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Hear Me Now and Believe Me Later (Limbaugh on Schwarzenneger)
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | August 7, 2003 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 08/08/2003 8:36:39 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan

Here me now and believe me later, my friends: all these conservative orgasms over Arnold Schwarzenegger are - like the "Gorbasms" liberals experienced over Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev - fake. I know that (R) next to Schwarzenegger's name excites the White House, but his own words prove he's not a conservative. I call this "The Hollywood Syndrome," and it happens every time some actor-type says anything even remotely conservative. I'm not trying to cold shower anybody here, but don't look to anyone in Hollywood to validate your political ideas.

The American Prowler's George Neumayr detailed Arnold's politics in his article "Here's Arnold!" Quote: "[H]e spoke in generalities and banalities about his plans for the state. To the extent that he said anything, he sounded not like a fiscal conservative but a moderate Democrat. He said that he wanted businesses to come back to California so that the state government could collect enough tax revenues to provide social programs. This is the sort of obtuse comment middle-of-the-road Democrats always make, forgetting that businesses are leaving the state because they are tired of paying high taxes for those big government social programs."

More: "He has told the press he is 'very liberal' about social programs, supports abortion and homosexual adoption, and advocates 'sensible gun controls.' His entree into politics last year was a proposition Democrats endorsed because it raised state spending for what amounted to state babysitting - before-school and after-school programs that cost the state up to $455 million a year. He has complained openly about the party's conservatism.... Talk magazine described him as 'impatient' with the religious right.... [H]e expressed disgust with the Republicans who impeached Clinton. 'That was another thing I will never forgive the Republican Party for,' he said. 'We spent one year wasting time because there was a human failure. I was ashamed to call myself a Republican during that period.'"

Does this sound like "the Next Reagan," as some people are calling Arnold? Hardly. This guy may be the next actor elected governor of California, but that's where the similarity between him and Ronaldus Magnus end.


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To: VOA; Poohbah; ExSoldier; Chancellor Palpatine; daviddennis; MightyMouseToSaveThe Day; ...
Not in California (Santa Fe, North Mexico) but my dad was until he died last month. Taught me to wash my hands after shaking hands with a Democrat.

Today Dana Rohrabacher spoke positively of Arnold Schwarzenegger on Sean Hannity's radio program. Dana is very cool, very conservative, my son-in-law's congressman.

My step-sister in Capistrano Beach reflects a large percentage of Californians--paranoid of Bush, hates him, any Democrat better than any Republican.

My thirty-five-year college fraternity friend and his NASA wife in Berkeley are vacationing in France, with an f-u for Bush--now there's a conservative base.

I went door-to-door for Goldwater--and learned politics is the art of the possible.

It's still possible for Republicans to put a Democrat in Sacramento--how about Loretta Sanchez? She's Hillary's choice for her vice president--the hispanic thing que no.

I listen to Rush fifteen hours a week every week and he's frequently right and on Arnold Schwarzenegger he's wrong.

Arnold can win and create a friendly climate for Bush next year and put 55 big bullets within reach--at least put the Democrats on the sidelines in Sacramento.

My great-to-the-fifth grandfather fought King George and there were squabbles between the Jeffersonians and Madison's bunch--but they kept their fire directed at the red coats.

I just got this from friends and it's fascinating in its unexpected insight on Arnold Scharzenegger--

A few months ago John Fund told of seeing Schwarzenegger at think tank meetings in the 1980s. He didn't just go to the meeting but stayed after to talk with the other free-market geeks.

Best wishes, Iris

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Arnold Schwarzenegger graduated from the University of Wisconsin-Superior with a BA in business and international economics in 1979.

http://www.uwalumni.com/askabe/athletics.html

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John Fund
Aug. 8, 2003
Opinion Journal, WSJ

... At age 21, he came to America in 1968 with little money and even less command of English.

A natural capitalist, he bought up office buildings and apartment complexes before he ever made a film.

His business empire now includes shopping malls, a Boeing 747 he leases to an airline, and a large chunk of Santa Monica real estate.

He took evening courses in business at UCLA, and earned a bachelor's degree in business by mail from the University of Wisconsin at Superior.

