Freeper Grassroots Movement to Re-Elect Bush

Your kid is interested in computers, wants to major in computer science in college. Then again, he thinks maybe electrical engineering is the way to go. He also likes history and philosophy, but is pretty sure that all you can do is teach if you get a degree in one of those areas. He thus rules them out, as he wants to be assured of getting work in the area of his degree.

What do you tell him? The computer jobs are going now. EEs are flipping burgers.

When it was just the steel mills, we shrugged and said, "Well, if the developing countries make steel, they'll have more money to buy the rest of our products. That will trigger a big world-wide trade economy and make jobs all around."

And it worked. So the next time a recession hit, we pumped a few more industrial jobs overseas. The term "Rust Belt," applied to the former industrial heartland areas of the US, entered the lexicon.

But high-tech was the answer. Let the low-tech stuff go; we'll still have the high-tech here.

The high-tech jobs are flying out so fast a lot of people won't have noticed before they're gone.

We're hitting the bottom of the jobs barrel, a place where the only job you can find is something that won't leave because it requires the laying on of hands. Most of that is what we once considered menial.

I don't see in your post where you're really waking up to this.

Not saying I have the answer, mind you. Hoping I'll know it if I ever see it.

Watching Rome Burn was an excellent title for your little dissertation Luis. While conservatism flickers it's last last glowing embers, people like you stand by clapping, or as it were playing your violin. You couldn't be more thrilled that true conservatives can't list one person who stands for most of their ideals any longer. And to you this is proof that your man, your ideology, your nation have been blessed.

In the year 2000, on this forum I predicted that conservatism just might suffer near total destruction if George Bush was elected. Boy were the hoots and wailings loud over that one. Today, less than two and one half years later we have almost no one at a national or even a local political level to stand up for conservative principles on most of these topics:

1. The sanctity of our sovereign borders.
2. The flawed ideology that sees people from terrorist states "STILL" able to immigrate here.
3. The inspection of goods into our nation still being executed at a rate of on 1 to 3%.
4. Ballooning federal expenditures that are with some exceptions, simply indefensible.
5. The proposals or support for "Great Society" programs that bear more connection to Roosevelt and Johnson than to Ronald Reagan.
6. A 70% increase in funding for a department of the federal government that indoctrinates our children with regard to homosexuality, socialism, the debasement of our founding fathers et all, but seldom teaches them the true value of our system of government, founding principles or culture. This same department does it's best to implement moral relativism, which implies that there is no right or wrong, it's all about self-respect, if you've got that then everything is fine. This same department has a hard time teaching our children to read or write or do math skills. In some areas of the nation, it just doesn't.
7. Massive financial support for a communist nation that has done more to destabilize the world than any other in the last decade.
8. The coddling of foreign leaders who criticize our laws and urge their citizens to disregard them, then damn our nation if it doesn't facilitate this activity or takes any measure at all to stop it.

Yes, this is something to be proud of Luis. Nobody stands up on each of these issues, although they are bedrock. Now there's something to crow about.

Instead of lamenting this situation, you run around this "conservative" forum crowing that this this is true and my isn't it grand. I'm hard pressed to imagine a Democrat doing any different.

Instead of acknowledging that it is a sad situation that there is no one who stands up on these issues, you damn the folks who say they won't support anyone who doesn't as being disruptive or destructive to a party that has already destroyed itself and is headed toward destroying something much more important.

Well, party hearty Luis. Things are certainly looking up for the ideals you stand for.

Someone that uses dishonesty to bolster their argument is not worth your time, D1.

(I think that's AAA's boy)

No way!

Al is MY boy!

#125 is for you too.

I don't see where you have proposed anything that can be viewed as even a semblance of a solution; other than having the Feds step in and ban the outsourcing of jobs by private industry.

Do you want to see that happen?

I don't, the Feds have no say so in the way I conduct my business, as long as I follow the rules.

Even if the Feds try that, what's to stop me from shutting down, going liquid, and re-opening in Indonesia?

The question that should be asked is WHY these companies are outsourcing?

