[Bismark]

She is a gifted speaker, a great pulpit speaker. She is a very spiritual leader for the kids."

Spiritual is not the same as Christian. All of us are sinners, but one should draw the line at continuing in sin and denying that it is sin.

[JakeWyld]

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Now I'm not a practicing Christian. Left the faith actively about a year and a half ago. So I couldn't quote bible versus in my arguments. However, I'm willing to defend the faith (more importantly the man himself) especially when questions of spirituality vs. faith and conviction come up. As you so simply pointed out they are not the same thing.

[Paul Atreides]

She is a very spiritual leader for the kids.

That is all that matters to them. Notice how many people who defend homosexuals want them constantly around children, teaching them all about how they live and convincing them that they might be one as well.

If a straight guy wanted to be a leader to the Girl Scouts as badly as homosexual men want to be to the Boy Scouts, his entire life history would come under scrutiny.

[I still care]

Funny, in first Timothy "great speaker" is not mentioned as a qualification for being a Pastor......

Qualifications for Pastor from 1 Timothy 3...

THE SAYING is true and irrefutable: If any man [eagerly] seeks the office of bishop (superintendent, overseer), he desires an excellent task (work).

Now a bishop (superintendent, overseer) must give no grounds for accusation but must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, circumspect and temperate and self-controlled; [he must be] sensible and well behaved and dignified and lead an orderly (disciplined) life; [he must be] hospitable [showing love for and being a friend to the believers, especially strangers or foreigners, and be] a capable and qualified teacher,

Not given to wine, not combative but gentle and considerate, not quarrelsome but forbearing and peaceable, and not a lover of money [insatiable for wealth and ready to obtain it by questionable means].

He must rule his own household well, keeping his children under control, with true dignity, commanding their respect in every way and keeping them respectful.

For if a man does not know how to rule his own household, how is he to take care of the church of God?

He must not be a new convert, or he may [develop a beclouded and stupid state of mind] as the result of pride [be blinded by conceit, and] fall into the condemnation that the devil [once] did.(1)

Furthermore, he must have a good reputation and be well thought of by those outside [the church], lest he become involved in slander and incur reproach and fall into the devil's trap.