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Gun crime crisis dismissed as fiction
The Scotsman ^ | 11/01/2003 | Gethin Chamberlain

Posted on 01/11/2003 7:09:24 PM PST by David Hunter

THE impression that Britain is drowning under a tidal wave of gun crime is a fiction promulgated by the government to create the illusion it is cracking down on crime, a former police superintendent claimed yesterday.

Colin Greenwood, who has previously been consulted by the Commons home affairs select committee firearms sub-committee and acted as a firearms consultant to West Yorkshire Police, accused David Blunkett, the Home Secretary, of conning the public and creating a panic about guns.

His comments came as Mr Blunkett and senior police officers yesterday approved a firearms amnesty in the latest of a series of new measures to curb the use of guns, prompted by the shooting dead of two teenage girls in Birmingham.

Despite growing concern over the availability of guns in Britain, figures supplied to the United Nations and collated by Canadian government researchers showed that the UK is one of the safest countries in the world in terms of gun crime. Only Japan - a country with some of the strictest gun controls in the world - Romania and Guinea have a lower rate of gun killings per head of population.

In March 2000, the United Kingdom had a gun homicide rate of just 0.13 per 100,000 population, compared with 0.31 in Sweden, 0.56 in Australia, 1.5 in Argentina, 3.61 in the Philippines, 6.24 in the United States, 25.78 in Brazil and 26.63 in South Africa.

Yesterday, Mr Greenwood said the latest figures available showed that just one in ten murders was carried out with a firearm.

In England and Wales, 97 people died as a result of gunshot injuries, while 265 died as a result of stabbings, 57 were beaten to death with a blunt object and 148 were beaten or kicked to death.

"The average person in the UK is unlikely ever to see a gun. You are more likely to choke to death on your food than be shot," he said. "We are being conned by dishonest politicians. They are using the figures to lie to us to create a sense of panic and then to say that they have done something about it."

He said the problem was not the number of guns available but the willingness of people to use them and he accused the Home Office of attempting to make political capital out of the shootings in Birmingham.

"It is unquestioningly a knee-jerk response. They want to convince people they have done something but it is purely political point scoring," he said.

"They talk of mandatory penalties for possession of a firearm but the problem is simply not on that scale. The main point is that you are very unlikely to walk into a gun battle on your way home from work. Most murders are domestic or committed by someone known to the victim."

He said gun ownership in 19th century Britain had been commonplace but the level of homicide involving guns was lower than it is today and he claimed this week’s political reaction bore similarities to the introduction of the original Firearms Act in 1920.

Then the reason given for the introduction of the act was that there had been an increase in armed crime and there was a need to control the number of guns on Britain’s streets. But Cabinet papers released later revealed that there had been no such increase and that shootings on the streets of London were down from 45 before the First World War, to 15 in 1920.

According to the Cabinet papers, the real reason for the introduction of the law was that the government was nervous about the possibility of revolution and wanted to control firearms.

The latest attempt by the government to cut gun crime was announced yesterday after Mr Blunkett spent nearly two hours talking to senior police officers.

No date has yet been set for the firearms amnesty and ministers also asked for recommendations for possible extra anti-gun legislation to be presented at a follow-up meeting in March.

The move to allow gun owners to hand over illegal weapons to police without fear of prosecution received "strong support" at the meeting, said a Home Office spokesman.

Mr Blunkett called the meeting after new government figures released earlier this week showed firearms offences in England and Wales rose by 35 per cent last year.

Afterwards he said: "A number of significant decisions have been made which will build on the work already being done by the government and other agencies and organisations.

"Coupled with the extensive measures we have announced this week, they will help tackle the scourge of gun crime which blights our society."

But Iain Duncan Smith, the Tory leader, dismissed the summit as a "gimmick".

"This did not suddenly rise this year. This has been rising year on year for four or five years," he said. "What worries me and angers me, in a sense, is that the government has been almost utterly complacent about this until finally this set of figures where they have another summit."

Other measures agreed included encouraging responsible people in the community - including people in the music industry - to voice anti-gun messages.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
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"The average person in the UK is unlikely ever to see a gun. You are more likely to choke to death on your food than be shot," he said. "We are being conned by dishonest politicians. They are using the figures to lie to us to create a sense of panic and then to say that they have done something about it."

He said the problem was not the number of guns available but the willingness of people to use them and he accused the Home Office of attempting to make political capital out of the shootings in Birmingham.

Finally, a former elite policeman speaks out against the lying gun-grabbing politicians. The numbers of gun crimes have increased substantially since the total ban on handguns was enacted, but the number of crimes committed with firearms is lower than in many other developed countries and was even lower before the ban. But that won't stop Blunkett from trying to make a political gain out of this issue.

1 posted on 01/11/2003 7:09:24 PM PST by David Hunter
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To: bang_list
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2 posted on 01/11/2003 7:14:14 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: David Hunter
The British have a gun culture of death. They have wanted people to die for a long time. To all the British victims of crime, I say, SHAME ON YOU!!! for being part of the circle of violence.

Was that demagogery on the same level as that which has been flung in our direction on this side of the Atlantic? Hee, hee, hee.......I love shoveling it back at them.

3 posted on 01/11/2003 7:24:39 PM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: David Hunter
"...the real reason for the introduction of the law was that the government was nervous about the possibility of revolution and wanted to control firearms."

