Genetic evidence links Jews to their ancient tribe

Again, you are a liar. The only question remaining is your motive. The use of "your bible" reveals the tip.

"ALS, your opinions are your opinions. You are welcome to them. Just because YOU believe them does not require the rest of us to believe you."

Practice what you preach kiddo.

Calling me names does not make you right, ALS. The relevant posts proving I am not a liar are archived on FreeRepublic" and include your inimitable insulting style.

Your snide and slurring commentary on the Shroud of Turin.

My responding commentary.

Your reply.

My commentary on your reply.

to which you replied.

my response.

Because you could not respond with a counter argument that made sense you made this reply: Your failure to respond and the start of your "shoo fly" routine.

By the way, ALS, do you still maintain that non-magnetic stainless steel contains no iron??? Enquiring minds want to know.

Ezekiel 22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.

26 Her priests have violated My law, and have profaned Mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have the shewed no difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from My sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.

28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, 'Thus saith the Lord GOD,' when the LORD hath not spoken.

Ezekiel 37:15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

16 "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and the shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of they People shall speak unto the saying, 'Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?'

19 Say unto the, 'Thus saith the Lord GOD; 'Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in Mine hand.''

Hosea 1:1 The word of the LORD that came unto Hosea, the son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judag, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash, king of Israel.

2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto the a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms:

3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim; which conceived, and bar him a son.

4 And the LORD said unto him, "Call his name Jezreel;

for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel.

5 and it shall come to pass at that day, that I will break the bow of Israel in the valley of Jezreel."

6. And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, "Call her name Lo-ruhamah: means not compassionated. "not beloved" in Romans 9:25 and "not having obtained mercy" in IPeter 2:10.

for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.

7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen."

8 Now when she had weaned Lo-ruhamah, she conceived, and bar a son.

9 Then said God, "Call his name Lo-ammi: for ye are not My People, and I will not be your God.

10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not My People,' there it shall be said unto them, "Ye are the sons of the living GOD'.

I post a bit of what was Written for those who might be interested in what this discussion is about.

The best you can come up with is what is not. So very, very, much more written to that House of Israel, but some have the agenda of stopping discussion, whatever method necessary.

People are no different today than during Hosea time, still have the same motivation to seek consensus by man and not understanding from our Heavenly Father.

Somehow you think you set a snare for me, and the best you can do is to go hunt for a "concensus" for what your agenda is. Who are you really carrying water for?

When I find the scripture that gives direction that I gain understanding from the consensus of man then I will give your claims a second thought.

Furthermore, because a group "Christian Identity" or any other hate group takes it upon themselves to make claims that cannot be proven within the Word then both fit in the same walled box.

You most certainly have made claims - "the Bible doesn't clearly say anthing one way or the other about European Caucasians ......."

My #6 post did not claim that these books were my sources that is a conclusion you so readily jumped upon.

You demand sources, I gave a list of books, and stated clearly that if there was a disagreement with what these books said with the Written Word the Word was correct.

Man and man's so called consensus, peer-review according to our Heavenly Father steals souls.

I post a bit of what was Written for those who might be interested in what this discussion is about.

The best you can come up with is what is not. So very, very, much more written to that House of Israel, but some have the agenda of stopping discussion, whatever method necessary.

You haven't engaged discussion, you've avoided it. Not a line of the scriptures you've posted indicates that the Lost Tribes of Israel became European Caucasians, Celts, or any other particular people.

People are no different today than during Hosea time, still have the same motivation to seek consensus by man and not understanding from our Heavenly Father.

You have chosen to seek your understanding about questions the Bible doesn't answer from sources predominantly available on hate sites.

Somehow you think you set a snare for me, and the best you can do is to go hunt for a "concensus" for what your agenda is. Who are you really carrying water for?

You utterly misunderstand. I have given you a number of opportunities to avoid the snare you set for yourself at post #6 on this thread. You keep going back to twisted interpretations of scripture and Christian Identity and Aryan Nations agitprop.

