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Powerful Senator Endorses Destroying Computers of Illegal Downloaders (Orrin Hatch)
AP ^ | 6/17/03 | Ted Bridis

Posted on 06/17/2003 2:54:06 PM PDT by Jean S

WASHINGTON (AP) - The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee said Tuesday he favors developing new technology to remotely destroy the computers of people who illegally download music from the Internet.

The surprise remarks by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, during a hearing on copyright abuses represent a dramatic escalation in the frustrating battle by industry executives and lawmakers in Washington against illegal music downloads.

During a discussion on methods to frustrate computer users who illegally exchange music and movie files over the Internet, Hatch asked technology executives about ways to damage computers involved in such file trading. Legal experts have said any such attack would violate federal anti-hacking laws.

"No one is interested in destroying anyone's computer," replied Randy Saaf of MediaDefender Inc., a secretive Los Angeles company that builds technology to disrupt music downloads. One technique deliberately downloads pirated material very slowly so other users can't.

"I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."

The senator acknowledged Congress would have to enact an exemption for copyright owners from liability for damaging computers. He endorsed technology that would twice warn a computer user about illegal online behavior, "then destroy their computer."

"If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions, he said.

"There's no excuse for anyone violating copyright laws," Hatch said.

Rep. Rick Boucher, D-Va., who has been active in copyright debates in Washington, urged Hatch to reconsider. Boucher described Hatch's role as chairman of the Judiciary Committee as "a very important position, so when Senator Hatch indicates his views with regard to a particular subject, we all take those views very seriously."

Some legal experts suggested Hatch's provocative remarks were more likely intended to compel technology and music executives to work faster toward ways to protect copyrights online than to signal forthcoming legislation.

"It's just the frustration of those who are looking at enforcing laws that are proving very hard to enforce," said Orin Kerr, a former Justice Department cybercrimes prosecutor and associate professor at George Washington University law school.

The entertainment industry has gradually escalated its fight against Internet file-traders, targeting the most egregious pirates with civil lawsuits. The Recording Industry Association of America recently won a federal court decision making it significantly easier to identify and track consumers - even those hiding behind aliases - using popular Internet file-sharing software.

Kerr predicted it was "extremely unlikely" for Congress to approve a hacking exemption for copyright owners, partly because of risks of collateral damage when innocent users might be wrongly targeted.

"It wouldn't work," Kerr said. "There's no way of limiting the damage."

Last year, Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., ignited a firestorm across the Internet over a proposal to give the entertainment industry new powers to disrupt downloads of pirated music and movies. It would have lifted civil and criminal penalties against entertainment companies for disabling, diverting or blocking the trading of pirated songs and movies on the Internet.

But Berman, ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary panel on the Internet and intellectual property, always has maintained that his proposal wouldn't permit hacker-style attacks by the industry on Internet users.

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On the Net: Sen. Hatch: http://hatch.senate.gov

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: copyright; cyberattack; cyberwar; download; filesharing; grokster; hatch; kazaa; krusgnet; mp3; napster; orrinhatch; riaa; rickboucher; rino; tyranny
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To: JeanS
BTW: How 'bout an ejection seat that throws a Congressman out of his seat when he/she votes for or says something so stupid and unconstitutional? (applies to both houses of course)
181 posted on 06/17/2003 6:25:45 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: glock rocks
LOL .. are you serious ??
182 posted on 06/17/2003 6:28:45 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: JeanS
I don't know why a social conservative like Hatch would want to short-circuit a phenomena that will eventually bankrupt the very media companies that have been polluting the culture with filth and crap for the last forty or so years.
183 posted on 06/17/2003 6:34:39 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae (Catholic Epimethean)
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To: Mo1
...series as a heart attack.
184 posted on 06/17/2003 6:37:17 PM PDT by glock rocks (shoot fast. shoot straight. shoot safe. practice. carry. molon labe)
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To: Poohbah
There was a Mac virus that changed the monitor refresh rate...pumped it up so high that the monitor caught fire if the machine was running long enough.

I don't remember any such virus on the Mac, and so far, a Google search hasn't produced any evidence of your dubious claim.

I do remember that "Compute" magazine once published the source code for a game that would fry the monitor of a Commodore computer. Unfortunately, they did not publish the warning against running the program until the following month's issue.

