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Andrew Sullivan: They think Bush is worse than the Baghdad bullies
The Sunday Times (U.K.) ^ | 07/27/03 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 07/26/2003 4:01:08 PM PDT by Pokey78

There was something wonderfully strained about how various media organisations dealt last week with the news of the deaths of Qusay and Uday Hussein.

From the BBC to Reuters, there was palpable — if sternly repressed — dismay. One of the first headlines that the Ba’athist Broadcasting Corporation put out on the news was: “US celebrates ‘good’ Iraq news”.

The quotation marks around “good” did not refer to any quote or source in the text. They were pure editorialising on behalf of the BBC, whose campaign to undermine the liberation of Iraq is now in full swing. It was not clear to the BBC that the deaths of two of the most sadistic mass murderers on the planet was in any way a good thing, especially if they redounded to the credit of Tony Blair or President George W Bush.

And immediately, of course, pundits started to criticise the American action as “extra-judicial”, as a violation of the law against assassination, and so on. Their immediate impulse on hearing this terrific news was: how can we spin this against Blair and Bush? Commentators on the popular American left-wing website Democratic Underground were more explicit about how they felt: “Doesn’t a part of you wish that Queasy and Duh-day were alive? I’ll admit they’re scum and rightfully so, but anything that lands even more humiliation on W’s grotesque shrivelled face is that much the better.

“It’s sad, really, that as despicable as they are, Saddam’s family seems to be the lesser of two evils when you compare them to the wretched little bastard occupying the White House and destroying America in the process . . .”

To be fair, this guy was upbraided by other contributors to the site. But he wasn’t alone. Here are two others: “What I really hate about the way our government has been taken over is that I’m at the point where I almost don’t want anything good to happen in Iraq, I want them to screw up, I want them to fail.”

Another vented: “Bush and his ilk are far, far worse than Saddam and his two degenerate brats, and that’s saying a lot.

Yes, it is saying a lot, but the anti-war hysteria that has crept over the British and American press in the past few weeks has tended to obscure the reality of what is actually going on in Iraq.

The New York Times, for example, which has become far less tendentious since the exit of its discredited former executive editor, Howell Raines, still refers to the contract killings and Ba’athist remnants’ murders of small numbers of US soldiers as “an uprising”.

It also refers to the American and British presence in Iraq as an “occupation”. You get the idea. Colonial powers opposed by restless population. Far more congenial to anti-war types than: liberators still opposed by remnants of totalitarian regime.

But all the evidence in Iraq points to something else: a successful war followed by slow but measurable progress in putting back together a brutalised and fractured country. Think back for a moment to what we once feared might happen in the aftermath of a war to depose Saddam.

Here are some of the predictions, cited last week by Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy defence secretary: civil war; destroyed oil wells; environmental catastrophe; famine; a refugee crisis; and the possibility of cleaning up after chemical and biological attacks.

None of this happened — in large part because of the astonishingly innovative and swift war plan. The most staggering result is that Kurds, Shi’ites and Sunnis are still on board for a united, democratic country. But instead of reporting on this achievement the press, which in large part opposed the war in the first place, has done all it can to turn this success into a “quagmire”.

Yes, there are obvious problems. The electricity grid has proven hard to get back and running again. The capitulation of the Ba’athist thugs in the war means that many dead-enders are still at large and doing all they can to inflict damage on American troops in order to weaken resolve in the US. We overestimated the need for troops and underestimated the need for trained policemen in the aftermath of conflict. We were too slow to recruit Iraqis for internal security forces . . . and so on.

These are all mistakes. But they are forgivable and they are all remediable. Steps are certainly being taken to ensure that obvious problems are tackled and resolved.

But nobody can or should deny that the lives of average Iraqis are now immensely better than they were under a vicious totalitarian state. I don’t know about you, but with every new mass grave being discovered, with every gruesome torture chamber unearthed, with every children’s prison exposed, the more obvious it is to me that this war was not just morally defensible; it was morally essential.

