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No Troops To Liberia (Vanity)

Posted on 07/02/2003 3:15:35 PM PDT by faithincowboys

We're all ready over-extended, it is vital we do what's needed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Adding Liberia to our list of responsibilities is insane. On the heels on the huge expanision of entitlements, this President is not doing what he should. He gets no credit for letting Ted Kennedy write the Education bill, $15 billion to African anti-Aids effots gets him nothing but dissed by Mandela. Sending our boys to Liberia will result in a Somailia or Beirut incident-- the American people and the military families don't want this. Also Bush will not win any points from the liberal media. It seems like he is determined to relive his father's experience. Isn't a humanitarian force to Liberia very similar to the Somailia op in his father's term? What's next a plan to puke on Japanese dignitaries? Karl Rove needs to get a clue.

Bush needs to restrain spending, stop placating the liberals, understand that the liberals in the media are committed to his destruction and that no amount of Alan ALda/Jimmy Carter humanitarian bs in Africa is gonna make the media like him, also he needs to stop screwing with the farmers in Klamath Falls, Oregon-- the media is gonna portray him as an anti-environment nut anyway.

Bush and Co. need to do what's right, stick to priniciple, understand their enemy, and stop the bs. Get serious.


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To: faithincowboys
Adding Liberia to our list of responsibilities is insane.

Liberia was on our list of responsibilities a long time ago. This is not a new addition.

21 posted on 07/02/2003 4:15:31 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: kesg
I doubt that we are overextended, but I cannot think of any vital US interest at stake in Liberia. Can anyone else?

Exactly!
We don't seem to be concerned with even the "pretense" of adhering to the Constitution anymore :-(

22 posted on 07/02/2003 4:17:04 PM PDT by evad (Hitlary..lying..It's WHAT she does, it's ALL she does and she WON'T stop...EVER!!)
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To: faithincowboys
they will shoot at our people in a minute.

This is more a diplomatic issue than anything else.

Taylor has said he will go, there are other African nations who want to try him in the ICC, and he won't leave because of that.

This is one of the fruits of that ridiculous ICC: dictators who will die in place, and take as many of their people with them as they can, rather than take exile, because they're afraid the "international community" will come after them.

23 posted on 07/02/2003 4:17:48 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: blackdog
I think we are already exposed to these people in Afghanistana and Iraq-- I think opening a new, weakly defended fron would be counter productive. You and I know that we aren't going to stay there until it's stabilized. There will be absolutely zero support to stay in Liberia for the long haul. So if we're gonna pull out with a bloody nose, let's not go and make the terrorists think we're back in pre 9-11 form. We need to be fierce, not follish!
24 posted on 07/02/2003 4:18:29 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: faithincowboys
All, I'm saying is-- No troops to Liberia!! Al Qaeda will hit us hard there and there is not a damn thing in it for us!

If Al Qaeda is in Liberia, you just convinced me of the necessity to go in. Didn't we pledge to wipe out Al Qaeda after 9/11? No place to run, no place to hide. We will follow Al Qaeda wherever they go. And any nation that harbors them is the enemy.

Neither you or I are in a position to know but if I had to guess, I would say that our military is far from being overextended. Did we not dislodge the Saddam regime in less than a month? Sure, there is some sloppy mopping up to do but all in all, huge success. Whatever military resources we need to handle the Liberia situation will be a fraction of those that we used against Iraq.

All I ask as a taxpayer and an American is that if we go in there, we do the job right.

BTW, Africa is such a hell-hole, isn't it? If I was a black American, I'd be thanking myself everyday that my ancestors were taken over here instead of left over there.

25 posted on 07/02/2003 4:22:17 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Back in boot camp! 256 (-44))
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To: evad
I think you missed the news... the Constitution is dead. Now the Supreme Court writes the laws, and the legislature holds trials.
26 posted on 07/02/2003 4:26:44 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The Constitution is dead. We're on our own now.)
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To: blackdog
If we know Al-Queda is in Liberia and do not go there to kill, what message does that send to the Arab world?

I've read and heard there are Al Queda cells in Detroit yet I haven't seen or heard of any action, military or otherwise, there. So what kind of message does that send ???

27 posted on 07/02/2003 4:26:52 PM PDT by varon
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To: blackdog
If we know Al-Queda is in Liberia and do not go there to kill, what message does that send to the Arab world?

They're talking about sending 500-1000 men. What kind of message does it send to the world if we send in a puny little force, without proper heavy equipment back-up, whose sole purpose is to hold the coats of the French and hand out candy bars to the kids during the occassional photo-op, and all the while al Qaeda is shipping terrorists and weapons into the country, forming up it's newest base of operations, and recruiting new members to carry out attacks on our people? Somalia redux. Except it will be even worse, since we will have the EU socialists actively collaborating with the enemy, handing out all kinds of intelligence in exchange for promises to only attack US targets.

And you know this is what's going to happen - if we go in there with any serious force, or undertake any serious ops designed to root out and destroy enemy forces, the liberals, the State Dept., the media and the UN pukes will screech and cry and rail against US "imperialism." And all the while leftist scum like Fat Teddy, the Stainmeister and Howie Dean will be gleefully waiting for the video of our guys' corpses being dragged through the streets, just in time for the election.

Going into Liberia will make the Somalia fiasco look like a model of smart operational planning.

28 posted on 07/02/2003 4:27:07 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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To: faithincowboys
Your points are valid and noted. But I disagree with them entirely in a world void of human value. There is not here.

