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A priest speaks his mind
Washington Times ^ | 8/11/03 | Julia Duin

Posted on 08/11/2003 2:43:50 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:06:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

CATONSVILLE, Md.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: episcopal; fallout; fallschurch; homosexualbishop; johnyates; juliaduin; martynminns; schism; truro
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To: Grampa Dave; AnAmericanMother; sweetliberty; N. Theknow; Ray'sBeth; mel; hellinahandcart; ...
Episcopal/Anglican ping
21 posted on 08/11/2003 5:49:59 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: kattracks
I'm not Episcopalian but this saddens me deeply. I have my own personal thoughts that satan is weakening the resolve of all Christian churches so that at some point 'the religion of peace' will step in and become the one-world religion. America is being weakened from within to be taken over by the forces of the Underworld (not the underworld). If most Episcopalians and Christians as a body sit back and say nothing, then they will be herded like sheeple and driven into the pit.
22 posted on 08/11/2003 5:55:15 AM PDT by hardhead ('Curly, don't say its a fine morning or I'll shoot you.' - John Wayne, 'McLintock' 1963)
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To: kattracks
--The Episcopal Church requires its priests to obey its bishops.--

But those bishops are no longer required to obey the Bible it seems.
24 posted on 08/11/2003 6:21:48 AM PDT by fml
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To: TonyRo76
It seems that Steven R. Randall embodies that spirit in this generation.
27 posted on 08/11/2003 6:34:45 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: kattracks
Yesterday at the National Cathedral, Washington Bishop John B. Chane told reporters that the decision to confirm Mr. Robinson's election had been "centered in prayer" and that before voting, bishops had been "anointed" with holy oil as an aid for decision making. "I've never prayed this much in my life," he said. The anointing "was an unbelievably powerful experience."

Sounds like the "oil" was K-Y jelly.

28 posted on 08/11/2003 6:41:58 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: kattracks
"I think there is a lot of work to be done there pastorally as well as professionally," he said. "It's a conservative congregation, so this does not surprise me. It has been one torn by strife and a lot of conservative feeling over the years."

Notice what's blamed for the tearing - strife and conservative feeling. What a crock.
29 posted on 08/11/2003 6:44:18 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: RightWinger
"I think there is a lot of work to be done there pastorally as well as professionally," he said. "It's a conservative congregation, so this does not surprise me. It has been one torn by strife and a lot of conservative feeling over the years."

This seems to me that this is related to the 'conservatism = mental illness' theory that's making the rounds. In this instance, it seems the congregation has been taking a biblical stand on matters for some time and the church leaders see it not as defending the faith but as symtomatic of a conservative mindset.

Kudos for the congregation and to hell with the bishops.

30 posted on 08/11/2003 6:48:44 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: kattracks
"It has been one torn by strife and a lot of conservative feeling"

Conservative feeling???? No, it has been torn by the church redefining God's word to negate what it clearly says and means!

"Washington Bishop John B. Chane told reporters that the decision to confirm Mr. Robinson's election had been "centered in prayer"

Prayer to who?

"It was a relationship that was blessed at some point."

I dare say, not by God.

31 posted on 08/11/2003 6:55:30 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: bets
What makes me really mad, though, is the number of people who stayed w/the church after all that. Cowards and lukewarm bodies is all they are. They deserve what they get.

So many churches have become nothing more than social clubs, so what does it matter who runs things? I just wish they would be honest about it.

32 posted on 08/11/2003 7:02:22 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: freebilly
"The US Episcopal Church will lose very few members overall. The individuals who actually read the Bible in the Episcopal Church will be replaced by gays and by straight liberals..."

The numbers on the membership rolls does not the body of Christ make, or as Corrie ten Boon said, "just because a mouse gets in the cookie jar doesn't make him a cookie." We once had a priest that was fond of saying that you won't find God in church unless you take him with you. Wiser words were never spoken. God commands His people to have nothing to do with the one who calls himself a brother yet is wallowing in his sin (my paraphrase), and if God's people are absent from the church, then so will God's Holy Spirit be.

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matt.7:22-23)

33 posted on 08/11/2003 7:10:13 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Cronos
"This "person" will have the bloodof thousands on his hands."

Oh, haven't you heard? Robinson claims its not his problem.

Statement by Robinson:

"Robinson said he did not feel responsible for anyone leaving the church. "Clearly I've been called to play a role here. But if anyone leaves the church it's because they've chosen to, not because they've been asked to or forced to. I don't hold the future of the Anglican church on my shoulders."

34 posted on 08/11/2003 7:22:55 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
God commands His people to have nothing to do with the one who calls himself a brother yet is wallowing in his sin (my paraphrase), and if God's people are absent from the church, then so will God's Holy Spirit be.

Obviously you are an unenlightened fundie. All of us here at The Future Church of The Created God The Creator are diligently working to re-create the Church and God in our own image. The quaint concept of "sin" which, for most people, brings up feelings of guilt, shame, and anxiety, will be replaced by the word "mistake". Our research shows that 50% more people feel threatened by the word "sin" than they are by the word "mistake".

Essentially, what we're doing here at the FCOCGF (pronounced Fucocoff) is getting rid of the patriarchical and hierarchical relationship of God to man. We want people to see the Holy Spirit as their pal. We want people to understand that God is broadminded (despite Christ's words on the Cross ("Father, Father, why have you judged me...?")

The FUCOCOFF BIBLE will be available this Winter Holiday Season ....

35 posted on 08/11/2003 7:34:13 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: freebilly
Indeed, I foresee a time when the US Episcopal Church updates the Bible to rid it of any negative references to homosexuality...

Expect this to happen soon after the current Bible is ruled "hate literature" by the courts.

Things are moving on schedule.

36 posted on 08/11/2003 7:34:33 AM PDT by Republic If You Can Keep It
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To: gsrinok
Amen to that. I believe that the Episcopal Church will lose at least 25% of its membership over this.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect them to lose a significant number of members. This ordination is not an isolated event, but the result (and not the final result) of years of corruption. How did this guy get to remain in the priesthood after ditching his family and running off with his butt buddy? And what's going on in the minds of these 40-odd church leaders who voted for his becoming a bishop?

The "priest," or whatever, of our largest local congregation of Episcopals is a lesbian. When my wife informed me of this (we have some friends who used to go there), I asked, "What, don't they read the Bible?" Of course I instantly realized what a stupid question that was.

The leaders of that church have been boiling the frogs for a long time. The ordination of the homo bishop is just the latest uptick in the temperature. It is a slightly larger change in temperature than usual, but since most of the frogs are already dead, they won't notice. Hopefully, more of the not-yet-dead "frogs" like Mr. Randall and his congregation will notice and jump out of the pot, but I don't expect this to happen in large numbers. Again, I hope I'm wrong.

37 posted on 08/11/2003 7:35:54 AM PDT by VoiceOfBruck
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To: fml
"--The Episcopal Church requires its priests to obey its bishops.-- "

"But those bishops are no longer required to obey the Bible it seems."

I liken it to the submission of a woman to her husband "as is fitting in the Lord." While God gives authority to the man in being the head of his family, that order only works if the man, in turn, submits himself to the headship of the Lord. A man has no authority to cause his wife to sin nor is she compelled to submit to his authority outside the Lord. The same is true here. The hierarchy of authority in the church is established for its edification and the priests are subject to the bishops, but the bishops have no authority to compel the priests to sin nor are the priests bound by God to the authority of such bishops.

38 posted on 08/11/2003 7:36:53 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: freebilly
"what we're doing here at the FCOCGF (pronounced Fucocoff)"

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40 posted on 08/11/2003 7:41:12 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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