Posted on 06/13/2003 8:17:51 AM PDT by kattracks
(Editor's Note: Contains information some readers may find objectionable.)
(CNSNews.com) - There's something for everyone on the Internet - even for pedophiles who seek support and acceptance for their fixation on children.
Some of the websites that "celebrate" adults' love for minor children are very careful to monitor their content so they don't break any laws. Pornographic images, erotic literature and other sexually explicit content are nowhere to be found on these sites, but advocates for children find them very troubling nevertheless.
At the website Girl Love Garden, pedophiles claim to be on a quest for social acceptance of their sexual preferences. The website celebrates "the emancipation of girls of all ages and 'girl love,' in general."
The website notes that "true emancipation" lies "in a child's sublime assent to becoming self actualized with the keen-eyed help of a loving mentor (gardener) who is willing to carefully fertilize and tend to the growth of the emotions, spirit and intellectual flora of the garden of a child's soul."
The committee's mission statement offers the view that adults who are "naturally, sensuously attracted to little girls and blossoming young women…will achieve full emancipation only by clothing their souls with a childlike personality and agreeing to 'play safe' with each other…"
Here visitors find "an oasis of shade" among the "refreshing waters of reason" where they are invited to "drink deeply of the exquisite delights to be found herein by Girl Lovers everywhere."
But "boy lovers" need not feel left out. At the Free Spirits website, visitors learn that "boylovers have not chosen of their free will to become so."
"It is an attraction most discover within themselves at a very early age," the site explains. "Through no action of their own, they find themselves considered horrible and vile. Most people who are attracted to minors try to live good lives but find no encouragement from a society and a press that labels all people with that attraction, whatever they do or don't do, as evil monsters," the web site says.
Developers of "BoyChat," the chat room at Free Spirits, admit it is not a place where "well-meaning social workers firmly guide people the way they think they ought to go."
BoyChat says it is run "by boylovers for boylovers." It encourages people posting on the website "to work freely through their own issues and questions."
Anonymity
The operators of both the Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden websites are free to express their views because of the anonymity of the Internet. There are many other online sites catering to "MAAs" (minor-attracted adults, which some pedophiles prefer to call themselves).
Such websites claim to advocate for the civil rights and acceptance of "the most underserved and misunderstood sexual minority remaining in today's human society," according to the Free Spirits mission statement.
Along with chat rooms, these sites include members' galleries, where visitors find personal, historical and literary insights on loving children; and message boards where visitors may discuss issues involving the emotional, romantic and sexual relationships between children and adults.
'Legal'
According to Barry Maddox, spokesperson for the FBI's Baltimore, Md., office, the sites are "totally legal." Maddox told CNSNews.com the sites come close to breaking the law but do not break it."They've done their homework," Maddox said.
Pornographic images, literature or any other sexually explicit content are nowhere to be found on these sites.
"Girl Moments," or stories describing an encounter with a female adolescent that are "tasteful," "well-written," and focus on "friendships or other light-hearted encounters" are welcome at Girl-Love Garden, according to its frequently asked questions (FAQ) section. But it warns visitors not to "include details that evoke a prurient interest in sexual relations.
"Written materials that appear erotic or that advocate or counsel engaging in sexual activity with a minor constitutes a very serious offence" under the criminal codes of Canada, the U.S. and the United Kingdom, the FAQ warns, adding that "your material must be in full compliance with these laws so that when viewed with a prejudicial eye, they could not be seen as openly advocating, counseling, inducing, nor encouraging sexual intimacy with minors."
"We're only interested in those who act upon these impulses," Maddox said. While legal, he added, the sites "do make me sick to my stomach."
Ruben Rodriguez, director of the Exploited Children Unit at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told CNSNews.com that while he likes the Internet, sites such as Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden "have turned sections of it into a sewer."
"Many of these pedophiles act out on their impulses," Rodriguez said. "These kinds of sites are not something I would welcome."
Rodriguez said all the disclaimers and attempts at de-stigmatizing the "deviant sexual behavior" of pedophiles online are "just excuses" for them to "sit in front of a monitor and masturbate." He expressed "disgust" at the notion of society accepting pedophiles as another minority group.
"I see us sometimes going down a different path," Rodriguez said. "I don't see it getting better, I see it getting worse...going in a direction sometimes that just drives me crazy."
