Posted on 03/06/2003 12:40:07 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
WASHINGTON -- A Vatican envoy Wednesday carried the pope's message to the White House that a U.S.-led war against Iraq without United Nations' approval would be "unjust and illegal."
The stern words from Cardinal Pio Laghi, who met for 40 minutes with Bush, underscored the rift between the president, who considers himself a deeply religious man, and a number of Christian leaders over Iraq.
Pope John Paul II has regularly preached against the war and asked Catholics worldwide to pray for peace and fast on Ash Wednesday.
Several mainstream Protestant denominations also have come out against a pre-emptive strike by the United States against Baghdad.
But the dispute between the White House and the pope over Iraq poses an especially difficult political quandary for Bush, who has aggressively sought to woo traditionally Democratic Catholic voters to the Republican fold.
The meeting Wednesday did not appear to bridge the gap.
While Bush has signaled that he is prepared to confront Saddam Hussein even without the Security Council's approval, Laghi said that the Vatican believes a just war can be waged only with the United Nations' endorsement.
Laghi said before going to war the United Nations should take into account "the grave consequences of such an armed conflict: the suffering of the people of Iraq and those involved in the military operation, a further instability in the region and a new gulf between Islam and Christianity."
He said that any war without U.N. approval "is illegal, it is unjust, it's all you can say."
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said that Bush defended his policy to the Cardinal, telling him, "if it comes to the use of force he believes it will make the world better."
Officials said that Bush disagreed with the Vatican's contention that a war would widen the gulf between the West and the Muslim world. The president argued that U.S. efforts to expand educational opportunities for children in Afghanistan had brought the cultures closer.
Laghi, a former Vatican ambassador to the United States who was close to Bush's father, delivered a letter from the pope to the president, which concluded "I ask the Lord to inspire you to search for ways of stable peace -- the noblest of human endeavors."
The White House was clearly nervous about the publicity of the rift between Bush and the Vatican, particularly coming during a period of tense negotiations at the United Nations.
Laghi, addressing reporters at the National Press Club, said that administration officials would not allow him to hold a press conference in the White House. It is customary for visitors to field media questions in the driveway in front of the West Wing after they meet with the president.
The growing tension with the Vatican could undercut Bush's efforts to court Catholic voters.
Since assuming office Bush has twice visited the pope in Italy and has spoken at the commencement at Notre Dame University. The president also has appealed to more observant Catholics by opposing abortion and cloning.
But experts said Bush risks losing support from those voters by pressing ahead with war.
"Bush goes to Catholics and talks about how he is opposed to abortion. It is the same values that lead Catholics to oppose abortion that lead them to oppose war," said John Green, a political science professor at the University of Akron.
Dan Bartlett, the president's chief communications adviser, rejected the contention that the pope's appeal may erode support among American Catholics for possible war.
"There are many Catholics who support," Bush's Iraq policy, Bartlett said. "I am one of them."
Recent polls suggest that so far the Vatican's influence has been limited in the United States.
A recent survey by the Pew Center for the Public and the Press found that about two thirds of American Catholics backed military action in Iraq -- similar to the overall backing for war.
The poll found the highest backing for war comes from evangelical Christians, who have long provided the backbone of Bush's political support.
And not surprisingly it is evangelical leaders who have broken with many Protestant churches on the issue of Iraq.
A practicing Methodist who was raised an Episcopalian, Bush speaks the language of evangelical Christians, according to a number of religious scholars who have studied his speeches.
The president laces his speeches with references to faith and citations from the Bible, often linking his religious faith to domestic and international policy.
"I welcome faith to solve the nation's deepest problems," he recently told a convention of religious broadcasters.
Bush's use of religious rhetoric, however, has troubled a number of secular and religious critics who say the president is unfairly endowing himself with moral authority to justify war.
The Beltway news media is all abuzz over NEWSWEEK's bombshell cover story -- a devastating account of a mushrooming White House scandal which, till now, only lurked below the surface.
Face it: Every White House, sooner or later, gets hit with 'The Big One' -- a major scandal -- and I'm afraid, for Bush, this may be it.
