See men shredded, then say you don't back war (MUST, MUST READ!)

The Times ^ | March 18, 2003 | Ann Clwyd

[MadIvan]

What kind of sick, base, demented, M.F. sits around and thinks this stuff up?

Right, we'll put you down in the Saddam apologist category.

Ivan

[goodnesswins]

Yes...and no one should have ratted on Hitler either.

[Husker24]

Where does one find people cruel enough to carry these things out, I dont think I could do it at gunpoint.

[tomkat]

Saddam is an evil bastard who should die. And with God's help, he will

my sentiments exactly.
proof that neither you nor i will be offered a diplomatic post anytime soon.

watched some of the televised Commons this afternoon.
looks like we don't have the market cornered on maroons over here ...

[Mr. Lucky]

Do you feel the same way about the accounts of Sobibor, Treblinka and Auschwitz?

[CaptSkip]

Again Ivan, Thank you.

Your one of the best.

[The Scorpion King]

This is what the people in the "peace movement" are supporting.

[MadIvan]

Where does one find people cruel enough to carry these things out, I dont think I could do it at gunpoint.

They said the same thing about Auschwitz; I've been there and seen that there are still flecks of human bone spewed out by the chimneys there. Man is capable of incredible cruelty and evil - it's a fact we turn our back on at our peril.

Regards, Ivan

[Billthedrill]

Yeah, I know the feeling. OTOH, the doings of the Nazis in the death camps were widely reported too, and widely dismissed as propaganda. What to do? If you believe this stuff and it later turns out to be false you feel like a fool, if you disbelieve it and it later turns out to be true, you feel like...well, like one of those "good Germans" who just couldn't believe the stories either.

Personally I am of the opinion that Saddam has already proven himself a murderous thug and fully capable of this sort of thing. But I say hang him for what we already know is true - it's quite sufficient.

[paul51]

But, but, but the inspections are working and we haven't exhauted all diplomatic efforts and war is an admission of failure and, and and....

[kosta50]

Yeah, and so were the Kuwaiti incubator baby stories...btw I have a bridge to sell you.

[duckbutt]

Much thanks, Ivan - - I sent the article to several pantload peacenicks I know asking them if they still thought George Bush was a "butcher".

[dead]

I agree. If we don't have film of the atrocities, or the bloody machine, in our possession, it's not fact, it's rumor.

We have plenty of facts. And we'll have more after we rummage through some of those "palaces."

[Alberta's Child]

Read my post again -- Nobody's here to defend Saddam Hussein.

Why did my government have to lie to me in 1991?

And the comments about Hitler are right on target -- but it was the U.S. government that covered his @ss in the 1930s.

[Husker24]

There is no way I could watch much less throw 20 people into a shredder, I would just turn to jello. If ordered to I could probably shoot people if there was a reason, but there aint no way in hell I could throw someone into a shredder or hang a woman upside down by thier hair. I shure as hell couldnt burn a little girls eye out with a cigar. It seems unfathomable to me.

[Alberta's Child]

Yeah, I know the feeling. OTOH, the doings of the Nazis in the death camps were widely reported too, and widely dismissed as propaganda.

I'm not talking about anything that's being dismissed out of hand -- I'm referring specifically to a case involving family members of Kuwaiti government officials who testified before Congress and who lied their @sses off in the process. Just to generate public support in the U.S. for the "liberation" of their country.

[MadIvan]

Yeah, and so were the Kuwaiti incubator baby stories...btw I have a bridge to sell you.

Iraqi will be liberated shortly and the proof will be uncovered. If I were you, I would have kept silent my belief in the relative "goodness" of Saddam Hussein, virtues of his for which you have no evidence.

Ivan

[PoisedWoman]

The author has been a member of parliament for several terms....a lady from Wales who also is chairman of the organization whose researchers took these statements. What's not to believe about these atrocities?

[tomahawk]

Why do you put the "liberation" of Kuwait in quote marks?

[The Scorpion King]

"Here's to a shredded Saddam---feet first."

His sons, and all of his male relatives too! Saddam's evil should be wiped off the face of the earth as an example to all of the other dictators in the world!!