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USO Canteen FReeper Style ~ Marine Vets need help in DC on Sat. 1/18/03 ~ December 27 2002
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Posted on 12/27/2002 12:40:29 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

HEAR YE! HEAR YE! A CALL TO ARMS!

Saturday, January 18, 2003 Washington DC, 0900 at the Brothers of Nam statue near The Wall


Uncle Sam Wants YOU is something most of us remember. Many of us answered the call. There are literally millions upon millions of living war veterans who selflessly defended freedom and America and our families and fellow countrymen.
Over thirty years ago, the defenders of a free world fought a new kind of war. It was a war without a front, a war without a demonstrable support for its heroic fighters, but with a ferocious enemy back home capturing the media, college campuses, the entertainment industry, many of our own elected representatives, and the attention of the leaders of a militarily soundly defeated North Vietnamese Army and its communist allies, to whom said enemy back home, the radical left, gave aid and abetment.
All of the veterans of that conflict remember the vitriolic welcome home, and the discrimination against them, and the name calling and vile shunning from much of the very people they fought so bravely for.
NEVER AGAIN!
United States Marine Corps combat veterans of the Vietnam War have initiated an offensive; a war, if you will, against the stance and arrogance of the leftist radical movement. These vile traitors, sympathetic to the enemies of this nation have again, after thirty years, risen their ugly heads, Phoenix-like, to aid and abet our enemies. As before, they are demonstrating, trying to present, with the help of the liberal media, a false impression to the citizens and politicians of America, and the world, of a popular opposition to the United States defending itself and waging war upon those bent upon its destruction.
This is YOUR finest hour. Uncle Sam NEEDS you. Your arms are your willingness to help show the world the radical left is not going to be given the sole position of presenting the only voice of the will and wishes of our people; a false and noisy minority is all they are and ever have been.
Your call is to plan to join up with these Marines, and other patriotic Americans, and proceed to Washington, DC to be a needed member of our Righteous Demonstration against that of the leftist anti-war protestors. Noted media representative of the right have been notified we will be there to present and voice what we believe is still the position of the vast majority of Americans.
Time is very short. You may have to make a sacrifice of your time, travel expense, and the comfort of your home in front of the television on which you will be seeing the left once again doing their thing. Please, PLEASE, do not allow them to do it unopposed. YOU are needed!
The leftist demonstration will begin with a gathering on the west side of the White House, and will proceed to the U.S. Navy Yards about four miles to the southeast. You should simply request information, or any questions you may have about anything back to the source of this letter having been e-mailed or sent to you.
pointmanherc@ameritech.net
This letter ... this PLEA for 'militia' members in a fight against those bent upon the destruction of our country and way of life ... is being sent to many, many places. The total distribution will be unknown to anyone.
Because of that, none of us could know the magnitude of participation.
It IS known, however, that the United States Marine Vietnam combat veteran who wrote this letter, will, if necessary, stand for his nation, our loved ones, our way of life, and THE TRUTH, along with a small band of his brothers, ALONE AGAIN, if need be,
in Washington DC, at 0900 at the Brothers of Nam statue near The Wall, January 18, 2003.

Semper Fidelis, Joel Charles Kernodle - pointmanherc@ameritech.net

And the members of MOVE-OUT! (Marines & Other Veterans Engaging Outrageous Un-American Traitors!)


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According to a new poll out today, 61 percent of Israelis believe a US attack on Iraq would be good for Israel. The survey was published in Israel`s biggest newspaper “Yediot Ahronot.” A poll in the Hebrew daily “Ma`ariv” showed that 53 percent of Israelis believe Iraq will strike at Israel if attacked by the US, while 32 percent said they do not expect an Iraqi attack. Only 21 percent believe Iraq would attack Israel with chemical or biological weapons.
161 posted on 12/27/2002 9:19:05 PM PST by Dubya
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Iraq's Move - Stratfor

Summary

Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's primary strategy -- to use the weapons inspection process to divide the U.S. coalition, thereby avoiding war -- apparently has failed. Though opposition to war still exists, the venom has been drawn out following the fiasco of Iraq's 12,000-page weapons declaration. Iraq has lost credibility, and the allies have lost a credible basis for opposing Washington's war plans. With conflict looming in about a month, Hussein has time for one last play: He needs to frighten U.S. allies in order to get them to block the war. He has few good options, but if he does not play the hand he has left, it will be time to seek an exit strategy -- which is not his style. It's Hussein's move.
162 posted on 12/27/2002 9:20:00 PM PST by Dubya
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To: All
Analysis

Iraqi leaders seem to have accepted that their war-prevention strategy has failed. In hopes that the U.N. Security Council would prevent the United States from launching an unsanctioned war, Baghdad's strategy was to cooperate overtly with weapons inspections while, in fact, doing everything possible to buy time.