When I find the scripture that gives direction that I gain understanding from the consensus of man then I will give your claims a second thought.

When your scriptural references didn't support your claim that the Ten Lost Tribes are the antecedents of modern Europeans, you offered sources of a questionable nature. A negative consensus about your sources does not lead to any conflict with scripture.

Furthermore, because a group "Christian Identity" or any other hate group takes it upon themselves to make claims that cannot be proven within the Word then both fit in the same walled box.

Christian Identity groups have reached the same conclusions you have about sources that both you and they cite. You used these sources to support contentions you made that the Bible doesn't support. This is a box of your own making.

You most certainly have made claims - "the Bible doesn't clearly say anthing one way or the other about European Caucasians ......."

That's not quite how it went. You made a claim, I asked you to support it, and among your responses you quoted scripture. The scripture you quoted doesn't support your claim. Unless you're holding back your best scriptural evidence for a Lost Tribe origin of the Europeans, we can safely conclude that "the Bible doesn't clearly say anything one way or the other about European Caucasians."

My #6 post did not claim that these books were my sources that is a conclusion you so readily jumped upon.

Nor have I stated that it did. Your post at #6 made the original claim, it was in your post at #169 that you stated of your list "there are more but this will get you started, remember though that when a conflict arises with what is Written the Word is right."
While you did place a proviso at the end, you were clearly claiming that these books supported your contention at #6 that "the Ten Tribes, (House of Israel) were taken by the Assrian King, North over the Caucasus Mountains, later into Europe," a claim unsupported by scripture.

You demand sources, I gave a list of books, and stated clearly that if there was a disagreement with what these books said with the Written Word the Word was correct.

Yes, that's true. However, that doesn't erase the problems with it.
Where did you get that list of sources, almost all of which are found in the Aryan Nations Catalog?

Man and man's so called consensus, peer-review according to our Heavenly Father steals souls.

Consensus has its utility in matters on which the Bible is silent, such as the current whereabouts of the descendents of the Ten Lost Tribes.
The real thief of souls quoted scripture to Christ in the desert, while twisting its meaning.
You have quoted scripture and twisted its meaning to reach conclusions that are neither explicit nor implicit in the text. In doing so, you've landed squarely in the camp of Kingdom Identity Ministries and the Aryan Nations, even to the point of citing the same corroborating sources they have to reach the same nonscriptural conclusions.

ALS, your opinions are your opinions. You are welcome to them. Just because YOU believe them does not require the rest of us to believe you.

Swordmaker,
This comment is very revealing considering the tenacity you've displayed spewing YOUR opinion.
Classic narcissism.

I responded to an article that tried to slip in a lie about who the "Ten Tribes" might be. However, you have not done any research to set that lie straight.

"you that is riding the Lost Tribes hobby horse, not I", cute, but again not honest, come down off your high horse.

You have lost yourself in the idea that the Lost Tribes are about a "master race". You chose to ignore the claim made in the article and set about to disprove others who don't meet your criteria with guilt by association, very cheap.

You know far more than I about the "Christian Identity" group, I need not spend time on groups when their actions go against the Written Word, that includes so called "Christians". The battle Christians are suppose to prepare for is spiritual not physical. Christians, individually are told what to arm ourselves with and it sure is not weapons of man, its the Gospel armour.

You are not a honest person. "I don't care.... except when someone pushes their favorite group for questionable reasons including "Master Race" claptrap".

You have set yourself up as ultimate decider of what is truth and not truth, based upon consensus of man, peer-review, and scholarly study. The Word say over and over again what our Heavenly Father thinks of man's consensus. The louder you scream and trash the individuals who authored what you call "claptrap" actually gives them more credibility than you.

Does any of these writings claim "Master Race"?

The "ten tribes" are not about a "master race" from our Heavenly Father's word. If they were about a "master race" why would they be scattered to the four corners, and why would the remembrance of whom they are be removed from them? Our Heavenly Father will be the one to gather them, remind them who they are, not any flesh man, no matter who claims what.

