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Lesbian pastor ruffles Southern Baptist tradition in Tenn.
Associated Press ^ | July 5, 2003 | Jim Patterson

Posted on 07/13/2003 1:43:26 PM PDT by nwrep

Lesbian pastor ruffles Southern Baptist tradition

Jim Patterson
Associated Press

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STANDING HER GROUND: April Baker, an associate pastor at Glendale Baptist Church in Nashville, Tenn., has brought condemnation upon the church from two Baptist conventions because she is a lesbian and her congregation has chosen to support her.

July 05, 2003 — 2:12 a.m.
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The sermon at Glendale Baptist Church one recent Sunday recalled how Jesus mingled with tax collectors and prostitutes, refusing to snub people for the unpopular things they did.

"What does it mean that God's love is for everyone?" preached Glendale member Eileen Campbell-Reed, a doctoral student in religion.

"What will happen when we move from the center to the margins, and make friends . . . with those that our society smugly thinks of as the disinherited and marginalized? What will happen when they become our heroes and heroines of friendship and faithfulness, forgiveness and grace?"

These were not rhetorical questions.

Listening in the front row in her black sacramental robe was April Baker — an unlikely combination of lesbian living openly with a partner and associate pastor of a Baptist church in the South.

Glendale's half-century associations with the Tennessee Baptist Convention and the Southern Baptist Convention have been dissolved over the past month because of Baker.

Baptist officials said the church's choice to support Baker, currently its only full-time minister, left them with no choice.

"In having a homosexual or lesbian minister, they are clearly endorsing homosexual behavior, and thus have defined themselves outside of the Southern Baptist Convention," said Richard Land, president of the SBC's public policy arm.

Glendale's 250-member congregation long ago forged bonds with more liberal Baptist umbrella organizations, including the Alliance of Baptists, Cooperative Baptist Fellowship and Baptist Peace Fellowship of North America.

But the church had belonged to the SBC and TBC since its founding in 1951. The loss of tradition hurts, as does the rejection, members of the congregation say.

At the Sunday service in a simple sanctuary decorated with homemade banners and mobiles of paper birds were a diverse mix of members — elderly people, a city councilman, a teenager with a mohawk and several children in Tennessee Titans jerseys.

Glendale has long been known as a liberal church, but not one that particularly caters to gays.

When the search process for an associate pastor turned up two of three candidates who disclosed they were lesbians, church leaders took the matter to the congregation. It decided to pick the best candidate for the job, regardless of sexual orientation.

Since hiring Baker last summer, the church has drawn unwanted attention from a local conservative talk radio show and pickets one Sunday by an anti-gay group.

Stewart Clifton, a lay leader, said Glendale wasn't out to court controversy.

"It's something we kind of fell into step by step," he said. "You don't ask people to apply, and based on something they have no control over, then say, 'Sorry, some extraneous thing is going to disqualify you.' "

Glendale bills itself as "A Caring Community of Equality and Grace." In the early 1970s, the church supported the desegregation of Nashville public schools and lost a large part of its membership.

Nationally, conservatives overpowered moderates and liberals to take over Southern Baptist leadership two decades ago. Since 1988 the denomination has severed ties with more than 10 other congregations over the issue of homosexuality.

"Not many Baptist churches — moderate, fundamentalist or otherwise — have openly lesbian staff members," said Bill Turner, a retired Baptist minister who headed the prominent South Main Baptist Church in Houston for 16 years. "Sexual identity is an issue that's been effectively dodged for some years. Even in moderate churches, there's usually a 'love the sinner, hate the sin' mind-set."

At the SBC's annual meeting in Phoenix last month, leaders proclaimed an initiative to help homosexuals "find freedom from this sinful, destructive lifestyle."

Baker, a 39-year-old graduate of the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, N.C., has worked as a counselor to women felons but never before held a minister's job.

She becomes visibly uncomfortable when asked about the controversy over her sexual orientation. She frowns and pauses several moments to gather her thoughts.

She says the denomination has "terribly wounded" gay people.

"I say that the Southern Baptist Convention left me, because the SBC as it is today is not the same spiritual and theological home in which I grew up," Baker said. "I think that there's a distinct call to the church to push the edges of inclusiveness."

When Kreis White's family was considering whether to join Glendale, he was told about Baker's sexual orientation. He didn't see it as relevant.

"My kids got to help in the soup kitchen yesterday, and Habitat for Humanity is a blast. The activism is what attracted me," he said.

Baker's sexual orientation is "such a small fraction of who she is," White said.

"She is also a Braves fan, which I find horribly compelling. She is a gifted speaker, a great pulpit speaker. She is a very spiritual leader for the kids."


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1 posted on 07/13/2003 1:43:26 PM PDT by nwrep
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2 posted on 07/13/2003 1:45:33 PM PDT by nwrep
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3 posted on 07/13/2003 1:46:14 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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4 posted on 07/13/2003 1:47:11 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: nwrep
Glendale's half-century associations with the Tennessee Baptist Convention and the Southern Baptist Convention have been dissolved over the past month because of Baker. Baptist officials said the church's choice to support Baker, currently its only full-time minister, left them with no choice.

When I read the title, I wondered why the SBC hadn't already disassociated itself. Good, they didn't waste any time.