As far as White House scandals, you probably think you've heard and seen 'em all, I bet. Presidential perjury, obstruction of justice, selling the White House, stealing the White House, trashing the White House, pardons-for-sale, vandalism, larceny, embezzlement, seduction of interns -- we got all these and more under the most ethical administration in history alone.
Well, ya ain't heard nothing yet, folks.
Get a load of this: "George W. Bush rises ahead of the dawn most days," writes NEWSWEEK reporter Howard Fineman, and "he goes off to a quiet place to read alone."
Reading alone -- that's the Big Scandal?
Wrong. What's he reading, ummmm?
Detective Fineman lays out the damaging details rocking the White House tonight: "His text isn't news summaries or the overnight intelligence dispatches...It's not recreational reading...IT'S A BOOK OF EVANGELICAL MINI-SERMONS," Oswald Chambers', '"My Utmost for His Highest"!
Scary stuff, yes, but that's not all.
"This presidency" Fineman continues in his tale of White House horrors, "is the most resolutely 'faith-based' in modern times, an enterprise founded, supported and guided by trust in the temporal and spiritual power of God."
Brace yourself, here's the bombshell revelation: "The Bush administration is dedicated to the idea that there is an answer to societal problems here and to terrorism abroad: give everyone, everywhere, the freedom to find God, too."
Bush is a born-again Christian! And he prays, too! And he reads the Bible!
While the White House may have weathered initial blows from these startling revelations, the bottom line is the bottom line: Bush is way, way TOO CHRISTIAN, say the newsies!
But wait: "An envoy sent by Pope John Paul on Wednesday," Reuters reports, "urged President George W. Bush to avoid war and work with the United Nations to seek a peaceful resolution to the Iraqi crisis."
Cardinal Pio Laghi, during his private White House meeting with the President, conveyed a letter from the Pope which read, in part, "I ask the Lord to inspire you to search for a way to a stable peace, the noblest of human endeavors."
Reuters: "Asked whether he had persuaded Bush to rule out war as an outcome to the Iraqi situation, Laghi said: 'You have to ask him.'"
The answer, in other words, was NO! Bush told the Pope no!
So now the media says BUSH ISN'T CHRISTIAN ENOUGH!
So the week began with the media griping and fussing and carping that Bush was too Christian for the job, that his fervent faith only alienates Muslims and the Arab world.
But here we are, barely four days later, and Bush gets slammed for not being fervent enough in keeping with Christian principles and faith.
Don't ya love such displays of unflinching consistency from our rabidly fair-minded, detached and objective news media?
But mull this one over: With the very open Bush-Pope split on Iraq, claims in the Arab world that Bush is a crusader -- a notion NEWSWEEK sought to stoke with it's Bush and God cover story -- will ring more hollow than ever.
Anyway, that's...
My two cents...
"JohnHuang2"
Those three factors can be quickly discounted.
The people of Iraq are already suffering, the region is perenially unstable, and there is a yawning gulf between Islam and Christianity- principally caused by ideological upheavals amongst Muslims themselves. With the greatest of respect to his Holiness, there's nothing in this message worthy of serious reflection.
Same question over here. Which law are we violating? Which treaty? The article gives no hint about this and I'll bet the Vatican can't make a legal case. Why is the Vatican so intent on embarassing itself these days? Doesn't it have enough on its plate without embroiling itself in electoral politics over here?
That doesn't fit into the script. Church institutions have taken up the LIBERAL banner.
Ecology Getting Religion*** ''Because I confess Christ to be my savior and Lord, because he died to reconcile all things, I can't be hurting what he died to reconcile me to,'' said the Rev. Jim Ball, executive director of the Evangelical Environmental Network in Washington, D.C.
The belief extends across Catholic, evangelical, Protestant, and Jewish groups.
''The concept of stewardship is at the heart of the religious rhetoric of human responsibility,'' said Rabbi Ismar Schorsch, chancellor of the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York City. ''A reverence for nature is part of the religious sensibility.''