Your very own research is limited by you, because of whom you give credibility to and what you require to be credible. Man's consensus, science of linguistics, peer-review, when what most scholars set out to do is to disproved the Written Word.

The Word does not paint a very nice picture of what our Heavenly Father thinks about those children. So for anyone to use the "ten tribes" as a supposed "master race" is demonic.

Yet Christ's own words to His twelve was for them to go first but to the lost. You have yet to explain credibily why this commandment was given and the travels of those apostles.

Ignoring Christ's commandment, who was to be taught Christ first, leaves a big hole in what you claim to know. Further reading lets us know how receptive those "ten tribes" would be in being Christians.

What you cannot do is to get a concensus of your peers to make credible claims as to what happened to them. Only label individuals who don't meet your standards as liars.

Considering you need linguistic science, I am surprised that you don't know why in the modern English we speak today, prevents one from reading with understanding the 16ll KJV.

Little interesting tid bit of history that it would be King James' doing, that would give to common man the Written Word, sends one back to the miracle that happened at Christ's death the "renting of the veil in the holy of holies. Christ became our priest and each individual would have access to the Heavenly Father through Christ.

One could even make a credible claim King James was inspired.

What is important about that translation is the letter contained within, to warn the readers about disagreements of the translators. Little message to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Even the modern King James Version is not translated correctly from the original Hebrew, and Greek. This requires one to check out the meanings of words used in a Hebrew and Greek dictionary. In Genesis 1:2 somebody changed the word "became" to was, wonder who and why this was done?

Most modern day preachers, rev's, priest, consensus gathers, peer reviews, etc., do not acknowledge that, guess that is the reason that judgment will begin at the "House of God".

You set yourself up as knowledgeable of the Word, read it through many times you say, however, you still require man's consensus, peer review, for what you call credible. Maybe that is the core of your problem, you rely upon what man's consensus is before you allow the Word to speak.

Since science of anything is done to prove ones theories and disprove others theories, science is no more credible than the individual doing the science, no matter what peer-review has to say.

You know far more about Capt than I, he is a man like any other man, liar so you claim, and I do not rely on what he says any more than on the "Qualified Specialist" who say otherwise. Whoever they are and whatever their motives might be. Interesting you have not listed this bunch and what makes them credible, makes you suspect and hiding your own agenda.

Where are these 20,000 or so Nineveh Library tablets today?

Who are the "qualified specialist" you rely on? Where did they get their qualifications? What is their agenda?

What I did say and no one has proven yet to be untrue, is that those "ten tribes" were taken captive by the Assryian King and then went north over the Causasus Mountains, and later called Caucasian.

My Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary says Caucasian, adj. 1: of or relating to the Caucasus or its inhabitants etc.........

Considering the timeframe of their captivity and the fact that this group did indeed go to what is called modern day Europe a continent named long after their travel, what kind of science of linguistics do you need.

However, this is not a claim that all European-Caucasians are of the "Ten Tribes" since it is not Written by individual name who they are, only what promises of what would happen to them by tribe is given.

When one reads of the promise to Abraham, followed through Isaac, and then to Jacob/Israel and then individually to the twelve as to what would happen, following then with the punishment that the children of the "ten tribes" would not know who they were, cannot be ignored in following their footsteps.

Our Heavenly Father gave much information in the meanings of names Written. Quite interesting what the names of those 12 tribes mean. A little hint of linguistics for you and it comes from the Word, not science or peer-review.

The prophets from the Word, and Christ Himself, whether you get a consensus from man or a peer-review paints a far different picture than what most claim and believe about those "Ten Tribes".

So far you have unsuccessfuly attempted to discredit a man's writings by a claimed association with a bunch of idiots, and the fact that he did not go to a college.

}Swordmaker, ... Classic narcissism.

