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Abortion Supporters Upset Over Fetal Rights Legislation
Seamax ^ | 6/2/2003 | Fr. Michael Reilly

Posted on 06/03/2003 4:36:37 AM PDT by Hugenot

Newsweek's cover story on Fetal Rights for the June 9 issue is already causing quite a stir among abortion supporters.

A Newsweek Poll shows that 46% of Americans believe that life begins at conception, while an additional 12% believes that it begins at implantation. Only 11% believe that life begins at birth, which means that 89% of Americans would acknowledge that the present abortion laws allow for at least some legalization of murder.

The Laci Peterson story has popularized the question of fetal rights, since Scott Peterson has been charged with two murders, and the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which has passed the House, is being referred to as the Laci and Conner Law.

The law would inflict penalties on those who harm "a child in utero" while committing a federal crime. While the bill is expected to pass the Senate, defenders argue that it will not impact abortion because the law protects children that are wanted by the mother.

Nevertheless, if we are acknowledging that the child in the womb is indeed a human being with rights, it's only a matter of time before the arbitrary distinction of wanted/unwanted crumbles.

Planned Parenthood president Gloria Feldt is quoted in Newsweek as complaining that, “If they are able to make fetuses people in law with the same standing as women and men, then Roe will be moot."

Meanwhile, Ken Connor, president of the antiabortion Family Research Council argues that, “It's not OK for the husband to kill his wife's child, but it's OK for the mother [to have an abortion]?”

National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League President Kate Michelman denounced the Laci and Conner Law as a "part of a larger strategy to establish the embryo with separate distinct rights equal to if not greater than the woman."

Try as they will, abortion supporters cannot get around a simple fact. Once society says that it's acceptable to take an innocent human life, all human life loses its sacredness.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Free Republic; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; feldt; fetalrights; michelman; naral; plannedparenthood
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1 posted on 06/03/2003 4:36:38 AM PDT by Hugenot
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To: Hugenot
RIGHT ON!
2 posted on 06/03/2003 4:41:53 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: TheGeezer
Roe vs Wade will eventually be overturned. The Dems are now looking for a way to maintain their base while not alienating the entire womens base (and their money). As part of the whole, the only womens' votes in jeopardy are those who actually have or want abortions.

Those who once said "I don't care if you have an abortion" are now coming forward saying "abortion is wrong for the same reason I would not have one...I would not murder a baby" and no one has a right to "murder a baby" at any stage of life.

3 posted on 06/03/2003 4:53:49 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
Abortion supporters are upset? Boo frikken hoo.
4 posted on 06/03/2003 4:57:55 AM PDT by Judith Anne (The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.)
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To: All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921369/posts
Bringing Good Things to Life (ULTRASOUND)
Citizen magazine ^ | June 2003 | Karla Dial
Ever since I heard of this new technology, I've maintained that it is the Stealth Bomber that is going to zoom in under the pro-death crowd's radar and nuke them... once a woman sees what is really in her womb, it ceases to be a "tissue mass" and becomes... a baby. Her baby.
Silent Scream made an impact on those few who saw it.
Fetal Psychology wasn't even a blip.

5 posted on 06/03/2003 5:29:07 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Hugenot
The secret to successfully ending abortion "rights" is DUE PROCESS. An unborn child is a human just the same -- and entitled to due process under our constitution.
6 posted on 06/03/2003 5:31:00 AM PDT by Imagine
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To: Hugenot
Sweet!!

As a related aside, I was watching the tv show "Everwood" and the liberal hero was actually refusing to do the requested abortion (leaving it to the conservative doctor who was forced to do it for a variety of reasons not important here), and to justify his refusal, he said "I may not know when life begins, but I sure know when it ends."

Best damn line I ever heard on a television show.

7 posted on 06/03/2003 6:15:32 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: Hugenot
SPOTREP
8 posted on 06/03/2003 7:24:48 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Hugenot
and the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which has passed the House, is being referred to as the Laci and Conner Law.