I'm always inclined to believe this line of reasoning. Even so, it is pretty easy for the government to 'piggy-back' the gun issue on the very real problem of assualts, home invasions and other violent crime that really is skyrocketing.

Maybe Mad Ivan will chime in with the real dope...
4 posted on 01/11/2003 7:30:31 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: *bang_list
Some newby just signed up as bang_list and will be pinged instead of the thread added to the *bang_list unless the asterisk is used.
5 posted on 01/11/2003 7:32:46 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: WorkingClassFilth
It is all about power. Any reason, or lie, will do.
6 posted on 01/11/2003 7:41:03 PM PST by Leisler
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To: David Hunter
Wonder if any of the people kicked to death would have made good use of a handgun? Or the unfortunates stabbed? Just wondering.

Even back before total registration (1923?) UK gun crime was very low.

Many people predicted an increase in non-gun crime if guns were banned. Maybe the UK press should go interview them now!
7 posted on 01/11/2003 7:41:07 PM PST by DBrow
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8 posted on 01/11/2003 8:01:12 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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To: Leisler
Someone needs to remind the Idiots where they had to turn to the last time they were under attack and had no weapons to defend themselves.


9 posted on 01/11/2003 8:08:19 PM PST by Area51
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
The British have a gun culture of death. They have wanted people to die for a long time. To all the British victims of crime, I say, SHAME ON YOU!!! for being part of the circle of violence.

LOL! That's a keeper...very funny.
10 posted on 01/11/2003 8:15:54 PM PST by Once-Ler (I voted for Dubya)
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To: David Hunter
"His comments came as Mr Blunkett and senior police officers yesterday approved a firearms amnesty in the latest of a series of new measures to curb the use of guns, prompted by the shooting dead of two teenage girls in Birmingham."

Amnesty for whom? The criminals aren't going to turn in their guns. This is just to further disarm the sheeple.
11 posted on 01/11/2003 8:36:16 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.-T.J.)
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To: David Hunter
P.S. I don't trust this guy. The people ar Britain may be rumbling about the crime and this guy is now telling them that crime really isn't that bad. (Go back to sleep, little sheeple.}
12 posted on 01/11/2003 8:38:15 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.-T.J.)
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Handgun crime rises by 46 per cent (In UK)
Times Newspapers Ltd ^ | January 09, 2003 | by pa news


Posted on 01/09/2003 5:58 AM PST by Lockbox


Handgun crime rises by 46 per cent


Gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35 per cent last year and criminals used handguns in nearly 50 per cent more offences, Home Office figures revealed today.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. In all, handgun crime rose 46 per cent year-on-year.

The figures also show the number of crimes involving handguns has more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871 in the last financial year.

13 posted on 01/11/2003 8:44:54 PM PST by copycat (666 is no longer alone...He's getting out the marrow from your backbone...)
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To: glock rocks; Pete-R-Bilt; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; Brian Allen
"...the real reason for the introduction of the law was that the government was nervous about the possibility of revolution and wanted to control firearms."

Let me repeat that word "revolution" the has the British government in an uncomfortable squirm. Why would they ever have to worry about the peaceful citizens of the Motherland revolting ? Just what tricks do they have up their sleeves that the Brits are going to have to endure?

I am glad that the NWO is trying our their plans on a small country first. It will give us Yanks a chance to see for ourselves just how well the Plan is going to work for the citizens.

14 posted on 01/11/2003 8:45:29 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
I was wondering what had happened. I finally figure it out by myself this morning.
15 posted on 01/11/2003 9:14:04 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Colin Greenwood has been writing against gun control since the early '70's. Once in a while, his articles would appear in Guns and Ammo magazine. I remember using one of his articles as a source in order to write a letter to the editor.
16 posted on 01/11/2003 9:17:56 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: razorback-bert
Ya can have that dangerous thang now bert ....it was all a clintonista style use of presstitution to further a socialist agenda in England :o)
17 posted on 01/11/2003 9:44:55 PM PST by Squantos (Stay Safe Ya'll !)
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To: B4Ranch
I don't think the plan will work too well in a nation with ten to fifteen million scoped deer rifles floating around.
18 posted on 01/11/2003 10:01:46 PM PST by Travis McGee (BLOAT, cache, and take names!)
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To: David Hunter
"The average person in the UK is unlikely ever to see a gun. You are more likely to choke to death on your food...

But the BBC TV spent the whole day repeating over and over that wearing guns has become a fasion statment amongst the street people...

Is it true that a bold lie, repeated often will hypnotize people?

The best way to defend yourself is not have a gun, the best way to defend yourself is not have a gun, the best way to defend yourself is not have a gun...

19 posted on 01/11/2003 10:45:30 PM PST by American in Israel (Hey, I may be "right" but it beats being wrong...)
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me; Once-Ler
The British have a gun culture of death.

As the great Homer said "It's funny cause it's true"

On the figures given
US 40-50% households with guns gives 50% of all homicides are firearm homicides
Sweden 15% of households with guns gives 15% of all homicides are firearm homicides
Australia 20% of all housholds with guns give 25% of all homicides are firearm homicides
also Finland 25% of all households with guns gives 25% of all homicides are firearm homicides

So how does the UK manage 10% firearm homicides when less than 5% of the households have guns? It's the UK Gun Culture!

20 posted on 01/12/2003 6:53:55 AM PST by Oztrich Boy
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