Also vital is the idea of environmental protection as the kind of social justice that religious institutions have supported for decades.
While these arguments have been around in one form or another for a long time, religious and environmental movements primarily had existed on opposing sides of the political spectrum, with conservatism fueled by people of faith while environmentalism grew out of and helped nourish progressive politics. Only in the past dozen years have religions formally started to address environmental concerns.
In 1989, Pope John Paul II issued a message on ''The Ecological Crisis: A Common Responsibility.'' In 1990, Carl Sagan organized 32 eminent scientists to sign an open letter to the world religious community, calling for their help on issues like global warming.
The National Religious Partnership for the Environment was founded in 1992. Its constituent groups say they now serve 100 million Americans.
The new-style environmentalists gained attention in the early months of Republican control of Congress in 1995, when they successfully fought to preserve the Endangered Species Act after it came under attack from GOP lawmakers. More recently, they have focused on the threat of global warming, and in the meantime getting noticed by the White House.
When the Environmental Protection Agency administrator, Christie Whitman, made the case to President Bush in March that the administration should take action on global warming, she cited the growing movement.
''For the first time the world's religious communities have started to engage in this issue,'' Whitman wrote in a memorandum to the president. ''Their solutions vary widely, but the fervor of the focus was clear.''***
National Council of Churches***Stop the War Fast - Celebrate the season of Lent by calling for peace with Iraq and taking personal and community steps to reduce America's dependence on petroleum. In so doing, we seek justice for all people and all of creation.***
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops*** Welcome to the USCCB Environmental Justice Program. We have a variety of resources for you to use in your parish, diocese, school, etc., to foster care and respect for God's creation. Please check out the list below, and feel free to make copies of this information for your group.***
Statement of Cardinal Pio Laghi, Papal Envoy to President George Bush following their meeting at the White House today. [Full Text] I was privileged to have been sent by the Holy Father as his Special Envoy to President George Bush. I assured him of the Holy Father's great esteem and affection for the American people and the United States of America.
The purpose of my visit was to deliver a personal message of the Holy Father to the President regarding the Iraqi crisis, to expound upon the Holy See's position and to report on the various initiatives undertaken by the Holy See to contribute to disarmament and peace in the Middle East.
Out of respect for the President and because of the importance of this moment, I am not in a position to discuss the substance of our conversation, nor am I able to release the text of the personal letter of the Holy Father to the President.
The Holy See is urging those in positions of civil authority to take fully into account all aspects of this crisis. In that regard, the Holy See's position has been two-fold. First, the Iraqi government is obliged to fulfill completely and fully its international obligations regarding human rights and disarmament under the UN resolutions with respect for international norms. Second, these obligations and their fulfillment must continue to be pursued within the framework of the United Nations.
The Holy See maintains that there are still peaceful avenues within the context of the vast patrimony of international law and institutions which exist for that purpose. A decision regarding the use of military force can only be taken within the framework of the United Nations, but always taking into account the grave consequences of such an armed conflict: the suffering of the people of Iraq and those involved in the military operation, a further instability in the region and a new gulf between Islam and Christianity.
I want to emphasize that there is great unity on this grave matter on the part of the Holy See, the Bishops in the United States, and the Church throughout the world.
I told the President that today, on Ash Wednesday, Catholics around the world are following the Pope's request to pray and fast for peace this day. The Holy Father himself continues to pray and hope that all leaders who face difficult decisions will be inspired in their search for peace. [End]
Thom White Wolf Fassett As emeritus General Secretary of the international rights organization of The United Methodist Church, The General Board of Church and Society, Thom White Wolf Fassett brings a rich and varied background of experience now as Superintendent of Finger Lakes South District of The United Methodist Church.