BINGO! ..."an exaggerated sense of self-importance."

I don't spend my time on hate sites, that is your domain.

Stay in your hate sites. I don't know anything about "Christian Identity" except what you have posted and some bunch that claim "master race". They are idiots and so what if they grab a persons writing and claim them for their own. Obviously, they have not read what is Written about the "Ten Tribes" nor have you. This master race business is demonic and I have not made that claim.

Discussion, sorry cannot have a discussion with a one track mind, all you want to discuss is what "Christian Identity does, claims, uses, since I don't know anything more about them that what you have posted can't have a discussion.
It is you that lives in the hate world and it is you that stays there, cut of the same cloth.

You know about "Christian Identity" group not me, they have the same agenda as you spew hate.

"Where did you get the list?" Cute, long time before the "Christian Identity" group grabbed on to them, cause I didn't even know they laid claim to them untill you thought you laid a snare.

So are you the one who sent the list to the "Christian Identity"?

It is Written that Christ would be a stumbling block for some.

Given you only have one track in your mind I will try one last time.

The "ten tribes" were taken captive by the Assryian King.

This group of people in their captivity were taken north over a mountain range called Caucasus, who name it that doesn't matter doesn't changed what happened. Reason it doesn't matter is because as part of their punishment they would not know who they were and for the most part still do not, that is Written.

Their migration went to what is today called Europe and not all of them stayed in Europe. They were to be scattered to the four corners. Source it is Written, without using modern day names, but by their own names, what they would do. I refuse to take the time to cast pearls before swine.

The name Caucasian came later to describe a people that came from that Caucasus mountain area.

The "ten tribes" didn't make our Heavenly Father happy, so much so he removed from them who they were.

"Ten tribes" were Written about over and over again in the Word, describes them, tells what was to happen to them as a group. Christ himself addressed them in that the apostles were to go first to the "lost sheep". The were lost to themselves, and it would be our Heavenly Father who would give them back their memory not flesh man.

So back to the original subject which you sought to change with your obsession of "Christian Identity", is the article that claimed a "ten tribe" connection.

Why have you not brought discredit to the first lie?

You have ignored that I said that unless and until the body of Jacob/Israel was used for DNA that no one can claim legally to be from Jacob/Israel.

I have as much credibility in what I have said as you have in pushing your own agenda. Yet you think yourself clever in trying to make the subject about idiots that wrap themselves in others writings.

Thanks Sword.

I knew if someone scratched hard enough, they'd find hate-filled cultists behind the British Israel theories.

Isn't is amazing how for a subject which "isn't even important" the crazies come out and froth at the mouth? There must be some very important reasons why this trivial topic of The Lost Tribes of Israel rises to such signifance.

Do you suppose it is because so many very large institutions are built on a foundation of sand? If not, why should they worry so? The winds of change have begun blowing again putting every house of cards in peril.

Welcome to the discussion, ConservababeJen. I was wondering when ALS would bring you in to prop up his lack of discussion. I almost asked him where you were when I posted the links to his first dispute with me where you also chimed in.

He didn't answer my question, maybe you can. Does he still assert as an "expert" that non-magnetic Stainless Steel has no iron in it?

So very true.

Even more interesting is how by their own cunning, gives one the opportunity to plant seed.

Reason for the attempt to change the subject and demand consensus from man.

Does he still assert as an "expert" that non-magnetic Stainless Steel has no iron in it?

I have no idea what ALS's thoughts on non-magnetic stainless-steel are. Why don't you enlighten me since you seem to follow him around so often :)
Thanks for the fuzzy welcome to the discussion. I had no idea that you were so concerned for my whereabouts. I'm flattered, really.

So far you have unsuccessfuly attempted to discredit a man's writings by a claimed association with a bunch of idiots, and the fact that he did not go to a college.

I think I have SUCCESSFULLY discredited Capt by showing him to be a liar... not by showing "he didn't go to college." The substantial, checkable things he listed in his own book jacket biography do NOT CHECK OUT. Ergo, the man is not reliable in anything he claims or says.

