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Time: Turkish Special Forces Team held by U.S near Kirkuk
MSNBC

Posted on 04/24/2003 12:41:40 PM PDT by Dog

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 173rdairborne; allies; espionage; iraqifreedom; itf; kirkuk; kurd; kurdistan; kurds; nato; northernfront; postwariraq; puk; sabotage; turkey; turkeytroops; turkoman; war; warcrimes; warlist
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To: John H K
So the Turks were fighting women and children in Korea?

Your point is well taken.

The 1950's were a moderate period in Turkey's supression of it's non Islamic minorities.

41 posted on 04/24/2003 3:26:35 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: MEG33; a_Turk
A_Turk is a interesting guy, he has helped me in understanding an area of the world in which I had no background and no understanding at all. He is there and we are here, use your FR members in out of the way places to learn.
42 posted on 04/24/2003 3:40:41 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!)
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To: Little Bill
I have and had interesting exchanges.I did tell him my heart was with our troops and increased danger because of loss of Turkey launch point.
43 posted on 04/24/2003 4:18:33 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
I think it is like me a life long small government Republican in Mass, a Masshole is a Masshole.
44 posted on 04/24/2003 4:26:36 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!)
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To: Little Bill
I am not quite clear here?
45 posted on 04/24/2003 4:28:15 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Little Bill
He is there and we are here, use your FR members in out of the way places to learn.

I don't know where you got the idea that he is 'there'. He has lived in this country for years.

...Although it is obvious where his loyalties lie.

46 posted on 04/24/2003 4:34:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: John H K
Nothing ventured nothing gained...that says it all about you.
47 posted on 04/24/2003 4:36:11 PM PDT by eleni121
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To: EternalVigilance
I don't know, according to him he was born here and moved back to Turkey, I can live with that, if true. I like the Turks alot better than any raghead I have known, more up front and they saved my uncle when he was shot down in Korea.
48 posted on 04/24/2003 4:58:46 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!)
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To: Little Bill
Nope.

He was born, grew up and lived in Turkey until the early nineties.
49 posted on 04/24/2003 5:06:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: blam
>>Last week's Insight Magazine said that there were whispered rumors of a military coup in the making.

Since the Ataturk, Turkish "secularism" means that when the fundamentalists get out of line, the military comes out of their barracks, cleans things up, hands the government over to secular civilians, and tells the country "don't do *that* again!"

Fundamentalists are in charge of the country right now, hence their lack of support for us versus Iraq.
50 posted on 04/24/2003 5:06:41 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: Little Bill
He lives in the US, believe me.
51 posted on 04/24/2003 5:07:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Little Bill
He talked to family over there but gave me the impression he resided in US.
52 posted on 04/24/2003 5:17:42 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: EternalVigilance
I guess lyilng is common place to some cultures.
53 posted on 04/24/2003 5:27:21 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: FreedomPoster
when the fundamentalists get out of line,

I heard that the Islamists in Turkey were on our side. It was on the radio. I think the host was Sean Hanity, and he was discussing Iraq with Newt Gingrich.

Newt remarked that the Islamists were willing to go along, but that the agreement was monkey-wrenched by the Turkish moderates. He explained that the moderates were kissing Chirac's butt in order to gain entry to the European Union.

Well, those weren't the exact words, but that was his take. Has anyone heard this?

54 posted on 04/24/2003 5:27:35 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: tsomer
That sure seems possible, too. Turkey is trying very hard to enter the EU, so France had a lot of arm-twisting leverage there.
55 posted on 04/24/2003 5:29:07 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: Dog; *war_list; W.O.T.; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave; blam; Sabertooth; NormsRevenge; Gritty; ...
OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST
56 posted on 04/24/2003 5:30:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: Stultis
NO BRAINS!
57 posted on 04/24/2003 5:52:18 PM PDT by JOE6PAK (24 hours in a day ... 24 beers in a case ... coincidence?)
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To: tsomer
Yeah I heard Newt say the same thing about it not being the Muslims. Not sure I am convinced that's correct. I think where we and Turkey have agreed in the past has been based more on short term or political expediency than any sort of shared vision. The way they have dealt with certain minorites in the region in the past century says a lot about how their views supposidly line up with ours.

BTW, aturk should come along any time and let us know this is all due to our not keeping certain promises after GW1.
58 posted on 04/24/2003 5:55:05 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: eleni121
Have you EVER WORKED with the Turkish Military?

Have you ever met a Turkish special forces unit?

I know the answer is no, so shut the hell up Elinil, your racism is showing again.

The Turkish Special Forces are some of the meanest in the world, they should be, WE train them.

Why did they give up so easily? Because the mission was compromised and they were told NOT to shoot at our forces if caught.

Otherwise we could have had a REAL mess on our hands, our 4th ID may be good, but to put them up against Turkish SF would NOT have been pretty.

Turkey will now get a slap on the wrist, although I think we need to be a bit harsher then that.

They need to stay out of this, otherwise face STRICT consequences. They had their chance for a voice in this, and they BLEW it.
59 posted on 04/24/2003 6:10:28 PM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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