The Iraqi government saw the United States as boxed in on two sides. The United States wanted to wage war in the context of a coalition. Washington's European allies, save Britain, did not want a war; its regional allies, particularly Saudi Arabia, did not want a war. Hussein's read of the situation was that without European sanction and Saudi cooperation, the United States would not attack.

Hussein's view appeared to be that the European and Saudi positions had nothing to do with the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Each had their own, idiosyncratic reasons -- strategic or political -- to want to avoid war. On a deeper level, Hussein seemed to sense that the combination of overwhelming U.S. power, coupled with Washington's post-Sept. 11 obsession, made the United States dangerous to a wide range of nations. Any increase of U.S. power, such as a defeat of Iraq, simply would intensify this fear. Therefore, from Baghdad's viewpoint, the inspections were irrelevant -- a cover for Europe and Saudi Arabia to block U.S. actions they opposed anyway.

That was the logic behind the 12,000-page weapons declaration delivered to U.N. inspectors. Hussein apparently reasoned that European states would have a fine excuse for an exhaustive -- and extensive -- study of the documents and that they would seize on it. The mere fact that the 12,000 pages were merely copies of previously submitted material was insignificant, from Baghdad's point of view. The declaration was intended not to be taken seriously but to buy time for everyone concerned.

Hussein miscalculated U.S. influence. It certainly was true that European leaders did not want a war; it also was true that they wanted to resist the growth of U.S. power. What Hussein didn't understand, it appears, is that the desire to check great power derives from fear of it. It was one thing for Europe to oppose the United States in a way that had some plausibility -- therefore, thwarting the United States by insisting that the inspections go forward was defensible. Thwarting the United States over an indefensible document was another matter entirely. That was too risky. Washington had too many cards it could play.

Therefore, when the Bush administration forced its way into reviewing the document, it might have violated protocol, but it took away from the inspectors the ability to put the document in the best light possible and to allow European leaders to buy more time. Given the nature of the 12,000 pages and the fact that Washington could demonstrate Iraq's failure to comply with U.N. resolutions, the inspectors, while not using the magical phrase "material breach," could not argue with U.S. claims that Baghdad was not compliant.

That changed the entire dynamic of the relationship between Washington and Europe. The United States could prove at least some degree of noncompliance. By the rules that European states have established, Baghdad was beyond the pale. It was then simply a question of how far beyond the pale and what the trigger point would be. At least for the time being, the heart went out of the anti-war sentiment in Europe. Except for Germany, which marches to its own drummer these days, the Europeans remain opposed to war, but not with the vigor previously displayed. This means that the United States could wage war without risking its general coalition. Even though he is British, the recent announcement by NATO Secretary-General George Robertson that it is a moral imperative for the alliance to support the United States meant that the pieces are falling into place.

It was at this point that Iraq shifted into war-fighting mode. Stories of war games, of food distribution in anticipation of war, movement of troops and equipment, have begun to filter out of Iraq. Baghdad now is signaling that the regime understands its play has failed and that it expects a fight.

In this new projection of resignation to war, there is one last Iraqi stratagem. Hussein has seen the decline of anti-war sentiment around him. Within the region, he has observed Syria's moves and Iran's flirtation with Britain. He certainly heard the offer by a Saudi assistant defense minister to help police a post-war Iraq. But, as a gambler, he needs a gut-check, to see if he can get some weak hands to fold.

Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, France, Russia -- all are weak hands. They are not deeply committed to anything, save that they don't want massive and uncontrollable consequences to engulf them. Their current perception is that the low-risk path is with the United States -- a quick defeat of Hussein's regime, followed by the spoils, with few risks for anyone. They are willing to play that game if that is the only game to play -- but not if the risks increase.

Hussein's obvious option is to raise the stakes. To be more precise, he must convince all of these countries that there will be consequences if they side with Washington. An extended war between Iraq and the United States won't bother them one bit. Most of these countries would love to see the United States bogged down in Iraq; that isn't the key. The key has to be that, in the event of a war, Hussein will do something that will harm their fundamental interests.

Destroying his own oil fields will upset some, not others. Riyadh would be delighted. For Hussein, the most logical move would be threatening some broader action, something that would hurt all players -- not actually following through, but making a credible threat. He has few options: One is to threaten a global terror campaign, which in and of itself would not be particularly effective. Baghdad would have to implement it in such a way that it would deter action rather than trigger it. Threatening Saudi Arabia's oil fields would be another path. If Hussein could invade Saudi Arabia -- or attack it with some weapon of mass destruction that would take it off the market -- that would hurt a lot of people. Again, it is a question of the threat, not the action.

It is not clear that Hussein actually can pursue any of these options, or that he is in a position to credibly bluff them. However, the logic of his situation is to try, one last time, to scare the weak fence-sitters into blocking the United States. He needs to make some move to redefine the current situation. With war looming in about a month, Hussein has a few weeks in which to act. Unless he wants a Hitler-like Gotterdammerung -- which is not his style -- he must make some move, such as a negotiated resignation, that will assure his survival.

