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"Where did you get the list?" Cute, long time before the "Christian Identity" group grabbed on to them, cause I didn't even know they laid claim to them untill you thought you laid a snare.

So are you the one who sent the list to the "Christian Identity"?

No, of course not. Now how about some direct answers from you?
Why is there such a strong correlation between your beliefs about the Ten Tribes and your sources supporting those beliefes, and the Aryan Nations Catalog?
Where did you get your reading list?

Given you only have one track in your mind I will try one last time.
The "ten tribes" were taken captive by the Assryian King.

This group of people in their captivity were taken north....

I've read your story. We agree on this much. The rest of your account is without foundation, save from fringe sources and a twisted reading of scripture.
It's interesting that at #6, you were so quick to dismiss Kurdish Jews, "there is no proof or basis to claim that the Kurdish Jews are the Ten Tribes."
Do you know where Kurdistan is?

Now, consider that map in the light of the acknowledged fact that the Israelite captives of the Ten Tribes were taken North by the Assyrian king.
Here are a couple of maps of the Assyrian Empire:

Now, consider that Kurdistan is to the North of Israel, on the Northernmost periphery of the Assyrian Empire. Consider also the genetic findings about Kurdish Jews cited by the original article:

A particularly intriguing case illustrating this is that of the Kurdish Jews, said to be the descendants of the Ten Tribes of Israel who were exiled in 723 BCE. to the area known today as Kurdistan, located in Northern Iraq, Iran and Eastern Turkey. They continued to live there as a separate entity until their immigration to Israel in the 1950s. The Kurdish Jews of today show a much greater affinity to their fellow Jews elsewhere than to the Kurdish Moslems.

Are the Kurdish Jews a remnant of one or some of the Lost Tribes? It's certainly possible, as they fit not only the scriptural description and have the right genes, but also have linguistic support for this claim...
Aramaic was born in Mesopotamia (present-day Iraq) at least 3,500 years ago. It was the language spoken by the patriarch Abraham, and served as a trade language among the various peoples of the ancient Middle East, very much like English does today.
In a phenomenal wave of expansion, Aramaic spread to Israel and Syria and large tracts of Asia and Egypt, replacing many languages, including Akkadian and Hebrew. For about 1,000 years, it served as the official and written language of the Near East, officially beginning with the conquests of the Assyrian Empire, which had adopted Aramaic as its official language.
The earliest known inscriptions in Aramaic date back to the ninth century B.C.E. Parts of the biblical books of Jeremiah, Daniel and Ezra were written in Aramaic, as was the Talmud.
By the time of the later Chaldean and Persian conquests, Aramaic had become the closest thing to an international language. Despite Hellenistic influences that followed the conquests of Alexander the Great, Aramaic remained the vernacular of the conquered peoples in the Holy Land, Syria, Mesopotamia and the adjacent countries. It eventually ceded linguistic supremacy in the region to Arabic in the ninth century C.E.
As a result, the Assyrians boast that this was the spoken language during the times of Jesus.
"Modern" Aramaic is very different from the ancient language. It has a western version and an eastern one.
The western dialect is still used in three villages in Syria, where people use the language not only for prayer but for everyday life. This is the only place in the world where the language is still alive.
The eastern dialect was used in the northeastern corner of Iraq, where it borders Iran, Turkey and Russia; this is the dialect used by Kurdish Jews in Israel.
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Also...
The Talmud holds that Jewish deportees were settled in Kurdistan 2800 years ago by the Assyrian king Shalmaneser Ill (r. 858-824 BC).
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Scholars, such as Yitzhak Ben Zvi, the second President of Israel, regarded the Jews of Kurdistan as the ""Lost" ones in the Land of Assyria (Isaiah 27:13), or: "The only tribe to preserve a 2700 year-old tradition, the traces of a most ancient stratum in the history of Israel, recalling in nature the people of the First Temple Period" (1963:74).
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Throughout the Middle East, smaller communities of Jews, Christians and Baha'is also consider themselves Kurds. Israel's 150,000 Kurds constitute the greatest concentration of these non-Muslim groups. The Kurdish Jews emigrated to Israel in the 1950s, having lived in Mesopotamia since the Assyrian exile: "The king of Assyria carried the Israelites away to Assyria, settled them in Halah, on the Habor, the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes." (2 Kings 18:11)
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If, in the light of all of this, you're not prepared to accept a Lost Tribe origing for Kurdish Jews, that's fine. I'm not necessarily convinced either. However, the range of sources I've provided from a number of different disciplines does call into question your statement that "there is no proof or basis to claim that the Kurdish Jews are the Ten Tribes."
Since there is certainly some basis for the Kurdish claim you are clearly in error on that point, so you may want to reconsider others you have made, and the sources on which you've based your claims.