I wasn't aware the House already passed it. Guess I need to watch more C-SPAN and less FNC.

9 posted on 06/03/2003 8:58:29 AM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: Sacajaweau
As part of the whole, the only womens' votes in jeopardy are those who actually have or want abortions.

And the women you have HAD abortions - their votes are in jeopardy also because they are coming to the realization that they made a horrible mistake in judgment. And their voices are becoming more public.

10 posted on 06/03/2003 9:00:29 AM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: SpinyNorman
I heard about that episode. Also heard that Planned Parenthood came on with a "Are you in Crisis? We can help! Call us!" commercial during the show in some markets.

I also heard the girl who ended up getting the abortion regretted it. I guess PPh didn't read the script.
11 posted on 06/03/2003 9:02:01 AM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: afraidfortherepublic; AlbionGirl; anniegetyourgun; Aquinasfan; arasina; Archangelsk; A-teamMom; ...
ping!
12 posted on 06/03/2003 9:02:45 AM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: Hugenot
A Newsweek Poll shows that 46% of Americans believe that life begins at conception, while an additional 12% believes that it begins at implantation.

Sea change.

This is the fruit of the labors of our pro-lifers. They have succeeded in the battle for knowledge and basic beliefs. What a turnaround there has been in the last ten years or so.
13 posted on 06/03/2003 9:05:32 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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EVERY Freeper AND Lurker needs to see this 9-minute film on abortion.

(It’s FREE & on-line)

A January poll on Free Republic ended with 80% in favor of overturning Roe v Wade. That is great and makes me proud to be a Freeper.

I propose that if you have not seen the 9-minute documentary Hard Truth, then you might not fully appreciate the magnitude of what has happened 42+ MILLION times since Roe v Wade in 1973. That is the number of reported surgical abortions since 1973 in the US alone.

These important 9 minutes are worth more than a million words about the subject.

Go to Abortion Videos , at the NATIONAL AMERICAN HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL. Simply click “HERE” where it says: “You may view it online HERE”. I’d also ask for you to go back to the home page, stay a while and read about the facts.

The file size is about 5mb, so if you don’t have broadband you’ll have to be patient. You might want to download it to your hard drive cause it will breakup if streaming from a slow connection. Also be sure to have your speakers on.

If you are one who thinks abortion is “OK”, or are one who is “on the fence” then this film is ESPECIALLY for you.

From the website: “It is perhaps the most powerful film ever produced on abortion. Actual footage of living, in-utero children and their aborted peers tell the hard truth about abortion in ways "just words" never will. Hard Truth packs such unprecedented power, viewers can scarcely watch without being profoundly affected. In total, the film is only nine minutes long, and except for the introduction, there is no narration.”

Again, go to Abortion Videos , at the NATIONAL AMERICAN HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL. Simply click “HERE” where it says: “You may view it online HERE”

14 posted on 06/03/2003 9:22:09 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: Hugenot
Nevertheless, if we are acknowledging that the child in the womb is indeed a human being with rights, it's only a matter of time before the arbitrary distinction of wanted/unwanted crumbles. One would hope, but the recent partial birth abortion debates in the Senate tell us that people like Tom Harkin and Barbara Boxer are quite capable of paradoxical reasoning, since they pushed to have the Senate affirm Roe while criminalizing partial birth infanticide. Liberalism has destroyed our nation's ability to discern right and wrong, replacing that with transactional good and bad based on situational ethics and secular humanist morality.

Planned Parenthood president Gloria Feldt is quoted in Newsweek as complaining that, “If they are able to make fetuses people in law with the same standing as women and men, then Roe will be moot." The Roe decision has always been an illogical fiat ruling but has been reaffirmed many times with cases such as Doe and Casey v PP'hood of Pennsylvania. What Gloria Feldt and her fellow ghouls fear is that America will awaken to discover these anti-fetus freaks have been defending an abortion holocaust in the name of enlightened social engineering.