One must study the history and thinking process of those who could and would want to do you harm. Once you face the terms of their driving force that causes them to behave the way they do you must deal with them in terms familiar to their way of life(or death).

Most the world is no better than tribal bands, feeding on each other. If the conflict is not in Europe, some of Asia, Some of South America, or on the Isle of Guernsey, the only solution is horrible devastation. It's all they know. Just because they have a seat and an office at the United Nations does not make them civilized or human.

29 posted on 07/02/2003 4:30:46 PM PDT by blackdog (Who weeps for the tuna?)
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To: HAL9000
So why have we been letting it go to Hell for decades. i say continue the neglect. By the way, wasn't it founded by people that thought they could create a more equitable society than America's. I don't recall us every asking the UK to bail us out, of course it was the other way around.
30 posted on 07/02/2003 4:31:22 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: blackdog
My point exactly, and we're not Sparta. We are in many respects a softer nation (thanks to the Liberals) and I would not send my son to die for Liberia ( a hopeless case) where there are no national interests at stake, while we are already up to our necks in Afghanistan and Iraq. Maybe I would be for it, if we weren't dying in and trying to rebuild two other countries. Iraq and Afganistan are hopless enough, we don't need troops in the middle of a West African civil war.
31 posted on 07/02/2003 4:35:54 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: CFC__VRWC
Is the enemy our congress, the media, the UN, or public opinion? They may be to a lesser degree, but a nations leaders cannot weigh those factors when making military decisions as make or break components. They must do what needs to be done and when they do it, it must be done on a large scale, and depart in the same fashion.

Once the first candybar comes out, we become confused and so do the friggin natives.

32 posted on 07/02/2003 4:38:41 PM PDT by blackdog (Who weeps for the tuna?)
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To: faithincowboys
"Your weak feminine admission that you pathetic imperialist crusaders are up to your neck in the pointless struggle against our Islamic brothers in Iraq and Afghanistan who are brave enough to carry out Jihad against the great satan and his minions is duely noted.

"Glorious victory is at hand thanks to Allah and our martyrs. The Americans are terrified about even facing our brothers in Liberia. - Abdul-ahman Aziz.

Get my point?

33 posted on 07/02/2003 4:45:19 PM PDT by blackdog (Who weeps for the tuna?)
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To: blackdog
Give me a break, please.

So let's invade Eqypt, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, and France. The terrorits will call us wusses if we don't invade every Muslim and African country.

Please!
34 posted on 07/02/2003 4:47:44 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: SamAdams76
All I ask as a taxpayer and an American is that if we go in there, we do the job right.

If I had faith that the job would be done right, I would be a lot more agreeable to sending troops in there. I believe that President Bush will want to do the job right, but I also believe that there are lots of others who will want the mission to be a total and abject failure, with lots of messy US casualties, so that

a. the US will be "properly" humbled and humiliated, and
b. President Bush will be severely damaged politically going into the 2004 elections.

Since these people infest every level of the media, the State Department, the EU, the Democratic Party and the UN, they can bring enormous pressure to bear on Bush whenever he takes any kind of action that threatens to harm their interests (that is, of course, any action which helps our troops accomplish their mission). I do not underestimate the depths of depravity, perversion and outright hatred for America that these people will sink to in their unbridled lust for power.

35 posted on 07/02/2003 4:48:00 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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To: kesg
Liberia was a US founded slave repatriation 'center' and also it has natural resources. The only time the US ever intervenes is when its own interests (money or life) is at stake. Also, the christian populace is being overrun by (whoelse?) muslims.
36 posted on 07/02/2003 4:50:55 PM PDT by cyborg (I'm a mutt-american)
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To: faithincowboys
So why have we been letting it go to Hell for decades. i say continue the neglect.

That was Clinton's policy for Afghanistan too, and you can see where it's gotten us. Willful neglect is no longer an option.

Intervention is Liberia is completely justifiable under the Bush Doctrine of preemption. For our national security, it's better to prevent a problem from occurring than to react to one after it has occurred.

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." - Benjamin Franklin

37 posted on 07/02/2003 4:51:12 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: blackdog
Is the enemy our congress, the media, the UN, or public opinion?

I would say, maybe the Senate, yes, yes and it's too early to tell.

The only important "enemy" in this equation would be public opinion. Once support for the mission goes away, our chances of success plummet to near zero. Unfortunately, the lesser enemies you cite know this all too well, and would invest all their time and energy into turning public opinion against the Administration. A nation's leaders cannot make these considerations the make or break conditions for engaging in action, as you correctly point out, but they certainly cannot totally dismiss them either.

With the 9/11 attacks and Saddam, the actions in Afghanistan and Iraq pretty much sold themselves. The public didn't need much convincing that these were worthwhile jobs to undertake. Liberia is going to be a much harder sell, and as a result public support will be much more fragile.

38 posted on 07/02/2003 4:58:52 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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To: faithincowboys
Send the troops in to Liberia!
39 posted on 07/02/2003 5:04:58 PM PDT by Pro-Bush
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To: faithincowboys
Sudan, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon have come a long way toward complete cooperation since we emptied some B-52's and raized some terrain. Well why do you think? Syria actually is helping us as much as they can considering their populace. As for Iran, sure......If the Mullah's are not impaled on pikes by the people. Islamic Clerics at the nuclear button cannot take place.

As for France, as soon as my kids cubscout troop gets back from airgun practice they'd be happy to go straighten Chretien out.

40 posted on 07/02/2003 5:10:09 PM PDT by blackdog (Who weeps for the tuna?)
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