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Homosexuals Push for Same-Sex Marriage After Sodomy Ruling
CNSNews.com ^ | 6/27/03 | Robert B. Bluey

Posted on 06/27/2003 2:19:02 AM PDT by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - Hours after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a Texas sodomy statute, homosexual activists proclaimed their next target would be to overturn a host of laws they view as discriminatory, including those that limit marriage to opposite-sex couples.

Even before the court's 6-3 ruling extended privacy rights to homosexuals, conservatives and pro-family advocates warned that such a decision would lead to an erosion of traditional values. Now, they said, it is even more important to fight back.

"This is a major wake-up call," said the Rev. Louis P. Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition. "This is a 9/11, major wake-up call that the enemy is at our doorsteps."

Sheldon predicted that laws prohibiting same-sex marriage would be one of the first targets, followed by efforts to spread the homosexual message to public schools and force the business community to hire a sexually diverse workforce.

"This decision will open a floodgate," Sheldon said. "This will redirect the stream of what is morally right and what is morally wrong into a deviant kind of behavior. There is no way that homosexuality can be seen other than a social disorder."

For the legal team that convinced the Supreme Court to reverse its 17-year-old decision in Bowers v. Hardwick, Thursday's ruling was a long-awaited and much-welcomed relief. Homosexuals and their supporters celebrated the ruling in 35 cities Thursday night.

Among the 13 states with sodomy statutes before Thursday, only four singled out homosexuals, including the now-defunct Texas law. The two men arrested for having sex, John G. Lawrence and Tyron Garner, were caught in the act after a neighbor filed a false report that an armed man was "going crazy" inside Lawrence's apartment. The 1998 incident worked its way to the Supreme Court.

Now that the court has ruled that these sodomy laws are unconstitutional, homosexuals are prepared to eliminate other forms of discrimination, said Ruth Harlow, lead attorney for Lawrence and Garner and legal director at the homosexual advocacy group, Lambda Legal.

Harlow said discrimination in marriage laws and by the U.S. military would be two of their targets.

"By knocking out both sodomy laws and the justification of morality, this decision makes it much harder to defend those discriminatory schemes," she said. "The actual answer for those issues will be saved for another day."

Even though the decision was based on the right to privacy and not equal protection under the law, Harlow still called it a resounding victory. She said it "very strongly recognizes gay people's equal humanity" and guarantees homosexuals the equal rights under the Constitution.

While disappointed by the decision, Tom Minnery, vice president of public policy for Focus on the Family, said the fact that the court relied on privacy might be the "silver lining" for conservatives.

"The court based all of its decision on the right of privacy," he said. "It did not find a fundamental right for homosexuals to commit homosexual acts. We feared they would find that, and they did not. It's the same flimsy principle they used to decide abortion is constitutional."

Still, there are threats to traditional family values as a result of the ruling, said Robert Knight, director of Concerned Women for America's Culture & Family Institute.

"Expanding the right of privacy indefinitely will lead to a challenge of marriage," he said. "It will jeopardize all the other sex-based laws, everything pertaining to incest, bigamy and prostitution. There really is no logical stopping point.

"They have given away the premise that a community can govern itself and set up a moral foundation for how people live," he added. "It's really a sweeping and radical decision."

Some conservatives said it was especially disappointing that Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, one of President Ronald Reagan's appointees, wrote the decision. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, another Reagan appointee, filed a separate concurring opinion.

"This case today, I think, provides a prime example of the court rewriting the law based on their own understanding of the prevailing winds of cultural fashion rather than actual precedent in the Constitution or the law," said Peter Sprigg, director of the Family Research Council's Center for Marriage and Family Studies.

Conservatives pointed to Justice Antonin Scalia's dissent as one of the lone highlights. In it, Scalia warned that the court's reasoning "leaves on pretty shaky grounds state laws limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples."

Harlow said Scalia was out of touch with most Americans. She also said people with strong Christian views are outnumbered by a majority of Americans who opposed these sodomy laws.