Dr. Fassett has written and published extensively co-authoring Human Rights and Responsibilities in a Divided World (Prague, Institute of Philosophy of the Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic, 1996) and Defending Mother Earth, Native American Perspectives on Environmental Justice (New York, Orbis Books, 1996). His numerous articles have appeared in periodicals and scholarly publications and from 1988 until 2000, he was the publisher of Christian Social Action a monthly United Methodist magazine. He has also served as adjunct faculty member of Colgate Rochester Divinity School, Bexley Hall Seminary and Crozer Theological School and has received numerous honors and appears in various international biographical publications. His most recent appointments include serving as a founding member of the Institute for the Study of Harassment of African Americans in Washington, D.C.; Advisory Council, Americans for Humanitarian Trade with Cuba, and advisor to the President's Commission on Race. ***
Evangelical Environmental Network & Creation Care Magazine***EEN is a unique evangelical ministry whose purpose is to "declare the Lordship of Christ over all creation (Col. 1:15-20). EEN was formed because we recognize many "environmental" problems are fundamentally spiritual problems. EEN's flagship publication, Creation Care magazine, provides you with biblically informed and timely articles on topics ranging from how to protect your loved ones against environmental threats to how you can more fully praise the Creator for the wonder of His creation. You can sign up today for a free issue of Creation Care magazine.***
Hazon and the New York Jewish Environmental Bike RideWe're delighted to announce our first Israel Ride - "The Arava Institute Hazon Bike Ride In Israel: Cycling In Solidarity for Peace, Partnership & Environmental Protection", which takes place April 27th to May 2nd 2003.***
The National Religious Partnership for the Environment*** The National Religious Partnership for the Environment is a formal alliance of major faith groups and denominations across the spectrum of Jewish and Christian communities and organizations in the United States. Its four founding partners include: The U.S. Catholic Conference, the National Council of Churches of Christ, the Coalition on the Environment and Jewish Life, and the Evangelical Environmental Network.
The Partnership is integrating care for God's creation throughout religious life: theology, worship, social teaching, education, congregational life, and public policy initiative. And we seek to provide inspiration, moral vision, and commitment to social justice for all efforts to protect the natural world and human well-being within it.***
Eco-heretic beset by hate campaign*** The book was published by Cambridge University Press. Last autumn it sent Lomborg on a promotional tour of Britain and America, little realising the reaction that was building up. It began when Lomborg was heckled and booed at a book-signing at Borders bookshop in Oxford. As he was speaking, one of the crowd rushed forward and pushed a cream-laden baked Alaska pie into his face.
Last week the protester, Mark Lynas, an environmentalist campaigning to save the Arctic from the effects of climate change, admitted the attack and said: "Hitting him with a baked Alaska seemed appropriate. Global warming is destroying one of the Earth's last wildernesses and Lomborg is trying to pretend it doesn't matter." Even respectable scientific venues are not safe for Lomborg. When he recently gave a lecture at London's Royal Institution he was protected by four bodyguards, and threats were made against him when he addressed the London School of Economics.
The biggest shock came when Nature, the usually restrained scientific journal, printed a review comparing Lomborg to maverick academics who deny the Holocaust. The reviewers said Lomborg's text "employs the strategy of those who argue that gay men are not dying of Aids, that Jews weren't singled out by the Nazis and so on".***
"Democratic Socialists of America share a vision of a humane international social order based on equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, gender and racial equality, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, and non-oppressive relationships." The Progressive Challenge 6. GUARANTEE SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES & ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE - Distribution of more federal funds, especially to poor communities; revisions in trade agreements to allow communities to enact strong environmental and labor laws; and re-targeting federal insurance, subsidies, and loans for community development; promoting the right to a clean environment and replacing subsidies for polluters with subsidies for ecologically sound products and services. We also support a shift to more sustainable agriculture that supports rural communities and a safe food supply.***
Evangelical Environmental Network & Creation Care Magazine***EEN is a unique evangelical ministry whose purpose is to "declare the Lordship of Christ over all creation (Col. 1:15-20). EEN was formed because we recognize many "environmental" problems are fundamentally spiritual problems. EEN's flagship publication, Creation Care magazine, provides you with biblically informed and timely articles on topics ranging from how to protect your loved ones against environmental threats to how you can more fully praise the Creator for the wonder of His creation. You can sign up today for a free issue of Creation Care magazine.***
Hazon and the New York Jewish Environmental Bike RideWe're delighted to announce our first Israel Ride - "The Arava Institute Hazon Bike Ride In Israel: Cycling In Solidarity for Peace, Partnership & Environmental Protection", which takes place April 27th to May 2nd 2003.***
The National Religious Partnership for the Environment*** The National Religious Partnership for the Environment is a formal alliance of major faith groups and denominations across the spectrum of Jewish and Christian communities and organizations in the United States. Its four founding partners include: The U.S. Catholic Conference, the National Council of Churches of Christ, the Coalition on the Environment and Jewish Life, and the Evangelical Environmental Network.