You are locked in your dogma. I will not dispute you on that... but the support for your theory, other than your interpretation of scripture, comes from sites that are promoting a racist agenda: the establishment of "Caucasians" as being the true inheritors of God's Chosen People.

On the previously thread on this topic, those pushing this "Lost Tribes are Celtic" claptrap also expanded their argument to include that the Jews inhabiting Israel today are NOT TRUE DESCENDANTS of Abraham but rather "Turkish" interlopers who merely CLAIM to be the descendants. Their claimed source? Capt, again, of course.

Exactly what is the agenda here? It is to delegitimize the Jewish claim to the Levantine area some call "Palestine" and to elevate the Caucasoid race as the true, and only, inheritors of the Kingdom of God. Why do you think they call themselves "Christian Identity?" It is because they "Identify" themselves as the only true inheritors of God.

Ignoring Christ's commandment, who was to be taught Christ first, leaves a big hole in what you claim to know. Further reading lets us know how receptive those "ten tribes" would be in being Christians.

Apparently you think we should spend our time seeking out the Lost Tribes so that we can proseletize them BEFORE evangelizing anyone else. Sorry, if that were the case, seeing as how it is now 2000 years later, and we are still looking for them, the teaching of Christ to the world would still be waiting for you to find them.

See how the heathen rage! When I see the mockers rage I think of these verses and many more:

Proverbs 21:24
The proud and arrogant man-"Mocker" is his name; he behaves with overweening pride.

Isaiah 29:20
The ruthless will vanish, the mockers will disappear, and all who have an eye for evil will be cut down-

Proverbs 1:22
"How long will you simple ones love your simple ways? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge?

Job 21:3
Bear with me while I speak, and after I have spoken, mock on.

Proverbs 3:34
He mocks proud mockers but gives grace to the humble.

Proverbs 9:7
"Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse.

Proverbs 9:8
Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you.

Proverbs 9:12
If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you; if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer."

Proverbs 13:1
A wise son heeds his father's instruction, but a mocker does not listen to rebuke.

Proverbs 14:6
The mocker seeks wisdom and finds none, but knowledge comes easily to the discerning.

Proverbs 15:12
A mocker resents correction; he will not consult the wise.

Proverbs 19:25
Flog a mocker, and the simple will learn prudence; rebuke a discerning man, and he will gain knowledge.

Proverbs 19:29
Penalties are prepared for mockers, and beatings for the backs of fools.

Proverbs 21:11
When a mocker is punished, the simple gain wisdom; when a wise man is instructed, he gets knowledge.

Proverbs 22:10
Drive out the mocker, and out goes strife; quarrels and insults are ended.

Proverbs 24:9
The schemes of folly are sin, and men detest a mocker.

Proverbs 29:8
Mockers stir up a city, but wise men turn away anger.

Proverbs 30:17
"The eye that mocks a father, that scorns obedience to a mother, will be pecked out by the ravens of the valley, will be eaten by the vultures.

Isaiah 28:22
Now stop your mocking, or your chains will become heavier; the Lord, the LORD Almighty, has told me of the destruction decreed against the whole land.

Isaiah 57:4
Whom are you mocking? At whom do you sneer and stick out your tongue? Are you not a brood of rebels, the offspring of liars?

Exactly you "think" you did successfully discredit Capt.

Your mission so pat yourself on your back.

Since I do not visit the sites you do, cannot comment on where you spend your time.

The word "racist" is not applicable to anything I have posted that is your world.

Sorry, have not been to the previous thread about who is in Israel today, maybe you need to read the Parable of the Tares again. Not man's job to reap the harvest.

Your words of "God's Chosen People" means nothing if you don't state where that is Written and Chosen for what.

"dogma" smile,

Again while you were on a goose chase of discrediting those who fail consensus, and peer-review you missed what was claimed in the article, which I responsed to.