National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League President Kate Michelman denounced the Laci and Conner Law as a "part of a larger strategy to establish the embryo with separate distinct rights equal to if not greater than the woman." ms Michelman doesn't want to relinquish her high position of moral arbiter by having individual human lives equal before the law. She is more than happy to have the serial killer rites remain the high ritual of her sect and will lie, cheat, dissemble, and slander, to defend the indefensible slaughter of alive pre-born individual human beings. Think what ghouls like Michelman, Feldt, and their supporters (like tpaine) give up if the rite of unborn child slaughter is exposed as paradoxical to the founding principles of this nation ... Life will again be more important than Liberty, protecting Life will be more important than individual pursuit of Happiness and property. It is no accidsent that the abortion champions made such a big deal out of a fetus being the property of the woman in whose body the little one was sequestered. Dehumanizing the unborn into property instantly removed a potential sympathy for their endangered lives, shifting the focus to the Liberty and Property rights of women, the 'disenfranchised', don'tcha know! The irony is, hiring a serial killer to arbitrarily snuff the unborn is the most disenfranchising act imaginable, even more so than slavery, yet black women have bought into the lies to such an extent that they kill more of their babies per capita than any other racial group!

15 posted on 06/03/2003 9:36:53 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: SpinyNorman
As a related aside, I was watching the tv show "Everwood" and the liberal hero was actually refusing to do the requested abortion (leaving it to the conservative doctor who was forced to do it for a variety of reasons not important here), and to justify his refusal, he said "I may not know when life begins, but I sure know when it ends."

Everwood is one of my daughter's weekly rituals, so I saw that episode too. I was really upset that the Catholic doctor violated his conscience and ended up killing the baby because of some stupid promise he's made to his father, who apparently had been the previous town baby butcher. His mother was the shrill NOW shrew spewing forth the status quo feminonsense. The young woman in question was merely another "I'm just not (insert whine) ready to have a baby!" wealthy, spoiled, and afraid to stand up to her father who didn't want the embarrassment of an OOW grandchild. As I recall, they were careful to keep it from the girl's mother for fear she'd talk the girl out of killing the baby--imagine that!

Gave me some good dialogue fodder with my daughter, though. Since I knew what was going to occur in the storyline, I told her the price of watching it was a conversation on the subject of pregnancy and abortion. Made her stick to the agreement, too.

16 posted on 06/03/2003 10:12:22 AM PDT by Scothia (Democracy is mob rule, but with income taxes.)
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To: Scothia
I've seen recent polling that indicates today's teens are les pro-abortion and more pro-life. We who believe int eh pro-life cause ought to be always ready to discuss the issues and offer the sceintific perspective to back up our profession for morality and the already alive child in the womb.
17 posted on 06/03/2003 10:31:30 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Alouette; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; bulldogs; ...
ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

18 posted on 06/03/2003 2:24:16 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's a tagline. Move on.)
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To: Hugenot
A Newsweek Poll shows that 46% of Americans believe that life begins at conception, while an additional 12% believes that it begins at implantation. Only 11% believe that life begins at birth, which means that 89% of Americans would acknowledge that the present abortion laws allow for at least some legalization of murder.

I would really like to know how they define 'life'. An amoeba is life. Algae is life. What do you call something that's not life?

19 posted on 06/03/2003 3:10:34 PM PDT by nosofar
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To: nosofar
I would really like to know how they define 'life'. An amoeba is life. Algae is life. What do you call something that's not life?
This poll is in the context of abortion and therefore the definition is not even remotely cryptic... a unique and valuable human life.

20 posted on 06/03/2003 3:20:20 PM PDT by AnnaZ (unspunwithannaz.blogspot.com... "It is UNSPUN and it is Unspun, but it is not unspun." -- unspun)
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