They are outsourcing because the cost of Federal regulations, plus the salary expectations of Americans are making it impossible for them to compete with imports.

Should we then raise tariffs on imports to level the playing field?

Then you have American consummers beng penalized for the failure of American industries to compete.

We have to come up with ideas, not simply complaints.

How about no sales tax on American-made products?

By the way, I will (hopefully) teach my kids to compete at any level because there are no gurantees in this life.

Just as 1963 JFK was more conservative than 2003 Bush

That's scary. If both were running against each other, I might have to vote for JFK because he would be the better conservative???

Then you have American consummers beng penalized for the failure of American industries to compete.

One reason they can't compete is the government here does everything it can to make it difficult, unlike the business climate in China where the government actively promotes businesses. A tool and die shop in China will get full support by that government, the government will supply the building, the electricity needed but a small businessman trying to open or keep open a shop here has very high taxes to pay ---both for the business and the high income tax for labor. Plus all the many rules and regulations, OSHA will come in, look hard for a single violation and slap huge fines on that business.

Well, it's the guy that will wait until an appropiate candidate is "lofted up for us" to get involved.

Here you are, go find yourself a rooftop.

To: Luis Gonzalez

I'll be more than happy to support a conservative when one is eventually lofted for us to support again. Until then I'll keep reminding you that leftists are not conservative.

74 posted on 08/01/2003 10:14 PM EDT by DoughtyOne

Fiddle until we "loft" a candidate up to you, looks like the work has to be done by someone else, so that you can walk in and claim title to the victory.

No, it's just that the man you responded to is a Democrat.

I'll give Bush my support, if he fullfills one campaign promise, ending the partisanship in Washington. I even have a method for him to accomplish this task.

President Bush Resigns From Republican Party?

By: Matthew B. Rogers

Ever wonder what would happen if President Bush resigned from the Republican Party. I’m sure a Democrat would ridicule this statement and a Republican will probably resent the thought of the President betraying the Grand Old Party. It might be the quickest way to set our Nation back in the direction our Founding Fathers intended for the people of the United States.

I don’t remember a time in recent history when the Democratic Party has been as divided as it is now. Even in the City of Chicago we are seeing opposition within the ranks, traditionally the Clergy of Chicago has backed most Democratic Policies. Some among them are now starting to have new thoughts about the Government Entitlements delved out to the chosen few by Partisan Politicians. Their programs face extinction, unless they bow down to the demands of the favored, who don’t respect their values.

The current Daley administration has recently been accused of protecting the interests of developers, by neglecting law enforcement in certain neighborhoods, causing depreciated property values, and allowing large tracts to be purchased cheaply. Such accusations are nothing new in Chicago, but when the division takes prominence in the Chicago SunTimes, the Cities tribute to liberalism, we should pay attention.

Across our Nation core groups of liberal interests are seeing the depletion of their funding and facing extinction of their programs, while the favored few build super funds on the backs of the American Tax Payer. As the neglected groups scramble for the limited private funding available, they can start to rethink how our Tax & Spend Government limits the availability of such funds.

We have heard the arguments against School Vouchers, how they take funding away from Public Schools. Now the truth is coming out, Public Schools limit Private Funding and Educational Choice. Public Funding does not and will never, provide diversity in special interest programs, and the liberal belief that it will, is proof of their backward thinking.

President Bush appeals to these core liberal groups, because he has not closed the door on government funding, but has tried to incorporate diversity in Public Funding through his Faith Based Initiative. This program offends the far left because of the supposition of God in the title, but the Federal Entitlements it offers, will be too much for them to pass up, especially since the program will elevate environmentalism to the status of a Religion. The Entitlements also offend Constitutionalists and Libertarians and they are unlikely to back down, unfortunately that won’t be enough to stop its passing through Congress.

If the President resigned from the Republican Party, he could split many centrist Democrats who have been ignored by their own party. President Bush has successfully adapted many Democratic Policies. After he signed the compromise of his tax cut into law, the Democrats were quick to complain it cut out the Child Care Tax Credit. Instead of pointing out that the Democrats cut the funding of child care for people who pay no taxes, by not accepting his original proposal, the President encouraged the passage of a Child Care Bill so he could sign it into law and silenced the criticism from the Democrats.