Some MAAs claiming to be Christians say they have found comfort at a website called Philia, which provides news and resources to religious support groups for adults who are attracted to minors. Philia, along with the Christian Boylove Forum (CBLF), are for those who "find themselves in the position of having no one to turn to who shares their faith as well as their sexual feelings.
"This (online message) board attempts to fill that gap by providing a friendly, safe place where we can be honest about our feelings and struggles with sexuality and faith, without fear of destructive criticism or harassment," the CBLF site states. "This is a place for mutual encouragement, support and advice as we seek to deal with our sexuality and society's reaction to it in responsible and healthy ways, to live out our lives with integrity and to express our faith in a way that honors God and demonstrates the love of Jesus Christ to all people."
Both sites are run by "Bach" - the screen name used to protect his identity - a boy lover who told CNSNews.com via e-mail that he has never acted upon his feelings and that he found support through a Christian service agency with which he volunteered.
"I am in a committed relationship with another man and have found that I am able to gain some satisfaction with this compromise," Bach wrote. "We discussed the fact that many message boards didn't allow for a Christian boylover to explore his faith in the context of his sexuality. We were often confronted with boylovers who had a strong hatred for the church, and we were constantly defending ourselves. This was the impetus to form the Christian Boylove Forum."
From CBLF sprung "Christian Consultations," "an annual gathering to bring together Christians (and some non-Christians) who are willing to enter into dialogue about adult attraction to minors," according to the Philia website.
"We have had involvement at the Christian Consultation from various pastors, Christian service workers, members of...Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered Persons," Bach stated in the e-mail to CNSNews.com. "The goal of these encounters was to provide a non-threatening place for dialogue ...to help break isolation and fear.
"I would hope that Christians could come to accept that minor-attracted adults are not monsters, not sex maniacs, not uncontrolled freaks, but folks who have to live their lives with a desire that is demonized by society and the media to an extent that they are fearful to speak of it to anyone," Bach explained.
Julie Posey, a self-described "cyber-crime fighter" runs the website Pedowatch.org. Posey's website claims that "since 1996, she has passed on hundreds of tips to law enforcement involving child sexual predators who use the Internet as a tool to gain access to children who are later sexually assaulted and in rare instances murdered."
Posey is also the author of They Call Me Kendra, which Pedowatch.org describes as an autobiography of "her life experiences as a sexually abused child and tells how she later became one of the nation's leading experts on child sexual predators."
Kendra was the onscreen name Posey used to trap sexual predators online. She told CNSNews.com that Christian Consultation sounded a lot like prison ministers who work with convicted pedophiles.
"They go into prisons and try to help the families," Posey said. "They say, 'Oh, what your loved one did isn't so wrong...he has a love for boys,' and they try to get them (the family) to accept it. But they're trying to get all of society to just accept it, and it's unacceptable to me."
Posey said sites like Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden are "just working to make their stories sound good.
"I read the North American Man Boy Lovers Association's manifesto one time, and they were like 'sex is actually good for kids,'...well, I can tell you it's not," Posey said. "If society doesn't get a grip right now - and even right now it's going to be difficult, they are definitely going to have the same rights that we have."
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The main reason I engage with them here on FR is to help open the minds of lurkers - I have been told there are many here. There may be young people, high school kids or media people, or just people interested in learning the truth or just hearing differing viewpoints. FR is an incredible resource; by reading articles and then the threads - on many topics - there is background info, links to previous articles, other websites and so on. So even if the die-hards can't or won't open their hearts or minds, others are reading!
I think supporting the truth is worthy even if only one person is helped.
I'm sure v3 would agree as do I. The truth is definitely worth getting involved in the never ending fight for what is right. Sometimes we just need to take a break. As you said, there are lurkers and others that may benefit from our posts.
I'm reorganizing my links and changing tactics a little, but Lord willing, I'll continue on in this fight until I'm called home.
It appears to really bother you when somebody gets your number and you don't know how to repply.
Shalom.
You're supposed to ping people you're talking about. It's polite.
But we don't have an absence of information. We have the 6,000 years or so of recorded history in which we have known that homoerotic behavior was deviant. We have the fact that there are no extant cultures which accept homoerotic behavior as normal. Although western civilization is moving in that direction, there is not a single model for such an experiment being successful. We also have the testimony of thousands of ex-gays who can tell you that homoerotic behavior is not an attribute.