Jesus died for all the lost, gays as well as straights. But the scripture is clear. Continuing in the gay lifestyle is incompatible with Christianity. It's a failure to submit to Jesus as the Lord of your life.

Ask any gay and he will tell you something like "I have to be true to myself". Forget his maker, he's focused on self.

5 posted on 07/13/2003 1:48:55 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: nwrep
Baptist officials said the church's choice to support Baker, currently its only full-time minister, left them with no choice. "In having a homosexual or lesbian minister, they are clearly endorsing homosexual behavior, and thus have defined themselves outside of the Southern Baptist Convention," said Richard Land, president of the SBC's public policy arm.

They've done more than that.

They've defined themselves out of the Christian religion.

6 posted on 07/13/2003 1:49:02 PM PDT by xzins
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To: nwrep
She is a gifted speaker, a great pulpit speaker. She is a very spiritual leader for the kids."

Spiritual is not the same as Christian. All of us are sinners, but one should draw the line at continuing in sin and denying that it is sin.

7 posted on 07/13/2003 1:53:27 PM PDT by Bismark (Do you understand "fish or cut bait?")
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To: nwrep
(The congregation) decided to pick the best candidate for the job, regardless of sexual orientation.

I can't imagine what the other candidates were like!

The church was rightly expelled from the Convention. However, look for the upcoming lawsuits which will force churches to hire such people. The lawsuits will no doubt come, and given the pathetic state of today's American jurisprudence will probably succeed.

Just because Sodom would be proud of such a state of affairs doesn't mean America should be.

8 posted on 07/13/2003 1:55:12 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Bismark
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Now I'm not a practicing Christian. Left the faith actively about a year and a half ago. So I couldn't quote bible versus in my arguments. However, I'm willing to defend the faith (more importantly the man himself) especially when questions of spirituality vs. faith and conviction come up. As you so simply pointed out they are not the same thing.
9 posted on 07/13/2003 1:57:33 PM PDT by JakeWyld
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To: nwrep
Narcissism-THE disease of the age.
10 posted on 07/13/2003 2:00:41 PM PDT by GatekeeperBookman
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To: nwrep
"What will happen when we move from the center to the margins, and make friends . . . with those that our society smugly thinks of as the disinherited and marginalized? What will happen when they become our heroes and heroines of friendship and faithfulness, forgiveness and grace?"

Well (just thinking out lout here) if the disinherited and marginalized become our heroes and heroines without repenting (recognizing that it's wrong to be a queer, or that there are qualifications to being a pastor, for example) and turning to Jesus Christ as their savior then I guess that means they will go to hell and probably lead a lot of people there with them.
11 posted on 07/13/2003 2:00:55 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay
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To: Gritty
Religion has always been an impediment to man's desires. Why else would it exist? The trick, and it is a huge trick, has been to convince people thay they no longer need to change their behavior, they only need to change the church.

Those of a certain age will remember laughing at Flip Wilson, the great comic, when he would explain things that he did with the phrase, "The devil made me do it."
12 posted on 07/13/2003 2:09:25 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: Bismark
She is a very spiritual leader for the kids.

That is all that matters to them. Notice how many people who defend homosexuals want them constantly around children, teaching them all about how they live and convincing them that they might be one as well.

If a straight guy wanted to be a leader to the Girl Scouts as badly as homosexual men want to be to the Boy Scouts, his entire life history would come under scrutiny.

13 posted on 07/13/2003 2:10:43 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: JakeWyld
These days, I've heard "spiritual" applied to things such as being at a rock concert to getting a bodily piercing. Some people increasingly want a New Age religion, devoid of judgments or restrictions. Just preach love and peace, that abortion and homosexuality are actually what God wants, and socialism, and forget all of that morality stuff and Jesus.
14 posted on 07/13/2003 2:14:05 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Gritty
The church was rightly expelled from the Convention. However, look for the upcoming lawsuits which will force churches to hire such people.

I am very concerned about this too. I think an attempt will be made in the near future (the next several years, maybe) to silence pastors who speak out against homosexual behavior. Possibly "hate crimes" law will be used as the excuse.

15 posted on 07/13/2003 2:18:03 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Paul Atreides
A female preacher, homosexuals in leadership postions, and sacramental robes? Yep, sounds like your run of the mill SBC.
16 posted on 07/13/2003 2:22:10 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: billhilly
Those of a certain age will remember laughing at Flip Wilson...

Then there are those of us of a certain age who remeber a pastor who liked to use Flip Wilson as an illustration fairly regularly. I don't remember the original, however.
17 posted on 07/13/2003 2:28:18 PM PDT by Gil4
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To: nwrep
No wonder that 'home churches' are growing by leaps and bounds, just like home schooling. Jesus warned us about apostate churches...they are here, and they are spreading like wildfire. I'm located in the Bible Belt, and I gave up trying to find a church several years ago.
18 posted on 07/13/2003 2:28:40 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Under the personal care of the Great Physician...full coverage.)
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19 posted on 07/13/2003 2:32:43 PM PDT by NeoCaveman ("I don't need the Bush tax cut. I never worked a f****** day in my life. Patrick Kennedy D-RI)
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Baker's sexual orientation is "such a small fraction of who she is," White said.

I doubt that.

20 posted on 07/13/2003 2:34:35 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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