...The consultants Mr. Schwarzenegger has assembled--call them "Team Arnold"--are all battle-hardened veterans of the four successful campaigns that Pete Wilson [Calif.] ran for senate and governor in the 1980s and 1990s.

Several played a pivotal role in Boris Yeltsin's come-from-behind re-election campaign for Russian president in 1996.

Mr. Gorton, Team Arnold's captain, helped engineer Mr. Wilson's dramatic defeat of Kathleen Brown, Jerry Brown's sister, in the 1994 gubernatorial election.

Sean Walsh was Gov. Wilson's communications director; Bob White and Joe Shumate, former top staffers for Mr. Wilson, may play key roles.

Don Sipple will actively be involved in message development, although Mr. Schwarzenegger seems to have an instinct for connecting with voters. "The people are working hard," he said at his announcement. "The people are paying the taxes, the people are raising the families, but the politicians are not doing their job. The politicians are fiddling, fumbling and failing."

...His charitable activities include a foundation that provides after-school programs for 200,000 kids and served as the inspiration for Proposition 49--an initiative he sponsored last year to expand after-school programs to every school in California.

In a stroke of political genius, the initiative didn't raise taxes or cut any other program.

Its funding mechanism only kicks in when economic growth naturally increases state revenues.

Proposition 49 carried 50 out of the state's 53 congressional districts, winning endorsements from both Rep. Chris Cox, [fan of Ayn Rand] an Orange County Republican, and Rep. Henry Waxman, a Hollywood Democrat...

Bill Saracino, a former head of Gun Owners of California...notes that Mr. Schwarzenegger has opposed strict gun controls and contributed to several free-market think tanks...

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This is from:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110003854

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I like Rush, and Hillary never did run for the Senate--did she?

261 posted on 08/09/2003 12:14:09 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Poohbah
Hello, his radio career took off in Sacramento. Where he lived at the time. (Sacramento is in California)
262 posted on 08/09/2003 12:37:02 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: PhilDragoo
Thanks for the ping, your observations and comments, and for including the wonderful and informative WSJ Fund article!
263 posted on 08/09/2003 5:54:08 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (I like everyone else's tag better than mine.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Good report and the article from John Fund. The climate that is in CA at this time, chances are a "true" conservative won't get elected. Arnold has the background to pull CA out of their deficit and show many of the Dem voters that republicans aren't the evil VRWC that the Clinton's have been screaming about.
264 posted on 08/09/2003 7:44:20 AM PDT by Mo1 (I have nothing to add .. just want to see if I make the cut and paste ;0))
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To: Poohbah
...serial carpetbaggers like Rush...

You're thinking about Senator Hitlery von Ramrod Klinton and her ilk.

Rush didn't say he was moving to another state so he could run for governor or senator and if you had listened to what Arnold had to say the other day you would have heard the first words out of his mouth: "...day care for working mothers."

No conservative, Arnold. Not surprising, however, when we consider who is the mother of his children.

265 posted on 08/09/2003 7:52:50 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman
No conservative, Arnold. Not surprising, however, when we consider who is the mother of his children.

I agree that Arnold is not a "true" conservative .. but he also is not a "true" liberal.

What will be interesting to watch is how Maria reacts and handles all this because the libs will go after and try to destroy Arnold ..

266 posted on 08/09/2003 8:02:09 AM PDT by Mo1 (I have nothing to add .. just want to see if I make the cut and paste ;0))
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To: Poohbah
Go Poohbah! I believe we are talking about half a loaf is better than none here and NONE is what these purists are gonna get if they don't wake up. Shades of Ross Perot!
267 posted on 08/09/2003 8:06:35 AM PDT by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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To: Mo1
...is not a "true" conservative .. but he also is not a "true" liberal.

Much like our current president.

However, at least his morality is never questioned.

Having said that, even though there are photos popping up showing Arnold nude and posing with nude women, that was when he was single and not making much money.

268 posted on 08/09/2003 8:15:40 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman
Much like our current president.

They are nothing alot ..

Having said that, even though there are photos popping up showing Arnold nude and posing with nude women, that was when he was single and not making much money.

What does that have to do with running the state and pulling it out of it's deficit?