The Partnership is integrating care for God's creation throughout religious life: theology, worship, social teaching, education, congregational life, and public policy initiative. And we seek to provide inspiration, moral vision, and commitment to social justice for all efforts to protect the natural world and human well-being within it.***
Eco-heretic beset by hate campaign*** The book was published by Cambridge University Press. Last autumn it sent Lomborg on a promotional tour of Britain and America, little realising the reaction that was building up. It began when Lomborg was heckled and booed at a book-signing at Borders bookshop in Oxford. As he was speaking, one of the crowd rushed forward and pushed a cream-laden baked Alaska pie into his face.
Last week the protester, Mark Lynas, an environmentalist campaigning to save the Arctic from the effects of climate change, admitted the attack and said: "Hitting him with a baked Alaska seemed appropriate. Global warming is destroying one of the Earth's last wildernesses and Lomborg is trying to pretend it doesn't matter." Even respectable scientific venues are not safe for Lomborg. When he recently gave a lecture at London's Royal Institution he was protected by four bodyguards, and threats were made against him when he addressed the London School of Economics.
The biggest shock came when Nature, the usually restrained scientific journal, printed a review comparing Lomborg to maverick academics who deny the Holocaust. The reviewers said Lomborg's text "employs the strategy of those who argue that gay men are not dying of Aids, that Jews weren't singled out by the Nazis and so on".***
"Democratic Socialists of America share a vision of a humane international social order based on equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, gender and racial equality, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, and non-oppressive relationships."
The Progressive Challenge*** 6. GUARANTEE SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES & ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE - Distribution of more federal funds, especially to poor communities; revisions in trade agreements to allow communities to enact strong environmental and labor laws; and re-targeting federal insurance, subsidies, and loans for community development; promoting the right to a clean environment and replacing subsidies for polluters with subsidies for ecologically sound products and services. We also support a shift to more sustainable agriculture that supports rural communities and a safe food supply.***
Imagine! I think people need to start THINKING. Unfortunately too many have been educated and indoctrinated in public schools. The environment has become a religious cause and triggers an emotional, blind response when sponsored by their religious leaders. Now that they're plugged in with the eco thing, everything else is just spoon fed.
I don't see it. Let the Pope pray for peace. Let U.S. action bring it about.
***The Holy See is urging those in positions of civil authority to take fully into account all aspects of this crisis. In that regard, the Holy See's position has been two-fold. First, the Iraqi government is obliged to fulfill completely and fully its international obligations regarding human rights and disarmament under the UN resolutions with respect for international norms. Second, these obligations and their fulfillment must continue to be pursued within the framework of the United Nations.
The Holy See maintains that there are still peaceful avenues within the context of the vast patrimony of international law and institutions which exist for that purpose. A decision regarding the use of military force can only be taken within the framework of the United Nations, but always taking into account the grave consequences of such an armed conflict: the suffering of the people of Iraq and those involved in the military operation, a further instability in the region and a new gulf between Islam and Christianity. ***
Ecclesiastes 3:8 states that there is a "time for war and a time for peace." In these times of warfare, we often ask, "How should we respond? What should be our attitude?" We will find biblical answers for these questions when we explore the ultimate issue: What does the Word of God say about warfare?
When a nation goes to war, Gods people need to fully understand their heavenly Fathers viewpoint about this matter. Naturally, God is not excited about war. He does not enjoy bloodshed and vengeance. However, He is dealing with a world of people who have a fallen naturesinful, wicked and vile. Romans 3:10-11,15-17 describes mankind without God: " there is none righteous, not even one; there is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God. . . . Their feet are swift to shed blood, destruction and misery are in their paths, and the path of peace they have not known."