By and large, it seems, understandably skittish Iraqis agree. The most reliable poll carried out in Baghdad — more troubled than regions to the Shi’ite south or Kurdish north — found a steady majority of Iraqis want the allies to stay and view the future as more promising than the past.

As to security, for all its problems, the current situation certainly compares favourably with, say, the chaos in liberated Germany after the second world war where military casualties mounted as diehard Nazis made their last stand. But somehow I don’t remember the western media describing those isolated Nazi remnants as an “uprising”. But then, in those days, the western media weren’t quietly hoping for the allies to fail.

Why, I keep asking myself? It is perfectly legitimate to question — aggressively — the fallible intelligence that was used in part to justify the war.

But to use such an inquiry to undermine the attempt to rebuild Iraq is to compound forgivable government failure before the war with the desperate need for allied success after it.

To replay the war debate now is a fatal distraction from the vital work at hand. Even if you disagreed with the war it is utterly unfair to the Iraqi people now to use their future and their lives as pawns in a domestic political squabble. Yet some would try to do exactly that. Their agenda needs to be resisted just as firmly as the cowardly attacks by Ba’athists in Iraq. For they serve the same purpose: the demise of democratic promise in Iraq and the collapse of the West’s long and difficult war against terror.

We can afford neither. And it is past time petty politics ceased in the face of that reality.


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To: MEG33
The list of dims being outspoken against the war because they hate W is growing longer and longer. Has anyone compiled a list of these quotes?
41 posted on 07/27/2003 6:30:20 AM PDT by mathluv
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To: mathluv
I wouldn't have the stomach for it!
42 posted on 07/27/2003 6:33:44 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump for later. Off to Mass. For those of you who don't already know this, today is the 50th Anniversary of the Korean War Armistice. Please let us not forget the 8,200 unaccounted for American POW & MIA's and their families. Semper Fi
43 posted on 07/27/2003 6:50:23 AM PDT by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar Div Viet Nam '69 & '70 Semper Fi)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for the ping Ragtime Cowgirl.

All the other things we're finding out about Hussein and his regime are just side benefits, I backed taking him and his regime out just because they screwed with the US. Any regime that supports terrorism against us or directly threatens us, I'd back taking out.

Until the rest of the world gets the message "leave us alone or pay the price". We've let the US be a punching bag for way to long. I don't care if anyone else "likes" us, I want them to respect and fear what we'll do to them if they mess with us.
44 posted on 07/27/2003 7:33:19 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Kiss me twice. I'm schizophrenic.)
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To: Pokey78
Andrew Sullivan's excellent article shows that the postings on the DU only show how much the Rat party hates GWB, America and what is good and right in this world. The Rats know that the majority of Americans do not agree with them and they know that the majority of Americans have had a real change of heart after 9/11. They just can not accept this reality and their goal is to destroy George W. Bush. Their God is BJ Clinton, socialism and the ultimate distruction of America. Forums such as Free Republic, conservative talk radio and Fox News are even more needed today so that the word of good and right reaches everyone.
45 posted on 07/27/2003 7:35:11 AM PDT by Lucky2 (I hope some day I see Hillary and Bill in handcuffs attached to a big burly prison guard.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Good morning, Diva! I loved reading this article. Thank you for the ping!! I read Andrew Sullivan's "Daily Dish" everyday. I may not agree with everything that he states, but I find myself in agreement when it comes to Foreign Policy matters. Thank you Andrew for supporting our troops!
46 posted on 07/27/2003 7:55:08 AM PDT by MoJo2001
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To: ladyinred
You are so right about the catalyst for this irrational hatred of GWB being Gore's attempt to steal the election. Been thinking it for some time - just hadn't articulated as well as you have. Good job.
47 posted on 07/27/2003 8:27:22 AM PDT by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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To: George W. Bush
"...DU. That place is Hatred Central."

That is because faction is always driven by hatred, not policy differences.

In Late Republican Roman politics, one had 'amici' and 'inimici', friends and enemies.

