Lesbian pastor ruffles Southern Baptist tradition in Tenn.

Associated Press ^ | July 5, 2003 | Jim Patterson

[JakeWyld]

Peace, love, and plenty of immorality. LOL.

Perfect post. My thoughts exactly.

[Paul Atreides]

I believe that it is already happening in Canada and Europe.

[niteowl77]

I think an attempt will be made in the near future (the next several years, maybe) to silence pastors who speak out against homosexual behavior.

The ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) is already there. Any pastor who vociferously complains about the pro-homosexual agenda within the denomination to the hierarchy up in Mpls is told to shut up and roll over.

I know of one who is very saddened about the situation, but rather than fight (admittedly fighting the inevitable), he keeps his job and looks the other way... assuring his flock that the wolves aren't really carnivores.

[squidly]

"However, look for the upcoming lawsuits which will force churches to hire such people. The lawsuits will no doubt come, and given the pathetic state of today's American jurisprudence will probably succeed."

"Congress shall make no lie respecting an establishment of religion." I'd think that is supposed to include hiring practices of religious organizations, but who knows with our current system of governance by judicial whim.

[joesnuffy]

No wonder that 'home churches' are growing by leaps and bounds, just like home schooling. Jesus warned us about apostate churches...they are here, and they are spreading like wildfire. I'm located in the Bible Belt, and I gave up trying to find a church several years ago.,/i>

Amen

[longtermmemmory]

The sermon at Glendale Baptist Church one recent Sunday recalled how Jesus mingled with tax collectors and prostitutes, refusing to snub people for the unpopular things they did.
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They homosexuals pervert everything. The point was the message of change from sinful ways taken TO the sinners. Is this case is this woman going to stop having lesbian sex? Is she going to seek counseling to change her lifestyle? Christ message was to change yourself AWAY from evil.

(h)I was born a smoker, but it has not been easy but I have quit smoking.(/h)

[gcruse]

Then there are those of us of a certain age who remeber a pastor who liked to use Flip Wilson as an illustration fairly regularly. I don't remember the original, however.

Are you talking about Brother Dave Gardner?

[longtermmemmory]

Another reason to write to your SENATORS and let them know you want them to vote for the Federal Marriage Amendment.

If they voted for DOMA they can vote for FMA.

[gcruse]

I had 'support home churching' as a tagline for a while.
I got enough grief over it to dump it.

[DannyTN]

"That is all that matters to them.

I had heard maybe 3-4 years ago that this church was having trouble. Someone told me that fired a preacher that was a true man of God because he wasn't "dynamic" enough. I guess they were in more trouble than I realized.

It's actually really scary how quickly a church can go bad, if they hire a bad pastor. A bad pastor can bring in new members closer to his ideology and run off enough good members. By the time the core membership of the church wakes up to what's happening it's often too late.

A church needs a good core membership of mature christians that are loyal to the church and won't run off the first dispute they have with a pastor, but rather will stay and fight for the church. A deacon body needs to be quick to fire a pastor if they start teaching things that are in conflict with the Bible.

[DannyTN]

"I say that the Southern Baptist Convention left me, because the SBC as it is today is not the same spiritual and theological home in which I grew up," Baker said. "I think that there's a distinct call to the church to push the edges of inclusiveness."

She's talking out of both sides of her mouth. On the one hand she claims the church has changed (not true) but then she calls for "pushing the edges of inclusiveness".

[CARepubGal]

Good for the SBC.

[CARepubGal]

Well said. And welcome back!

[I still care]

Funny, in first Timothy "great speaker" is not mentioned as a qualification for being a Pastor......

Qualifications for Pastor from 1 Timothy 3...

THE SAYING is true and irrefutable: If any man [eagerly] seeks the office of bishop (superintendent, overseer), he desires an excellent task (work).

Now a bishop (superintendent, overseer) must give no grounds for accusation but must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, circumspect and temperate and self-controlled; [he must be] sensible and well behaved and dignified and lead an orderly (disciplined) life; [he must be] hospitable [showing love for and being a friend to the believers, especially strangers or foreigners, and be] a capable and qualified teacher,

Not given to wine, not combative but gentle and considerate, not quarrelsome but forbearing and peaceable, and not a lover of money [insatiable for wealth and ready to obtain it by questionable means].

He must rule his own household well, keeping his children under control, with true dignity, commanding their respect in every way and keeping them respectful.

For if a man does not know how to rule his own household, how is he to take care of the church of God?

He must not be a new convert, or he may [develop a beclouded and stupid state of mind] as the result of pride [be blinded by conceit, and] fall into the condemnation that the devil [once] did.(1)

Furthermore, he must have a good reputation and be well thought of by those outside [the church], lest he become involved in slander and incur reproach and fall into the devil's trap.

[drstevej]

The expression on the face of the pic in post #19 says it all! (I don't endorse the language on the pic)

[drstevej]

***Baker's sexual orientation is "such a small fraction of who she is," White said.***

Then she should forsake this "small fraction" and follow the Bible she pretends to believe.

I too think this statement is a blatant lie.

[who knows what evil?]

I had 'support home churching' as a tagline for a while. I got enough grief over it to dump it.

"If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you." John 15:18 I've gotten so much more out of studying Scripture on my own or with a few others in home fellowship than I have under the roof of a traditional church it isn't even funny. Frankly, I don't give a whit what others think of people who "church" at home. I'm not here to please them.

[Marathoner]

My thoughts exactly!!!

[longtermmemmory]

substitute any other fetish for lesbian

Just because she is a pedofile that is only a small part of what she is.

Just because she is a swinger that is only a small part of what she is.

Just because she is a crack addict that is only a small part of what she is.

Just because she is a heroine user that is only a small part of what she is.

Just because she is a professional prostitutite in nevada that is only a small part of what she is.

Just because she is a clinical nymphomaniac that is only a small part of what she is.

Just because she is a democrat who voted for algore and call GWB selected not elected that is only a small part of what she is.