Thus far all you have done is to try and associate a list of books that a bunch of idiots now claim as their own as the basis to discredit any and all who think differently than you. Lessens your own credibility.

"Delegitimize" this is only possible if one is legitimate in the first place. "Levantine area" where did this come from? Since I don't know about the "Christian Identity" can't speak to what their goals are.

Again I responded to a claim made in an article about "Ten Tribes". You have not.

Again I have repeatedly said that our Heavenly Father is in control, will give His inheritance not you nor I.

Since it is our Heavenly Father through Christ that does the calling and choosing, my duties as a Christian is to plant seeds. Whether they grow or not is between the individual and our Heavenly Father. My duty is not to get in our Heavenly Father's way and set up my own religion.

Actually, the "ten tribes" are very much a part of what is to take place in the future and some have laid claim to what they cannot prove.

The Word says "ALL" who will, will be saved, gives the requirements of what one must do to have the "will".

I get very uncomfortable when discussions arise involving genetic proof of either super-races, chosen people or untermensch. The concept of ethnic purity is abhorrent and impossible to prove.

"Where did you get the list?" Cute, long time before the "Christian Identity" group grabbed on to them, cause I didn't even know they laid claim to them untill you thought you laid a snare.

So are you the one who sent the list to the "Christian Identity"?

No, of course not. Now how about some direct answers from you?
Why is there such a strong correlation between your beliefs about the Ten Tribes and your sources supporting those beliefes, and the Aryan Nations Catalog?
Where did you get your reading list?

Given you only have one track in your mind I will try one last time.
The "ten tribes" were taken captive by the Assryian King.

This group of people in their captivity were taken north....

I've read your story. We agree on this much. The rest of your account is without foundation, save from fringe sources and a twisted reading of scripture.
It's interesting that at #6, you were so quick to dismiss Kurdish Jews, "there is no proof or basis to claim that the Kurdish Jews are the Ten Tribes."
Do you know where Kurdistan is?

Now, consider that map in the light of the acknowledged fact that the Israelite captives of the Ten Tribes were taken North by the Assyrian king.
Here are a couple of maps of the Assyrian Empire:

Now, consider that Kurdistan is to the North of Israel, on the Northernmost periphery of the Assyrian Empire. Consider also the genetic findings about Kurdish Jews cited by the original article:

A particularly intriguing case illustrating this is that of the Kurdish Jews, said to be the descendants of the Ten Tribes of Israel who were exiled in 723 BCE. to the area known today as Kurdistan, located in Northern Iraq, Iran and Eastern Turkey. They continued to live there as a separate entity until their immigration to Israel in the 1950s. The Kurdish Jews of today show a much greater affinity to their fellow Jews elsewhere than to the Kurdish Moslems.

Are the Kurdish Jews a remnant of one or some of the Lost Tribes? It's certainly possible, as they fit not only the scriptural description and have the right genes, but also have linguistic support for this claim...
Aramaic was born in Mesopotamia (present-day Iraq) at least 3,500 years ago. It was the language spoken by the patriarch Abraham, and served as a trade language among the various peoples of the ancient Middle East, very much like English does today.
In a phenomenal wave of expansion, Aramaic spread to Israel and Syria and large tracts of Asia and Egypt, replacing many languages, including Akkadian and Hebrew. For about 1,000 years, it served as the official and written language of the Near East, officially beginning with the conquests of the Assyrian Empire, which had adopted Aramaic as its official language.
The earliest known inscriptions in Aramaic date back to the ninth century B.C.E. Parts of the biblical books of Jeremiah, Daniel and Ezra were written in Aramaic, as was the Talmud.
By the time of the later Chaldean and Persian conquests, Aramaic had become the closest thing to an international language. Despite Hellenistic influences that followed the conquests of Alexander the Great, Aramaic remained the vernacular of the conquered peoples in the Holy Land, Syria, Mesopotamia and the adjacent countries. It eventually ceded linguistic supremacy in the region to Arabic in the ninth century C.E.
As a result, the Assyrians boast that this was the spoken language during the times of Jesus.
"Modern" Aramaic is very different from the ancient language. It has a western version and an eastern one.
The western dialect is still used in three villages in Syria, where people use the language not only for prayer but for everyday life. This is the only place in the world where the language is still alive.
The eastern dialect was used in the northeastern corner of Iraq, where it borders Iran, Turkey and Russia; this is the dialect used by Kurdish Jews in Israel.
LINK