American socialists are a more dangerous threat to the Republic than any foreign foe, as everyone shall see as events play out.

48 posted on 07/27/2003 8:33:51 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: SAMWolf
Well said, SAM.

x x ~ on the cheek, of course.

49 posted on 07/27/2003 9:53:14 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("For our soldiers, the global war on terrorism is personal." * Gen. John Keane, July 23, '03)
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To: kellynla
Thanks, kelly. Some reporters get it. Here are two:

EFifty years after end of Korean War, one vet looks back 
    Appleton (WI) Post-Crescent | 7/27/03 | Peter Adams

ENo end of gratitude for Korean war veterans
    www.buffalonews.com  | 7/26/2003 | TOM ERNST


50 posted on 07/27/2003 9:56:27 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("For our soldiers, the global war on terrorism is personal." * Gen. John Keane, July 23, '03)
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To: beaversmom
My God, that is so disgusting. DU'ers are so disgusting. I hope Ann Coulter takes note of that comment, she can put it in her next book.

Then they wonder why we think they are treasonous. I think they should make the idiot that typed that watch someone be put through a plastic shredder, so he can talk about how "brave" these two are.

51 posted on 07/27/2003 10:40:13 AM PDT by I still care
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To: MoJo2001
Hugs, MoJo. Andrew was there for the troops this week - stood up in public and said, "No." Then followed through using his gift to clearly debunk the wanker talking points and give the troops a voice.

Next week, I'll disagree...and still be grateful. (^;

52 posted on 07/27/2003 10:41:19 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("For our soldiers, the global war on terrorism is personal." * Gen. John Keane, July 23, '03)
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To: Pokey78
sullivan hit so many nails on the head with this one, he could build a house.

Prairie
53 posted on 07/27/2003 3:43:41 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (May God bless our coaltion troops and their families.)
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To: George W. Bush
DU in pig latin is Uday...
54 posted on 07/27/2003 11:25:30 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Our man in washington; George W. Bush
Tune into Pacifica Radio, read Indymedia.org, the looney left are crazy and mean spirited.

They are at odds with America. Rush likes it when they get crazy because they take to the streets and the media covers them and everyone can see how crazy and extreme they are. I don't like it because it gives their movement momentum, puts a burden on the system (legal, security, etc.) and drags useful idiots down with it.

Anarchist-socialists be damned they are free to express their opinions (provided they don't follow their mantras and actually dismantle our constitutional government).

55 posted on 07/27/2003 11:42:19 PM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee; All
“It’s sad, really, that as despicable as they are, Saddam’s family seems to be the lesser of two evils when you compare them to the wretched little bastard occupying the White House and destroying America in the process . . .”


I swear to God that if I ever run across one of these DUmmies when I get back to the world I'm gonna choke them!!! They all ned to be flown over here and see first hand the poverty I see every day. See how well Saddam lived off of the backs of his people. THey need to experience the dangers that I do and maybe they'd have a different outlook on what we'e doing. But then again they might not.


Greetings from Baghdad!

56 posted on 07/28/2003 12:07:01 AM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: txradioguy
God bless you. Write Sullivan..you have the first hand experience.Stay safe.
57 posted on 07/28/2003 7:56:30 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
FYI see #56
58 posted on 07/28/2003 7:59:56 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: section9
The main reason why the Left hasn't appreciated the deaths of Uday and Qusay as A Good Thing (TM) is because these two were distant political relatives. Ba'athism is simply a version of Islamic Socalism that lost some of the "intellecutal purity" that the Left holds onto so dearly. They drifted from the "ideals" of Lennin and Marx but they're kissing cousins compared to Bush.

Since the fall of the Berlin wall and Peristrokia, "pure Communism / Socialism" has been hurtling towards exitinction. There is an ever decreasing number of countries that practice their backwards, oppresive form of government and they want to preserve this "way of rule" as if it were an endangered species. The Left wants to presever each and every freak of nature country that still follows their misfit mode of governance rather than let people be free.

59 posted on 07/28/2003 8:19:29 AM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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