[Pubbie]

"the House decision — in which the Republican leadership averted defeat by a single vote — established that the White House no longer has the Re publican votes to push through its larger plans to amnesty 3 million illegal Mexican "guestworkers" as a favor to Mexico's President Fox."

Some people didn't believe me when I said the House GOP was ready to rebel against Karlos Rova's amnesty plan in August 2001.

But this article clearly shows the majority of elected Republicans know damn well that Hispanics, particularly Mexicans, will never vote GOP.

Fortunately it's not too late for the GOP to save itself by changing Legal hispanic immigration.

[NewRomeTacitus]

If the US government granted blanket amnesty chaos would ensue due to the sheer, overwhelming numbers of illegal aliens. Local and Federal bureaucracies would be forced to expand just to process them all. Wouldn't that be great for California's budget?

[NewRomeTacitus]

If the US government granted blanket amnesty chaos would ensue due to the sheer, overwhelming numbers of illegal aliens. Local and Federal bureaucracies would be forced to expand just to process them all. Wouldn't that be great for California's budget?

[gubamyster]

ping

[Cyber Liberty]

I think O'Sullivan's right. We should restrict the Conservative movement to white guys. Screw trying to get anybody else in, let's just figure out how to keep "them" from voting.

< /sarcasm > (for those of you not-too-brights out there)

Geesh. People read O'Sullivan and assume we're a bunch of crackers.

[The Iguana]

Well - what a depressing article.

[Diddle E. Squat]

A rather pathetic spin attempt. This article is very outdated, Sanchez got his butt whipped in the election by Republican Rick Perry, despite Perry being, um, less than charismatic(to be charitable). Kinda silly to conclude that Dems won't go GOP by analyzing a DEMOCRAT primary.

Tancredo types might have a measure of credibility if they stuck to facts and didn't stoop to obvious exaggerations and fear mongering.

[JohnnyZ]

But this article clearly shows the majority of elected Republicans know damn well that Hispanics, particularly Mexicans, will never vote GOP.

Of course not. Because their skin is not white. The Republican Party is only for white people with white hoods, and it's time we all faced up to that fact /sarcasm

[KellyAdmirer]

Because Hispanic voters lean to the Democrats on economic and social grounds, the GOP would have to change almost all its policies (on taxes, welfare, regulation, labor law) to have any hope of attracting Hispanic crossovers in the long term.

One could say pretty much the same thing about Jewish, Black, feminist, gay voters. Maybe true, maybe not, but either way a depressing way to look at it.

[TLBSHOW]

But unless the Bush administration wakes up to the electoral impact of continuing immigration, the most the GOP can hope for is to slow the pace of its decline.

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[rdb3]

(A Look Back on the Failed History of Hispandering)

Nice switch of the article title.

[Ohioan]

There are a number of absolutely idiotic concepts in what has been a strategy widely attributed to Karl Rove. If Rove really believes that a liberal immigration policy with respect to lower class Mexicans makes sense, he is pathologically dangerous, not only to the future of the Republican Party, but what is far more important, to the future of the United States of America. Let me mention but the most obvious--and most inane of those concepts:

1. That there is such a thing as an Hispanic vote. Only someone pathologically unwilling to look at reality--someone enslaved with low level verbal analysis rather than observation--would fail to understand that the middle-class Cuban exiles from Communism and the Spanish landowners, we acquired with the South West, and the middle class Americans, born of one of several Spanish speaking backgrounds, have absolutely nothing in common with the unskilled and semi-skilled, lower class Mestizos, flooding over the Southern border, seeking unskilled jobs. While a Republican strategy can well be devised to increase the Republican vote among the first three groups, there is no Republican strategy that will long succeed with the last group, other than one that absolutely abandons every other major constituency in the Republican Party. None! Such immigrants mean a net gain for the forces of the Left, however you choose to slice it.

2. That because people have a work ethic--really, here, only a recognition that one must work to survive--does not mean that they even have the same basic images of the human dynamic in their heads, as do another people with a work ethic. In the present instance, the images of human interaction, which the Mexican Mestizo underclass bring across the border, have very little in common with the images of human interaction, which drove the Founding Fathers, and on which our institutions are premised. One can expend millions of words, and make little or no dent in this reality.

Karl Rove needs to be discharged from his present role, or the Republican Party will find itself in an inexorable decline. Perhaps another popular war may delay that decline for a few months, perhaps even a year or two. But the demographics he seems to be encouraging will absolutely dictate that that decline takes place.