Also...
The Talmud holds that Jewish deportees were settled in Kurdistan 2800 years ago by the Assyrian king Shalmaneser Ill (r. 858-824 BC).
LINK
Scholars, such as Yitzhak Ben Zvi, the second President of Israel, regarded the Jews of Kurdistan as the ""Lost" ones in the Land of Assyria (Isaiah 27:13), or: "The only tribe to preserve a 2700 year-old tradition, the traces of a most ancient stratum in the history of Israel, recalling in nature the people of the First Temple Period" (1963:74).
LINK
Throughout the Middle East, smaller communities of Jews, Christians and Baha'is also consider themselves Kurds. Israel's 150,000 Kurds constitute the greatest concentration of these non-Muslim groups. The Kurdish Jews emigrated to Israel in the 1950s, having lived in Mesopotamia since the Assyrian exile: "The king of Assyria carried the Israelites away to Assyria, settled them in Halah, on the Habor, the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes." (2 Kings 18:11)
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If, in the light of all of this, you're not prepared to accept a Lost Tribe origing for Kurdish Jews, that's fine. I'm not necessarily convinced either. However, the range of sources I've provided from a number of different disciplines does call into question your statement that "there is no proof or basis to claim that the Kurdish Jews are the Ten Tribes."
Since there is certainly some basis for the Kurdish claim you are clearly in error on that point, so you may want to reconsider others you have made, and the sources on which you've based your claims.

You have ignored that I said that unless and until the body of Jacob/Israel was used for DNA that no one can claim legally to be from Jacob/Israel.

No, I've pointed out twice on this thread, at #178 and #244, that your thinking here betrays a lack of knowledge about genetics. One doesn't need the genetic material of the parent to demonstrate a kinship between progeny. This is true even if that parent is a Patriarch who has been dead for some 4,000 years.
Even if you don't believe that Kurdish Jews are a Lost Tribe remnant, genetic analysis, as this thread's article states, has established a kinship with other Jews that spans thousands of years of separation.

I have as much credibility in what I have said as you have in pushing your own agenda. Yet you think yourself clever in trying to make the subject about idiots that wrap themselves in others writings.

This is quite an ironic application of relativism to the truth, as you've wrapped yourself in those same questionable writings to come to many of the same conclusions as those whom you call "idiots."
You are proclaiming your credibility while denying that of groups to whom you've made yourself intellectually bound. The truth is that one can explore this subject without believing what Arayan Nations and Christian Identity groups are promoting.
The whereabouts of the Ten Lost Tribes is of interest to archaeologists, anthropologists, ethnologists, linguists, Christians and Jews. There is a great deal of information acumulated, and more is discovered all the time.
Here's a list of some worthwhile links to websites about the possible identities and locations of the Lost Tribes in which efforts are made to reconcile genetic, linguistic, cultural, Historical, and scriptural evidence....