Until you come up with something counter, we have to go with what we know. You want to change the rules? Give me a good reason. Try something remotely scientific.
Shalom.
Unsurprising.
" of a more solid premise than that homos cannot reproduce, so they must recruit to fill their rank ranks."
Homosexuals can and do reproduce.
Of course that would be the case for you. The people who need to believe in flying saucers also have tons of their own information to prove their beliefs. A man would have to be insane to have a strongly held belief without a quilt work of "evidence" to back up the belief.
Although western civilization is moving in that direction, there is not a single model for such an experiment being successful.
Sparta. Alexander the Great. (that's two)
People who have strong beliefs that can not be proven tend to ignore, dismiss or ridicule conflicting information.
ArGee said it was behavior. I was addressing ArGee's claim.
"Acting out homosexual behavior results in severe health hazards."
You mean promiscuous sex. First, not all gay men engage in anal sex. Secondly, HPV and HIV can be avoided, as well as all the diseases listed in your link. On to women..
From your link:
"Women who commit sex acts with other women face a significantly higher risk of bacterial vaginosis"
Not what I found.
http://www.vulvarpain.icomm.ca/priestley.html
"breast cancer and ovarian cancer than heterosexual women."
Yes.. higher rates of certain cancers due to not having children or not taking the pill:
http://www.gayhealthchannel.com/wswcancer/
So it seems that you're advocating use of the pill. As for having children, many lesbians have them.
Yep.
This link discusses the sexual identity of men who molest boys:
http://www.stopchildmolestation.org/pages/study4.html
Mine too. And personal experience.
"Now please, consider changing your mind."
Please consider changing yours.
Ah so! You are familiar with the smell of biogotry? For some reason, that does not surprise me.
Died at age 32 of an STD. A real role model, yessir. And gays are emulating him and commiting suicide-murder with one another via the AIDS virus to this day.
Gays are what all heterosexuals wish they could be if they were only as pure and noble. Apparently this is the horsecrap you are trying to pass off as beefsteak.
Oh, he's a wonderful example of a civilized human being - a brutal conquerer who kept, for example, a stable of castrated boys for his pleasure.
Come on dude. You can do better than that. You tell me We have the fact that there are no extant cultures which accept homoerotic behavior as normal. I name two and the best you can come up with is Alexander the Great died at age 32 of an STD? That is truely pitiful. Not only is it pitiful, it is just plain wrong. It has been long thought that ATG died from malaria, but recently it has been suggested that the culprit was typhoid fever. So me a creditable source the either proves malaria or typhoid is an STD or a source the show ATG died of some other disease.
Once you get past that, you still have to find a way to dismiss Sparta. I am sure you can. I am also sure it will be equally pitiful.
Yes, homosexuality is a behaviour and it's a choice to engage in that behavior. What's interesting is you say you were addressing ArGee's claim but you wrote that response to me and quoted my post. If you're going to quote me, don't pretend to be answering somebody else.
And no, I'm not even talking about promiscuous homosexual sex, I'm talking about homosexual sex as documented in Anal Cancer and You. Or The Deadly and Dangerous Homosexual Lifestyle. You can say your personal experience is different but I'll go by the objective studies reported in the links.
Your other link which you tried to pawn off as some rebuttal doesn't even address the fact that women who commit sex acts with other women face a significantly higher risk of bacterial vaginosis. Apparently you didn't think I'd check.
For the record, if I'm wrong I want you to show me. But please don't try to tell me a link rebuts something it doesn't.
Replace "noble gay" with "noble heterosexual".
"Gays are what all heterosexuals wish they could be if they were only as pure and noble."
Is that the argument you think I made?
"Apparently this is the horsecrap you are trying to pass off as beefsteak."
It isn't my fault you can't comprehend or answer any of my posts.
Go ahead. Dismiss the accomplishments of one of the best military leaders in the history of the world. His tactics and strategy are still taught at West Point. He was a hero of that great heterosexual general, George Patton.
While you are at it, dismiss the homosexual society of Sparta. Dismiss one of the best and most admired military forces in the history of the world. Dismiss the fact that the influence of Sparta is so great that every coalition vechile in Operation Iraqi Freedom was marked with the insignia the Spartans used on their shields.
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