269 posted on 08/09/2003 8:24:39 AM PDT by Mo1 (I have nothing to add .. just want to see if I make the cut and paste ;0))
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To: Mo1
Proof read was once my friend

nothing alot = nothing alike

270 posted on 08/09/2003 8:25:52 AM PDT by Mo1 (I have nothing to add .. just want to see if I make the cut and paste ;0))
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To: PhilDragoo
Well, you can't make the mistake of concluding that your step-sister "reflects a large percentage of Californians". She's down in Capistrano in the heart of liberal kookiness, and your fraternity friend from Berkeley is from the land that DEFINED liberal kookiness! It's pretty well known that outside of the Bay Area and the LA area, that the rest of California has much more conservative leanings. Unfortunately, it's the sheer volume of people living in those 2 urban areas (and the fact that it includes many celebrities who can command a stage platform) that give rise to the impression that ALL of California is liberal. It's not. Many of us point proudly to Ronald Reagan as the embodiment of the true spirit here.

By the way, i hope your fraternity friend continues his vacation in France indefinitely! Don't need him here. :-)
271 posted on 08/09/2003 12:43:59 PM PDT by MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
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To: MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
It's pretty well known that outside of the Bay Area and the LA area, that the rest of California has much more conservative leanings.

Governor Gray Davis (D), Senator Dianne Feinstein (D), Senator Barbara Boxer (D).

Are you using the Way-Back Machine to channel another era?

This is a 59-day fight and there will be one winner.

Goldwater was my guy in 1964--there just wasn't enough straw for the bricks.

272 posted on 08/09/2003 3:39:11 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Did you read my whole post? Thank you for confirming what i wrote. Note what districts Feinstein and Boxer represent. Hullo?
273 posted on 08/09/2003 3:53:36 PM PDT by MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
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To: ColdSteelTalon
I agree... Rush is 100% correct, as he is 99.5% of the time

Of course, he did say about George W before the election "I know him & I know he is a true conservative" and now he has had to eat his words - but at least he will admit when he is wrong (even if he does takes 45 minutes doing it)

274 posted on 08/09/2003 7:33:57 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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To: MattGarrett
In this case, a conservative won't provide consensus. But a moderate - in the vein of Arnold - WILL. And he's ELECTABLE.

Then please tell me why the long line of liberal GOP nominees over the past decade have lost more often and more thoroughly than conservatives have?

That's the big hole in this cliche line of reasoning that every liberal talking-head continues to spit out, and many gullible conservatives have come to believe. The facts don't support it.

275 posted on 08/10/2003 1:56:41 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: ElkGroveDan
What crap!, I hear no one calling Arnold the next Reagan. The point is , just as Reagan said in 1979, he can't do anything if he is not elected. Why this is so hard for the dreamers on the right is beyond me. California is NOT INTERESTED in electing a conservative, at this time, so we need to get the next closest thing.WAKE UP!
276 posted on 08/10/2003 2:13:25 PM PDT by BOOTSTICK
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To: The KG9 Kid
Let's see Rush is calling Arnold a lefty liberal, and the left is calling Arnold a reformed Nazi. Looks like Arnold will settle right in the middle with Calif. voters, and win big. Err Rush blows another one.
277 posted on 08/10/2003 2:17:09 PM PDT by BOOTSTICK
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To: Poohbah
Whatever he is now won't exactly be what he'll be as Governer.
278 posted on 08/10/2003 2:19:34 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: BOOTSTICK; All
just as Reagan said in 1979, he can't do anything if he is not elected.

I totally agree. That's why I am opposing him. The last thing we need is another big-government liberal who thinks that governemnt exists to take care of the chiiiiiiiiiiildren.

Government needs to reduce the tax burden on California families so we can take care of our own "children".

just as Reagan said in 1979, he can't do anything if he is not elected.

I sure don't want him banning more firearms, being a voice the continued acceptance of the abortion holocaust, or promoting adoptions by people with admitted sexual disorders.

He can't do anything if he's not elected. We have our job cut out for us Freepers.

279 posted on 08/10/2003 6:51:37 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: FreeLibertarian
. If he weren't on the radio he would probably be selling used cars.

Great Point

280 posted on 08/10/2003 7:00:25 PM PDT by biffalobull
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