"They are more and more being pushed to the sidelines," she said. "We don't have any problems with individuals making their own choices and having their own religious views. But in our country, a minority of individuals cannot dictate those views for the whole country."

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To: God_Hates_Liberals
All it says is that you can't enslave your own countrymen.
101 posted on 06/27/2003 10:45:23 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: irish_links
The only way to counter the extra-constitutional activism of the Supreme Court is to exercise our franchise through the Amendment process.

That will not solve the problem. The courts can simply use your new amendment to do whatever they want.

That is like asking a molestation victim to confess his sin to the priest who molested him.

The problem is an activist judiciary with lifetime tenure and no legislative review.

102 posted on 06/27/2003 10:45:35 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Claud
This isn't a religious argument but a legal one—-simply because that's the way the Founders set up our government.

But it necessarily is a religious argument because you're making the assumption that "our Creator" is the Judeo-Christian God as you understand him to be today. Your god may not grant the "right to sodomy" but my god or someone else's god may. Plenty of your fellow citizens do not agree with your understanding of who "our Creator" is.

Now, you can argue that "our Creator" should be the God that the framers believed in, but that creates other problems for your argument:

First of all, not all of the framers of the Constitution shared the same idea of God. These were men who held widely divergent views on religion.

Second, if you believe that only the rights that should be recognized today are the ones that the framers understood their God to have granted, then you have marginalized yourself so far out of the mainstream of American society that you don't have any hope of having any real political influence. For example, if you believe only those rights that the framers understood at the time, then you don't believe married women have the right to own property, you don't believe black people are full persons, you don't believe married couples have a right to use contraception.
103 posted on 06/27/2003 10:47:17 AM PDT by Dilly
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To: pram
They just want to declare war on the natural order.

Precisely

It is the decay of the West.

104 posted on 06/27/2003 10:49:37 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: kattracks
Constitutional Amendment NOW !
105 posted on 06/27/2003 10:50:26 AM PDT by ChadGore (Piss off a liberal: Hire Someone.)
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To: logic101.net
what goes on between consenting adults is not the business of government.

Hmmm ... does that include incestuous of-age relationships, requests for life-endangering torture, bondage and voluntary slavery ... how about drug use behind closed doors?

106 posted on 06/27/2003 10:54:02 AM PDT by _Jim (The MOTHERLOAD of conspiracy writings - http://home.swipnet.se/allez/Links.htm)
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To: notyourregularhandle
My opinion follows. Who cares if they marry? Who cares if they have sex?

I take it you are not a religeous person, follow no particular norms in that regard ...

107 posted on 06/27/2003 10:56:57 AM PDT by _Jim (The MOTHERLOAD of conspiracy writings - http://home.swipnet.se/allez/Links.htm)
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To: God_Hates_Liberals
Romans also include fornication between hetros. Should that be illegal as well?

IT IS in Church Law/teachings - do you think that also needs to exist codified in civil law?

108 posted on 06/27/2003 10:59:15 AM PDT by _Jim (The MOTHERLOAD of conspiracy writings - http://home.swipnet.se/allez/Links.htm)
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To: epluribus_2
Have you seen evidence of any gay organizations calling for "gay affirmative action" or are you just articulating your own fears?
109 posted on 06/27/2003 11:01:39 AM PDT by Dilly
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To: af_vet_1981
" You are uncomfortable with the logical outcome of their nonsense because you haven't figured out how to sell it yet. Just how do animals give you consent to kill and eat them ?"

You claim a "logical outcome" of the supremes ruling to be that they must abolish animal sex/rape and child sex/rape laws. But Child rights are constitutionally protected, so your child rape analogy is non-sense.

Animal husbandry (no pun intended) contributes to public welfare and would be a significant blow to the liberty if outlawed so states are not free to so so. But torturing animals (by making one your "husband") has no contribution to public welfare, and states are free to outlaw it. Homosexual sex also has no benefit to society, but it's exceptionally important to the liberty of homosexuals, so the states are not free to outlaw it.

The "logical outcome" of the issues you present support the supremes' decision.

