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Hillary Convinced Bill to Bomb Serbia
Truth In Media ^ | June 11, 2003 | Bob Djurdjevic

Posted on 06/19/2003 9:30:09 AM PDT by uplandgame

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To: MattinNJ
WOW!!! God bless all Freepers who retain long memories.
61 posted on 06/19/2003 7:57:21 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: sphinx; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; curmudgeonII; roderick; Notforprophet; river rat; csvset; ...
Tonight's topic is BJ Clinton's war in Kosovo aka Operation Legacy Building.

If you want on or off the Western Civilization Military History ping list, let me know.

62 posted on 06/19/2003 8:25:37 PM PDT by Sparta (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: Sparta
Thanks for the ping Sparta
63 posted on 06/19/2003 8:33:00 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Programming Department: Mistakes made while you wait.)
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To: uplandgame
So she thinks Hillary is honest? Kind of like Dan Rather saying a man can lie about a lot of things and still be honest?
I see. I read Hillary's Choice, and although it was supposed to be friendly to Hillary, there were things in it that appalled me. I guess Gayle and I have different ideas about honesty!
64 posted on 06/19/2003 8:36:09 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: DannyTN
But what if the Socialists were fighting against Islamic terrorists?

Why pose a rhetorical question when the answer is readily available? The Albanians are more motivated by ethnic bonds than they are by religion, and the ties between the KLA and any Muslim terrorist group that we're worried about are dwarfed by their ties with the diaspora here in America. It's almost as if the LDK and 10 years of political oppression never occurred in these threads - Milosevic invalidated the non-violent opposition in Kosovo and played into the KLA's hands by making them the only game in town if you were a Kosovar Albanian and you were tired of European apartheid in Kosovo.

You point to our being able to see the WTC attacks as a differentiating factor, but we had also seen what had happened in the Balkans at places like Vukovar and Srebrenica, and saw the same leaders and units moving into Kosovo - once the first plane hit, was there really a doubt as to what the second would do once it came into the picture?

The Serbian Socialist party is scum, Danny - and they gain far too much traction here on FR by retooling their lies for an American audience. There's this whole weird Stockholm syndrome thing going on with some Serbs and Milosevic - don't buy into it.

Finally, yes, the actual quote is along the lines of "they may have been murdered", which again invites a discussion as to the accuracy of the information presented in the article at the head of this thread, no?

It's an old argument, btw, and ignores the forcible expulsion of over 800,000 civilians out of Kosovo and into Albania and Macedonia.

65 posted on 06/19/2003 8:52:56 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: JohnGalt
Kosovo saw the convergence of two forces, the Clinton Globalists, who wanted to downgrade National sovereignty, and the Internationalist, who wanted to expand NATO's role ("Out of area or out of business!) and spread American influence.
66 posted on 06/20/2003 10:13:47 AM PDT by F-117A
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To: F-117A
That is putting it kindly.

I liken it to children who like tanks and bombs looking for an agreed upon place to blow up, sell newspapers,promote bizarre theories on national greatness, and establish a legacy.
67 posted on 06/20/2003 10:21:09 AM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: Sparta
Operation Legacy Building

Ha! His legacy = Monica...forever)

68 posted on 06/20/2003 10:05:38 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: JohnGalt
Thank you!
69 posted on 06/20/2003 10:20:08 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Sparta; MattinNJ
Thanks Matt.
70 posted on 06/20/2003 10:22:49 PM PDT by weikel (White Devil for Sharpton)
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To: lilylangtree
Nope!

March 1999 (actually the publicity BEGAN in the first week of February 1999 DURING the closed-door meetings of the Clintons and ALL the Washington and NY media!) only marked the peak of publicity of two months of screaming about the war crimes and the "neo-holocaust" in the Balkans.

This campaign was to ethnically-cleanse the CLINTONS from the residue of the impeachment and Juanita B. rape charge on TV in January 1999.

The national press came along - bed, bag, and bagel!

2. Hillary NEEDED the Jewish vote in NY to assure a win for her Senate seat, and the "caring" image she wanted from the rest of the country came FROM her appearances in Kosovo as a "protector" of the neo-Jews being forced into trains in Yugoslavia created that image.
71 posted on 06/20/2003 10:30:16 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: F-117A
See my comments, nbr 71.