God battles with people who oppose Him, who fight against Him and His followers. So, even though He hates war, God is not against it. Throughout the Old Testament, there are examples of God using warfare to carry out His plans, to punish the wicked and preserve His people (Deut. 9:4-6; Deut. 20; Jer. 5; Numbers 33:55-56). You may think, "How could God do that?" He says in Isaiah 55:9, "My ways are higher than your ways and My thoughts are higher than your thoughts." God has divine reasons for choosing to use war as a vehicle to accomplish His will.
In Scripture, God clearly establishes the governments responsibilities and authority over us, as well. In Romans 13:1 and 4, Paul writes, "every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. . .for it [the government] is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil."
The government is ordained by God with the right to promote good and restrain evil. This includes wickedness that exists within the nation, as well as any wicked persons or countries that threaten foreign nations. Obviously, there are times when a country should not go to war; but there are also times when, if a nation does not do so, they suffer the consequences. Therefore, a government has biblical grounds to go to war in the nations defense or to liberate others in the world who are enslaved.
You may think, "Well, how do we reconcile that with what Jesus said about loving our enemies and turning the other cheek?" (Luke 6:27-30) In that passage, Jesus was speaking to us as individuals. If someone treats us badly, we should love him anyway. We can pray for our enemies, and do good to those who hate us. The way someone treats an individual is one thing; the way he treats an entire nation is a completely different issue. The Bible teaches that it is the responsibility of the governments leaders to protect the nation against those who would destroy it.
The Bible also instructs citizens in the proper way to respond when their country goes to war. For example, it is a violation of the Word of God to refuse to defend your country if ordered. Recall Romans 13:1-2: "every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God. . .Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves." According to this verse, were to be submissive to the laws of the land. The only reason we have for disobeying the government is if it requires us to behave in a way that clearly violates some specific verse or command of God (Acts 5:27-32).
Someone might say, "But I cant go to war because shooting the enemy would be murder, and the Bible says you shall not murder"(Exodus 20:13). Actually, when a man in combat shoots his enemy under the command of the government, without personal hatred, he is not committing murder. Instead, he is simply being obedient to the purpose for which he is fighting. To commit murder, a person must have vengeance and hatred against another. Many men have died on the battlefield without animosity toward anyone--they were fighting for a cause, defending or freeing their land. Therefore, if called, it is a citizens national and biblical responsibility to defend his country.
Even if we do not actually participate in the fighting, we are also called to create unity and harmony within the country. We need to support whatever decisions our nation makes, as long as they do not directly violate the Word of God. How can we justify the protests and marches against war? I understand that, in America, for example, we have a right to express our different opinions. However, there comes a time when our personal opinion is not a priority. The only reason we have the freedom to protest in this country is because thousands were willing to die for that liberty in the past.
Instead of resisting, we should offer to serve the war effort in any way possible during this time, especially by encouraging and helping the families of our soldiers. And the most important and powerful thing we can do for our nation is pray. Pray for our President, leaders, military, and even our enemies. God honors the prayers of His children and expects us to support those in authority.
Despite the many different opinions and philosophies about war, the most important consideration is Gods viewpoint. Throughout Scripture there is evidence that God favors war for divine reasons and sometimes uses it to accomplish His will. He has also given governments and their citizens very specific responsibilities in regards to this matter. This is a frightening time for all of the worlds citizens, but it is also a time for Gods people to rise up as a unified body against the global threat of evil and terror. I challenge you, as a child of God, to respond to this conflict as He desires: with an attitude of prayer, submission, and an unwavering dependence upon your heavenly Father.
Based on this, I would say that President Bush is perfectly justified in engaging in this war, and does not have to be concerned that he is displeasing God.
I wish that everyone who claims the mantle of "Christianity" would actually follow Christ and His commandments instead of relying on their own "wisdom" to guide their words and actions.
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