110 posted on 06/27/2003 11:04:31 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: notyourregularhandle
Because it will be the starting point to a complete redefinition of marrige: first marriage for same sex couples, then marriage for threesomes, foursomes, fivesomes, man and beast, woman and beast, etc. The basic meaning of marriage will be destroyed, along with the family.

111 posted on 06/27/2003 11:07:35 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: af_vet_1981
"What is your source for this ?"

It has been commonly know for centuries. We've later learned that sexual procreation involves a matching of genes into a double helix, and that people have many flawed jeans that don't work as the should. When the bonds takes place, the working gene dominates. But when people are closely related, they share the same non-working genes and defects are not corrected by the other partner's DNA.

112 posted on 06/27/2003 11:10:27 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: notyourregularhandle
How does it affect you if a gay person gets married?

It doesn't, but the haters will never admit this.

Personally, I think the fixation some self-styled Christians have with other people's sexual habits is unwholesome. We should pass a statute to keep them away from the children.

Trace

113 posted on 06/27/2003 11:11:28 AM PDT by Trace21230 (Ideal MOAB test site: Paris)
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To: epluribus_2
If there are gay marriages, there will be no procreation.

No, of course not. You see, people everywhere will stop wanting to have children if gays have the right to marry. /sarcasm

Trace

114 posted on 06/27/2003 11:12:54 AM PDT by Trace21230 (Ideal MOAB test site: Paris)
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To: pram
"1. How do you know that 90% of the posters and "99%" of the emotion (is it wrong to feel strongly about someting?) comes from so-called fundamentalist Christians? 2.Is it wrong to be religious? Does this disqualify one from a debate? 3.And how do you know there aren't health care workers among them? "

1)Observation and no. 2) No 3) I said there were some among them.

115 posted on 06/27/2003 11:13:31 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: Claud
"Human rights come from God "

From an Objectivist perspective, human rights come from their creator as well, "reality".

116 posted on 06/27/2003 11:15:18 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2
But Child rights are constitutionally protected, so your child rape analogy is non-sense.

Which amendment precludes the courts themselves (they think they are the law, and so above it; they twist it to their own purpose) or the states (Vermont could do it first) from dropping the age of consent to puberty and allowing libertines consentual relations with these new adults ?

How is it rape if they drop the age of consent ? It is not illegal now for a 70 yo to know an 18 yo. In a nation without morality (a homosexual republic), the other taboos are sure to tumble. NAMBLA will love their ruling, perhaps even more than you. It gives them a case for their right to privacy.

How is it torture to give pleasure to an animal instead of killing and eating it ? People are allowed (for now) to own pets. They pet and scratch them. How can O'Connor and Kennedy deny the Bestiality Boys their right to privacy ?

Lawyers and unrighteous judges are the leading cause of our Republic's decline. They should know better and willfully lead us to social disaster.

117 posted on 06/27/2003 11:15:30 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: elfman2
It has been commonly know for centuries that homosexuality is a unnatural deviation that should be legally proscribed. Yet still they come ...

We've later learned that sexual procreation involves a matching of genes into a double helix, and that people have many flawed jeans that don't work as the should. When the bonds takes place, the working gene dominates. But when people are closely related, they share the same non-working genes and defects are not corrected by the other partner's DNA.

Yes, yes, but where are your statistics and compelling case to deny a lawyer's clients their right to privacy ? Why must you intrude into the bedroom of consenting adults ... ?

118 posted on 06/27/2003 11:19:17 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: The Old Hoosier
Oh really. That's interesting.
119 posted on 06/27/2003 11:23:35 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: elfman2
From an Objectivist perspective, human rights come from their creator as well, "reality".

Our Creator is the same as your "reality"--except that Reality is a Somebody, not a something. "I am who am." Base all your knowledge of reality on science you'll be changing your conception as fast as your underwear. Most physicists before 1960 believed in a steady state universe, and most zoologists before 1850 believed in the fixity of species.

120 posted on 06/27/2003 11:25:29 AM PDT by Claud
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