Concur?
72 posted on 06/20/2003 10:31:16 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: DannyTN
See my comments, nbr 71.
73 posted on 06/20/2003 10:33:08 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Hoplite
Why is Milosevic winning at the Hague. The 'prosecution' has been at it, going on to a year and half.
They have not made a case. Not one credible witness. Why!

All your accusations don't mean squat if you can't back it up with facts.

Milosevic will walk.

74 posted on 06/20/2003 10:45:37 PM PDT by duckln
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Impeachment and Juanita B. rape charge; Jewish vote were part of the equation.

I think there were additional factors.

The Chinese scandal was breaking news. With their Chinese friends coming for a State Dinner that had to be removed from the papers and airwaves.

Legacy building. Yugoslavia could be portrayed as Soviet Union light.

Keep the Muslims and Vatican placated.

But, I still think the major factor was clinton's Globalist desire to show that National Sovereignty could be disregarded at will.

75 posted on 06/21/2003 5:23:52 AM PDT by F-117A
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To: duckln
If you choose to not believe the facts as they are presented, that's your business.

One of the main defence strategies Milosevic was pursuing in regards to Bosnia, being he had nothing to do with it, has been thoroughly disproven by the fact that the BSA's salaries were paid from Belgrade, and the recent disclosure of orders to Serbian MUP units who ultimately reported to Milosevic were operating around Sarajevo to move to Srebrenica prior to the massacre there.

Command responsibility has been established, and had you bothered to familiarize yourself with the indictment and the actual charges, you wouldn't be making such ignorant statements, duckln.

The only place Milosevic is going to walk will be in the exercise yard.

76 posted on 06/21/2003 11:28:48 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; duckln
One of the main defence strategies Milosevic was pursuing in regards to Bosnia, being he had nothing to do with it, has been thoroughly disproven by the fact that the BSA's salaries were paid from Belgrade...

Those particular VRS members (the ones who had previously been JNA members) were only receiving their social insurance payments which they had legally accrued as citizens of Yugoslavia and as members of the JNA. They were simply being paid the money that they were already owed.

77 posted on 06/21/2003 3:55:44 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: DestroyEraseImprove
Those particular VRS members (the ones who had previously been JNA members) were only receiving their social insurance payments which they had legally accrued as citizens of Yugoslavia and as members of the JNA. They were simply being paid the money that they were already owed.

"As for the funds spent on weapons and ammunition and the other needs of the Bosnian Serb Republic Army and the Croatian Serb Republic Army, as these were state secrets they could not be shown in the budget, which is a public document. The same is true of the expenses for equipping the security forces and counter-terrorist forces."

That would be none other than Slobodan Milosevic - in his appeal against the charges of Abuse of Power in Serbia.

So you've got Milosevic himself stating that money from Belgrade was paying for the war in Bosnia - you can quibble about the salaries being something else with Borisav Jovic, who has already admitted that, as the Bosnian Serbs couldn't afford to pay them, Belgrade continued to do so after the soldiers took off their JNA patches and replaced them with BSA patches, which was about the only change that occurred upon the JNA's supposed withdrawal from Bosnia.

The command responsibility charge is pretty much a done deal right now, DEI.

78 posted on 06/21/2003 7:32:48 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
So what do you want? All bosnian Serb JNA officers should have left Bosnia with the JNA, or what? No, they took off their JNA patches and replaced them with BSA patches. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. 100% correct.

Croatia and Germany financed the bosnian Croat army, the US and Saudi Arabia financed the bosnian muslim army. Serbia financed the Bosnian Serb Army and the Croatian Serb Army. So what? Serbia should have annexed these territories during the early 90's instead of providing covered support to them. That's about the anything Slobodan Milosevic can be charged with.

79 posted on 06/22/2003 3:04:50 AM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: DestroyEraseImprove
So what do you want?

An end to the specious defences of Milosevic and his actions - you've pretty much conceded the point on the command responsibility issue, DEI.

Perhaps we can move on to other things, like figuring out how to rebuild the Serbian economy and integrating it into Europe.

That would be nice for a change, and as there's no end of opportunities for rancorous disagreement when it comes to economics, we could maintain our usual relationship while arguing about how to construct a better future rather than apportioning blame for a disasterous past.

80 posted on 06/22/2003 11:13:40 AM PDT by Hoplite
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