185 posted on 06/17/2003 6:38:29 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
I do remember that "Compute" magazine once published the source code for a game that would fry the monitor of a Commodore computer. Unfortunately, they did not publish the warning against running the program until the following month's issue.

Thank you, you corrected my hazy memory. The Commodore game could mess up your monitor.

Fortunately, I was a very slow typist back then :o)

186 posted on 06/17/2003 6:42:56 PM PDT by Poohbah (I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
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To: Charles Martel
I'll bet that the anti-music industry brigade is made up of smarter computer geeks than the ones working for the RIAA, too.

First: the RIAA can pay better. Money DOES talk.

Second: The RIAA can pay OTHER people very nicely.

"Hokey religion and an ability to write code are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

187 posted on 06/17/2003 6:47:19 PM PDT by Poohbah (I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
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To: HAL9000
I don't remember any such virus on the Mac, and so far, a Google search hasn't produced any evidence of your dubious claim.

I tend to remember that there was one for the old Apple ][ series... could have been Commodore though. Those programs that used to use the floppy drive to play music were pretty cool at the time. Always wondered if they damaged the drives somehow.

188 posted on 06/17/2003 6:49:28 PM PDT by killjoy
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To: Jhoffa_
"Call waiting is making an absolute mess of my internet connection"

You do know that you can set your computer to turn off your call waiting while you are on line, don't you?
189 posted on 06/17/2003 6:57:09 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: Dog Gone
I've heard rumors that Hatch is a retard, but I refused to believe them. Okay, now I'm convinced.

What the esteemed Whorin' Atch needs is a pet prairie dog. That would certify your allegation.

190 posted on 06/17/2003 6:58:06 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: Poohbah
Thank you, you corrected my hazy memory.

Well, it was a long time ago - at least 20 years.

191 posted on 06/17/2003 6:58:06 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: JeanS
The surprise remarks by Sen. Orrin Hatch

Surprise remarks? I am so not surprised that Hatch would be the one to come up with something like this.

192 posted on 06/17/2003 7:00:35 PM PDT by Z10N157
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To: rs79bm
"Normally I like Hatch"

Why?
193 posted on 06/17/2003 7:05:29 PM PDT by Z10N157
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To: Z10N157
Why?

He has stood up to Leahy on occasions, which is more than most other Republicans do. I praise him for that. However, he blew it on this one.
194 posted on 06/17/2003 7:08:32 PM PDT by rs79bm (The difference between Los Angeles and yogurt is that yogurt comes with less fruit ... R. Limbaugh)
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To: cherry_bomb88
"What's next??? The dems get into power and blow up our computers for participating in FR???? Or listening to Rush 24/7?????"

Entitlement programs never decrease in size. Same is true for incursions into individual freedoms.
196 posted on 06/17/2003 7:12:01 PM PDT by frithguild
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To: Mo1
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photo Orrin Hatch (R - UT) ,
Judiciary Chairman

  • Born 1934, Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
  • B.A. Brigham Young University, 1959
  • J.D., University of Pittsburgh Law School, 1962
  • Private practice, Pennsylvania and Utah, 1962-76
  • Elected to U.S. Senate, 1976, unseating Democrat Frank E. Moss
    Re-elected 1982, 1988, 1994, 2000
    Chairman Senate Judiciary Committee
  • Lives with wife Elaine in Utah. Six children, nineteen grandchildren

197 posted on 06/17/2003 7:13:17 PM PDT by glock rocks (shoot fast. shoot straight. shoot safe. practice. carry. molon labe)
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To: JeanS
?
198 posted on 06/17/2003 7:20:17 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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To: frithguild
pretty much what scared me about the whole article...not the downloading music...but HOW they are tracking it and WHY
199 posted on 06/17/2003 7:20:35 PM PDT by cherry_bomb88 (Are you on the right side of the wrong issue or the wrong side of the right issue?)
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To: Yehuda
"Hmmm, mmaybe we can chip the Senators, and then when they vote like morons...."

If we implant a chip, maybe we can remotely destroy Senators when they take an illegal campaign contribution?
200 posted on 06/17/2003 7:20:51 PM PDT by frithguild
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