You have ignored that I said that unless and until the body of Jacob/Israel was used for DNA that no one can claim legally to be from Jacob/Israel.

No, I've pointed out twice on this thread, at #178 and #244, that your thinking here betrays a lack of knowledge about genetics. One doesn't need the genetic material of the parent to demonstrate a kinship between progeny. This is true even if that parent is a Patriarch who has been dead for some 4,000 years.
Even if you don't believe that Kurdish Jews are a Lost Tribe remnant, genetic analysis, as this thread's article states, has established a kinship with other Jews that spans thousands of years of separation.

I have as much credibility in what I have said as you have in pushing your own agenda. Yet you think yourself clever in trying to make the subject about idiots that wrap themselves in others writings.

This is quite an ironic application of relativism to the truth, as you've wrapped yourself in those same questionable writings to come to many of the same conclusions as those whom you call "idiots."
You are proclaiming your credibility while denying that of groups to whom you've made yourself intellectually bound. The truth is that one can explore this subject without believing what Arayan Nations and Christian Identity groups are promoting.
The whereabouts of the Ten Lost Tribes is of interest to archaeologists, anthropologists, ethnologists, linguists, Christians and Jews. There is a great deal of information acumulated, and more is discovered all the time.
Here's a list of some worthwhile links to websites about the possible identities and locations of the Lost Tribes in which efforts are made to reconcile genetic, linguistic, cultural, Historical, and scriptural evidence....

The Cohanim Modal Haplotype

The CMH Tool Discovery
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References
A. Here are links to the five original scientific articles (in chronological order):

1.   The original study of the Jewish Priests: "Y-Chromosomes of Jewish Priests", by M. F. Hammer, Karl Skorecki, et al. (Nature, 385:32, 1997)

2.   The second article expanding upon the discovery: "Origins of Old Testament Priests" by Karl Skorecki, David Goldstein, M. G. Thomas, et al. (Nature, 394:138-140, 1998)

3.   The third article, applying the discovery for the first time to a population claiming to be "of the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel" (but without further proof than tribal traditions and stories): "Y chromosomes traveling south: the Cohen modal Haplotype and the origin of the Lemba - the 'Black Jews of Southern Africa'" by M. G. Thomas, et al. (American Journal of Human Genetics, 66:674-86, February 2000)

4.   A much broader study of population genetics of some of the same Middle Eastern populations (and by some of the same authors) "Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes" by M. F. Hammer et. al. (Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, Vol 97, Issue 12, 6769-6774, June 6, 2000)

5.   And, more recently, there is a failed attempt to discredit the above articles (that actually adds much useful information expanding and confirming the discovery): "Are today's Jewish Priests descended from the old ones" by Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin, Ph.D. (HOMO: Journal of Comparative Human Biology - Zeitschrift fuer vergleichende Biologie des Menschen, Vol. 53, No. 2-3, 2000, pg. 156-162).

It is not yet available freely online. There is a good report about it at: http://www.ariga.com/genes.htm.

B. As research continues, new scientific papers are published. Here are several recent ones:

1. "The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East" by Almut Nebel, Dvora Filon, Bernd Brinkmann, Partha P. Majumder, Marina Faerman, and Ariella Oppenheim [The American Journal of Human Genetics 69:5 (November 2001): 1095-1112].

2. "High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews" by Almut Nebel1, Dvora Filon, Deborah A. Weiss, Michael Weale, Marina Faerman, Ariella Oppenheim, and Mark G. Thomas [Human Genetics 107(6) (December 2000): 630-641].

C. In addition, there are several nice programs online about this same general topic:

1. Here is a nice program about the Hebrew Ten Lost Tribes:

"Mystery of the Ten Lost Tribes"
This program features the work of the predicted king (who is predicted to find the famous Hebrew Ten Lost Tribes).

2. Here is a nice NOVA program about the Hebrew Ten Lost Tribes:

"Lost Tribes of Israel"
This program features Dr. Tudor Parfitt (an anthropologist)[director of the Center for Jewish Studies at the School for Oriental and African Studies in London] and his fascinating detective work study of the Lemba tribe (placed into a recent book by him: Journey to the Vanished City (Phoenix, London)).
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That's just the tip of the iceberg. The Ten Lost Tribes are an interesting subject. You should consider availing yourself of more information than just the theories promoted by Aryan Nations and Christian Identity groups.