Freeper Grassroots Movement to Re-Elect Bush

July 24, 2003 | nwrep

[nwrep]

I want to kick off a grass-roots movement to educate and inform discerning Democrats about the real nature of their party and am soliciting suggestions from Freepers. The reasons I am doing this are several, as listed below:

* I have several conservative Democrat friends who have always voted D, but who disagree with the stance of their party on issues like AA, tax-cuts, and regulations.

* These people do not understand that regardless of the "moderate" local Dem candidate they vote for, the party agenda is driven in Congress by an extremely liberal faction of the party.

* Case in point #1: I alerted one friend to Rep. Rangel's remarks about the death of Hussein's sons yesterday (Rangel said it was "illegal" for the US to kill them). The friend said he disagreed with Rangel, and the majority of the Dems would similarly disagree with the Congressman. I asked this friend if he knew who Rangel was. He had never heard of him. I informed him coolly that if the Dem regain the House, Rangel would become the Chairman of the powerful Ways and Means Cte., where all spending bills originate, and that he is one of the most influential members of his party in the House. The friend was shocked.

* Case in point #2: I asked another Dem friend what he thought of Kerry. He gave me a canned response about his Vietnam service, etc. I then asked him if he knew about his anti-Vietnam war stance. He said he did not, but that his parents (lifelong Dem voters like himself) hated Jane Fonda and everything she stood for. I then forwarded him the NewsMax expose of Kerr's Vietnam stance, his anti-war book, his rallies with Fonda and Ramsey Clark, and his statement to the US Senate in 1971. After reading all that, he said he was disgusted, and would forward it to his mother. He conceded that if Kerry were to be the nominee, he would vote for Bush.

* The problem is that these Dem voters are blissfully unaware of the voting records of their candidates and representatives. All they go by are finely crafted campaign statements issued during the last few weeks before the election where they pay homage to FDR, Truman and JFK. As a result, these dopey Dem voters (like my friends and their parents) continue voting for these candidates thinking they are voting for FDR/JFK-like candidates.

We need to educate these people and keep them as well informed as we Freepers are about the real day to day legislative agenda of the Rat Party. We need to highlight how they continue to vote against the best interest of these conservative, patriotic Democrats (like my friends) and how they continue to display hypocrisy by constantly changing their stance on major issues.

How do we do this?

[Jhoffa_]

...there are no clean hands. One of these days, and it probably won't be long, I'm going to kick the whole bunch of you off the forum so I can enjoy some peace and quiet.

This is really sad.

The one and only thing I miss about the Clinton years is the way people would scrap on one thread, and then agree on another, 5 minutes later.

The on-going "wars" were pretty much reserved for the Libertairan/WOD threads.. and even those were suprisingly civil by comparison.

Isn't there some way to resolve this without removing everyone who is either a "bushbot" or "anti-bush"

(I noticed that confining the Libertarian/WOD stuff to the RLC forum changed the tone around here allot. Maybe something like that? A division or seperation of some kind, seperate sand boxes or whatever.. )

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[Jhoffa_]

The on-going "wars" were pretty much reserved for the Libertairan/WOD threads.. and even those were suprisingly civil by comparison.

Well, if you consider calling people either "statist!" or "dopehead!" 3 or 4 times in a post to be civil.

[MissAmericanPie]

Do a google search, type in FTAA, it will take you to all you will ever want to know about the Free Trade Zone of the Americas. I urge you to take a careful look, read a few of the statements under the heading "Civil Society".

Get back to me.

[Southack]

You're ignoring my bet.

I've offered to carry the tag line of your choice if you can show me a single U.S. government site that defines a free trade zone as you claimed (i.e. "no sovereign borders").

Now, you don't even have to mirror that bet back to me, but it does say something about the level of confidence that you have in your own wild-eyed claims if you don't take the bet.

And if you can't back up your claim from post #164, then it will also say something about you if you fail to retract said unsupportable claim.

On the other hand, if you are correct in your claim, then you get to have me carrying the tag line of your choice from now until Friday.

Drum roll, please...

[MissAmericanPie]

What are you talking about? If you did what I asked it takes you directly to the FTAA site. Try http://www.ftaa-alca.org/alca_e.asp

This is the site of the treaty/organization the USofA is promoting an is a partner in developing. Read the list of nations.

[Bigg Red]

Your #42 well said, friend.

(I got her via your link from the "Dose".)

[Amelia]

Why are several of you so against the suggestion that people in other countries make their own countries right, fight for their own freedoms, instead of waiting for Americans to spill our blood for them or taking the easy way out and jumping on boats. I am sick of that sh*t, and I'm a veteran.

I didn't say what my opinion was on that. I was simply pointing out an apparent contradiction in your statements.

I guess it was okay for people to come to the United States then, but we need to put up the "No Vacancy" sign now?

And to get back to the point of this thread, if George Bush is unwilling to put up the No Vacancy sign and stick to it, you'd be unwilling to help re-elect him?

[joesbucks]

A reasonable candidate could make issues of the economy, if it remains as it is currently with pink slips continuing, if there is the continuing drip, drip of deaths in Iraq, if there is not an end in sight in Iraq, IF the WMD issue has legs and yes, even spending. But as I said, even if there were no major issues, but a more palatable candidate than Bush was out there, they would pulled aside and told in very specific terms that to run would be destruction.

[Southack]

I'm talking about the wild-eyed claim that you made in your post #164, where you asserted that the Federal government's official definition of a "free trade zone" was an area with "no sovereign borders."

Needless to say, I'm beginning to suspect that you are not prepared to support your claim with a legitimate government source, nor do you appear to be intellectually honest enough to recant your claim.

Telling me over and over and over again to go do my own search isn't going to cut it, dear. Either you can or can not show where a U.S. government web site defines a free trade zone as having "no sovereign borders."

So here again, as a matter of courtesy, I am giving you yet another chance to either substantiate your claim from Post #164 or else recant it and have the subject dropped (by me, at least).

[William Wallace]

(It's a little known fact that Braveheart had a gay lover.)

That rumor started because of Anne Heche. Actually, she dated the guy who played Indiana Jones.

Must be one of of those Al Pacino/Dustin Hoffman or Paul Newman/Steve McQueen mixups.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Oh crap! That was supposed to be private! Admin, pull this

[RedBloodedAmerican]

It didn't take long for the anti-Bush crowd to turn this into a thread that will get pulled. You might ask the Mods to start kicking people off who are trying to sink it and taking it off topic in an attempt to get this thread yanked. Great post, don't stop your efforts.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Great post, end of thread, IMO. Except for those who hate you enough for posting it to get you banned. What's their agenda? *nudge*nudge*wink*wink

[Sabertooth]

And I haven't the heart to tell them I am DD. hehehe

Oh, really? You all should work that out amongst yourselves.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Well, we flip a coin, daily. Sort of like when me, Texaggie and Sirgaywain shared a name.

[Howlin]

Bump!

[Mo1]

I asked people who were complaining about the current administration, what their solutions were, and what candidate they supported who would implement these solutions. I got many questions in return, but no answers.

If you ever get an answer, please ping me cause I would like to see that answer

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Typo! Got a Y in there somehow!! Sorry!

[Luis Gonzalez]

Tell you what.

Do you now, or have you ever had any accounts in this forum using a name other than Sir Gawain?

Would you object to having Jim confirm this?