The Democrats will also face the threat of having their constituency split during this campaign cycle by Ralph Nader, who has announced he is still leaning towards his own run for the Presidency. Nader draws upon the ignorance of the campus idealists, the front runners in the Democratic Primary are also leftist idealists who will have to compete with Nader for the campus vote.

By the time the election comes around the Democrats’ voter base will still be looking for an acceptable identity, that doesn’t make them look like a bunch of kitty whipped ineffectuals, who don’t deserve the respect needed to represent the People.

Many conservatives believe the President’s compromises have been little more than pandering, with the recent increase of Federal Spending, $15 billion for aids in Africa and offering Turkey $30 billion for an easement we didn’t need, while still neglecting to secure our own Borders. Many view the over 2 million foreigners on work visas currently in the country as unmanageable and a threat to the 8 million unemployed U.S. citizens. Some don’t believe the Presidents tax cuts will accomplish anything but encourage more foreigners to enter our Country and take more jobs away from citizens or cause more jobs to be outsourced over seas.

The President’s Policies have offended many conservatives the Democrats have offended many of their own. If Bush resigned from the Republican Party he would successfully split both parties and force all Americans to consider other alternatives to the 2 Party Monopoly that has been betraying our Freedoms for so long.

Don’t hold your breath for the President to resign the Republican Party, it could fulfill his greatest campaign promise; to end the partisanship in Washington. But it would take a lot of courage and a lot of love for one’s country to take the independent path to bring your Nation back to the security of its own Independence. The President could probably win on independent slate, and send an encouraging message about civic responsibility and there would probably be a record increase in voter turn out. He would make a lot of enemies amongst the Bureaucratic elite who love to spit on the people from their suites in D.C. while they feed off our tax dollars.

The reality is the intelligence of the American People may be too great a variable to risk such a move by the President. We have been dumbed down to the point that we may never be able to recognize when the opportunity arises to gain back our Freedoms and we may be collectively stupid enough to vote in favor of socialism. But if ever this Nation had a chance to silence the socialists’ debates in our Congress, and return to our Constitution, the moment has come.

The next 18 months promise to be very interesting, even for a freedom hating two party monopoly.

Sp Ron, elections are a little over a year away, who is your candidate?

So, what sort of country do you think this will be in 5 years if President Bush is reelected? Spanish as the primary language instead of the "Press 2 for Spanish", most white and blue collar jobs farmed out to other countries while the bulk of Americans are either working at Walmart or on the public dole?

That's the way I think we are headed, and I will reiterate my stand, If President Bush does not do something about Outsourcing and the Illegal immigrant problem by next election cycle, I will be casting my Presidential vote for the Constitution party, or something close to it. And you can bet I will be convincing quite a few others to do the same(Not that I really have to concidering most folks I talk to(Conservative by nature and vote), are very peeved about the afore mentioned problems.

And if you are not hearing it from the people around you then you do not live in an area that it affects, although at this point in time I doubt that kind of area exists.I don't happen to be a Red-Dog Republican, I am a "C-O-N-S-E-R-V-A-T-I-V-E).

Party on Luis.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951913/posts?page=124#124

"I'll give Bush my support, if he fullfills one campaign promise, ending the partisanship in Washington."

He is not playing partisan games, getting the other side to stop is another thing altogether, and it would require moral leadership from the DNC.

Pot...kettle...black.

BY the way...do you have the same to say for those who are dishonest at other levels, or in other cases, do you defend dishonest behavior?

(I am legion.)

Actually, you're a chronic violator of Free Republic's posting guidelines, operating under the dual premises that you can get away with that indefinitely, and that you can gloat about it in the forum with impunity.
Maybe so, maybe not.
Since you seem to require a double-standard, if the people who run this site want to maintain one for you, far be it from me to interfere.
Carry on.