In short, it is survival time, for those of us who believe in the message of the Conservative wing of the Republican Party.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Website

[deport]

From the April 2002 article.....
The Texas primary confirmed these gloomy results for the GOP even before the results were tabulated. Hispanics were 12 percent of the Texas electorate in 1998, and are expected to be 20 percent — the "tipping point" at which their rise will make Texas a Democratic-leaning state — within six years. As GOP pollster Matthew Dowd, a longtime booster of the Hispanic/amnesty strategy, conceded to Dan Balz of the Washington Post: "The question this year is whether the Sanchez campaign advances that [i.e., making Texas a competitive swing state rather than a reliably Republican one], compressing six years into six months." It might do so; Sanchez combined an ethnic appeal to Hispanics — objecting to his opponent's wish to answer questions in English and Spanish rather than solely in Spanish in a televised debate — with an economic appeal to moderate middle-class whites, calling for low taxes.

For that very reason, however, his looks like a transitional candidacy even if he wins in November. For as Hispanic voting strength grows, so it is likely to reflect in Texas the liberal economic voting patterns celebrated by Meyerson in California.

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Well it looks like O'Sullivan is blowing smoke or maybe smoking too much..... Sanchez along with the entire Democrat slate got their butts handed to them in November.... Remember the "Dream Team".. Sanchez the Hispanic; Kirk the African-American; Sharp the good ol' bubba; ...... What did Texas do? Sent them packing with their tails between their legs....

Sanchez.... 39.98% of the vote..
Kirk..... 43.37%
Sharp..... 46.06%

Sanchez the Hispanic got less than either of the other two... Combined, the hispanic, the black and the white bubba still didn't come close... So much for O'Sullivan's Texas theory at this stage.

[Redbob]

The very apogee of Hispandering will be when Bush appoints White House Counsel Gonzalez to the Supreme Court.

Gonzalez is vastly underqualified and far far too Liberal to be appointed, but he's just Hispanic enough.

[Kuksool]

Closing our borders should be the number priority in homeland security. However, our politicians, the liberal media, and corporations have shown interest in sealing our borders from illegal immigrants. In fact, they support it by calling illegals, “undocumented migrants.” Illegal immigration shall be the death of America. California is the perfect example of what happens when the borders are not sealed from invaders.

[CyberAnt]

I have in-laws which are Hispanic. Their vote is not cemented in helping illegals. In fact ... they are totally against amnesty for illegals. They came here the right way - they vote, they work hard - they own their own homes - have their own businesses. They want Estrada confirmed. The sooner that is accomplished the sooner the Hispanics will begin to see Bush in a more favorable light.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

"Are Hispanics likely to become more Republican the longer they stay in the U.S., and the more they rise up the income scale? No."

They hate the rich more than they love the unborn. How sick. Why do we want more people like that in the US?

[dagnabbit]

I'm sure this administration will be paid back in spades from the "matricula" card stealth amnesty they worked out behind our backs with the goverment of Mexico

[republicman]

Pandering, appeasing, and "reaching" out NEVER works, and in fact these staretegies usually backfire.

Why the republicans never seem to learn this I just can't understand.

[WRhine]

Republican hopes for major gains in the Hispanic electorate are without foundation. Democrats lead the GOP by large margins in every Hispanic group except Cuban-Americans. There is no sign that any significant group of Latino voters is "in play."

Like DUH! Do Republican actually need consultants to tell them the Obvious.

Because Hispanic voters lean to the Democrats on economic and social grounds, the GOP would have to change almost all its policies (on taxes, welfare, regulation, labor law) to have any hope of attracting Hispanic crossovers in the long term.

Ya Think? Anyway, this is where Bush is coming from and where is he going. The only other rational explanation for Bush's shameless pandering to Mexicans is that Bush and his advisors are all morons and I don't believe that for a second. Bush & Co. plan to take the GOP much further to the left and any conservative that doesn't like it can hit the road. JMO.

[No Dems 2004]

This article is from April 2002! Man, why so old?!

Anyway, while I strongly oppose illegal immigration, I still believe that staticians are overthinking the Hispanic groups. I think that analyzing this group has not been succesful. For one thing, it's a group that considers itself white and Hispanic at the same time. And exit polls only allow you to be white or Hispanic. So, how in the world are we supposed to know what's happening in counties where whites and Hispanics are combined together?

Personally, I believe that, while illegal immigration is a problem, the Hispanic Democratic voting trends are exaggerated, and this could help explain why the Texas GOP did so well in 2002.