The Cohanim Modal Haplotype

The CMH Tool Discovery
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References
A. Here are links to the five original scientific articles (in chronological order):

1.   The original study of the Jewish Priests: "Y-Chromosomes of Jewish Priests", by M. F. Hammer, Karl Skorecki, et al. (Nature, 385:32, 1997)

2.   The second article expanding upon the discovery: "Origins of Old Testament Priests" by Karl Skorecki, David Goldstein, M. G. Thomas, et al. (Nature, 394:138-140, 1998)

3.   The third article, applying the discovery for the first time to a population claiming to be "of the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel" (but without further proof than tribal traditions and stories): "Y chromosomes traveling south: the Cohen modal Haplotype and the origin of the Lemba - the 'Black Jews of Southern Africa'" by M. G. Thomas, et al. (American Journal of Human Genetics, 66:674-86, February 2000)

4.   A much broader study of population genetics of some of the same Middle Eastern populations (and by some of the same authors) "Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes" by M. F. Hammer et. al. (Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, Vol 97, Issue 12, 6769-6774, June 6, 2000)

5.   And, more recently, there is a failed attempt to discredit the above articles (that actually adds much useful information expanding and confirming the discovery): "Are today's Jewish Priests descended from the old ones" by Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin, Ph.D. (HOMO: Journal of Comparative Human Biology - Zeitschrift fuer vergleichende Biologie des Menschen, Vol. 53, No. 2-3, 2000, pg. 156-162).

It is not yet available freely online. There is a good report about it at: http://www.ariga.com/genes.htm.

B. As research continues, new scientific papers are published. Here are several recent ones:

1. "The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East" by Almut Nebel, Dvora Filon, Bernd Brinkmann, Partha P. Majumder, Marina Faerman, and Ariella Oppenheim [The American Journal of Human Genetics 69:5 (November 2001): 1095-1112].

2. "High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews" by Almut Nebel1, Dvora Filon, Deborah A. Weiss, Michael Weale, Marina Faerman, Ariella Oppenheim, and Mark G. Thomas [Human Genetics 107(6) (December 2000): 630-641].

C. In addition, there are several nice programs online about this same general topic:

1. Here is a nice program about the Hebrew Ten Lost Tribes:

"Mystery of the Ten Lost Tribes"
This program features the work of the predicted king (who is predicted to find the famous Hebrew Ten Lost Tribes).

2. Here is a nice NOVA program about the Hebrew Ten Lost Tribes:

"Lost Tribes of Israel"
This program features Dr. Tudor Parfitt (an anthropologist)[director of the Center for Jewish Studies at the School for Oriental and African Studies in London] and his fascinating detective work study of the Lemba tribe (placed into a recent book by him: Journey to the Vanished City (Phoenix, London)).
LINK

That's just the tip of the iceberg. The Ten Lost Tribes are an interesting subject. You should consider availing yourself of more information than just the theories promoted by Aryan Nations and Christian Identity groups.

There must be some very important reasons why this trivial topic of The Lost Tribes of Israel rises to such signifance.

Do you suppose it is because so many very large institutions are built on a foundation of sand? If not, why should they worry so? The winds of change have begun blowing again putting every house of cards in peril.

Can you elaborate on this a little?
What are the very large institutions that are built on foundations of sand?
What are the houses of cards that are imperiled by the winds of change?
What exactly are these "wind of change?"
Thanks in advance.

Still on those "Christian Identity" group. As I said before I don't know anymore about them that what you posted.

Why they promote the books you hate as a part of their agenda, I don't have a clue, possibly so it would give you what you seek. They do not interests me one little bit as to what they believe and what their agenda is. "master race" is demonic, and is not a part of what is Written that happened or will happen. I do my best to stay away from crumbs from the devil.

You do such a good job keepting tabs on them so keep it up.

Obviously, you do have your own ideas who the "ten tribes" are, just too chicken to say. One thing is for sure though you are determined to make sure that those Europeans get no where closed to be labeled part of those tribes.

Genetics linking a group of people over anytime frame does not establish who the parent is without the parent. Only shows that the group is related.

Interesting that you say you don't know who is, but yet on the other hand you know who is not. Still on that one track.

The evidence you demand and require will have to come directly from our Heavenly Father, maybe your eyes will be open to see it when it comes.

Some have been blinded, some have been sent strong delusions so that they believe a lie. Take a bit of time and figure out who are blinded and who believes lies, maybe then you might get a little closer to what you claim you seek.