalConservative; Con X-Poser; Dataman; ...
No date yet as to when this will happen...
11 posted on 08/11/2003 8:01:11 AM PDT by scripter
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
First you get the gig, then you write the songs.
12 posted on 08/11/2003 8:05:44 AM PDT by js1138
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To: PatrickHenry
With all of the stuff that's been going on here, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned what is going on in Michigan, and in Minnesota the last few weeks.

A couple of Yooper legislators have reintroduced the evolution bill from two years ago. NCSE link. Like the one two years ago, this one isn't expected to make it out of committee.

Minnesota has a new Education Commissioner, and just in time for the new science standards to be addressed for K-12. She's invoking the Santorum Amendment to the No Child Left Behind Act to try to get a references to a higher being added when discussions to evolutionary theory are mentioned (which higher being do YOU think she wants to mention). You can read her comments here.

Why do creationist insist on legislating things that they have no research plan for (like intelligent design), or have no scientific work in favor of (like creationism). It's doubly depressing when you look at the political affiliations of the individuals involved.

13 posted on 08/11/2003 8:07:53 AM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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The draft endorses biological evolution as a pillar of scientific knowledge.

If you exchange the above word from "knowledge" to "dogma", this sentence would certainly be accurate.

14 posted on 08/11/2003 8:09:22 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: ThinkPlease
She's invoking the Santorum Amendment to the No Child Left Behind Act to try to get a references to a higher being added when discussions to evolutionary theory are mentioned (which higher being do YOU think she wants to mention).

The Santorum amendment is a fiction. It was removed from the No Child Left Behind Act by conference committee. Santorum lobbied to have the text included in the conference report, which has no force of law.

15 posted on 08/11/2003 8:14:26 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: ThinkPlease
She's invoking the Santorum Amendment to the No Child Left Behind Act to try to get a references to a higher being added when discussions to evolutionary theory are mentioned ...

I don't see this in the linked article. I admit to falling asleep halfway through.

16 posted on 08/11/2003 8:19:22 AM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
It's not explicit in the linked article, but is the first set of quoted text in the article:

The Conferees recognize that a quality science education should prepare students to distinguish the data and testable theories of science from religious or philosophical claims that are made in the name of science. Where topics are taught that may generate controversy (such as biological evolution), the curriculum should help students to understand the full range of scientific views that exist, why such topics may generate controversy, and how scientific discoveries can profoundly affect society.

That's Santorum's contribution. For What it's worth, the same quote was tossed out in Ohio and was rejected.

17 posted on 08/11/2003 8:31:20 AM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: js1138
so I invite them to predict some phenomenon, not yet observed, that is consistent with ID butnot evolution.

ID is evolution, just not Darwinian evolution.

18 posted on 08/11/2003 8:34:16 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: ThinkPlease
the curriculum should help students to understand the full range of scientific views that exist...

That's the bugger in the cookie dough, isn't it? What are the "scientific views"? I'm not aware of any controversies that don't involve molecular biology -- heavy stuff for high school kids.

19 posted on 08/11/2003 8:37:37 AM PDT by js1138
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ID is evolution, just not Darwinian evolution.

So what kind of research would ID propose that is different from what is already being done?

20 posted on 08/11/2003 8:42:35 AM PDT by js1138
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