Something has to happen, and the ball is in Baghdad's court.
163 posted on 12/27/2002 9:21:28 PM PST by Dubya
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To: blackie
The Happy Bumper! Thanks, blackie, for bumping through.
164 posted on 12/27/2002 9:21:53 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska
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Iraq transfers long-range rockets to Syrian border -- SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM

TEL AVIV — Iraq has transferred several shipments of long-range rockets to the Syrian border over the past month.

Israeli intelligence sources said the rockets are intended for Hizbullah in Lebanon as part of preparations for a massive strike against Israel.

The sources said the regime of President Saddam Hussein relayed rockets with a range of 150 kilometers to Syria, which controls the flow of weapons to the Iranian-backed Hizbullah.

The rockets, the production of which are not banned by the United Nations, represents the longest-range weapons meant for Hizbullah, Middle East Newsline reported. Until now, Iran and Syria have transferred to Hizbullah rockets with a range of between 70 and 100 kilometers.

The sources said Iraq has been holding contacts with Hizbullah in an effort to persuade the Lebanese-based organization to launch a massive attack on the eve of any U.S.-led war against Baghdad. They said Hizbullah has refrained from any commitments.

The Iraqi rockets were sent to the Syrian border over the last month, the sources said. They said they did not know whether the rockets have been received and absorbed by Hizbullah or kept by Iranian or Syrian officials responsible for the organization.

The Israeli Haaretz daily reported that Syria has been helping Iraq in trying to find weapons to defend against any U.S.-led attack. The newspaper said Damascus has imported a range of weapons components and attempted to find medium-range Scud missiles for the Saddam regime.
165 posted on 12/27/2002 9:22:23 PM PST by Dubya
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To: Dubya
Hussein's obvious option is to raise the stakes.

Where can I read other stuff like this? Did you write this?

166 posted on 12/27/2002 9:26:33 PM PST by Radix
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To: Radix

167 posted on 12/27/2002 9:31:16 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska
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To: ValerieUSA
Thanks Valerie. It was a heck of a way to spend a holiday off work, but seems to have run its course. And thanks for all the wonderful pictures you have posted.
168 posted on 12/27/2002 9:39:09 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska
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To: Kathy in Alaska; bentfeather
Hope you both are feeling better.
I'm off to dreamland in about 15 minutes.
God Bless and Protect our military and our allies military.
God Bless All who enter the USO Canteen.
169 posted on 12/27/2002 9:47:19 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Kathy in Alaska; bentfeather
Hope you both are feeling better.
I'm off to dreamland in about 15 minutes.
God Bless and Protect our military and our allies military.
God Bless All who enter the USO Canteen.
170 posted on 12/27/2002 9:47:20 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Radix
Can I use it sometime?

It's very special, and takes special sensibilities.

You have to deserve the privilege.

From your profile:

I have no agenda other than what might be construed from this profile!

You win!

But you'll have to sign many waivers before using it.

Guys in Legal, you know.

171 posted on 12/27/2002 10:10:07 PM PST by Shermy
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Good night and sleep well. Monday awaits. Drive safely. The news shows terrible storms on the west coast.
172 posted on 12/27/2002 10:10:30 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska
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To: LindaSOG
"Consider this... If I am "me"... then "we" are really "mes" right?"

These are really funny. No wonder english is so hard to learn.

"Silly language indeed."

173 posted on 12/27/2002 10:14:31 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska
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To: Radix
"Funny pluralities."

English is strange indeed. Thanks, Radix.

174 posted on 12/27/2002 10:26:50 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska
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To: Kathy in Alaska
I am asleep now, but my body does not know it yet.


Here is the proof.


Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z !


I wish you all well!

Darker days may be coming, but we will always have this place.

I know what it means!

Thank You all for your service.

Thank you very much.

-Radix
175 posted on 12/27/2002 10:36:52 PM PST by Radix
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Kathy in Alaska; tomkow6; bentfeather; Radix; Valin; bluesagewoman; ...
GOOD EVENING Y'ALL! I hope everyone has had a wonderful day!

Howdy troops, veterans, and allies around the globe! THANK YOU for serving our country! Your efforts and sacrifices to protect our country are deeply appreciated. I feel deeply in your debt.

I know, I know, I'm really late tonight. I bought a floor-to-ceiling "jungle gym" for the kitties today and hurt my back in the process. What could I do? The darned thing was waaaay up on the top shelf and there was no one to help me get it down. Doooooopey me had to get it down all by myself because I wanted it now for the "kids". LOL!!! These danged critters better love it.....once I'm in shape to put it together, that is. I can barely do this at the moment. LOL!

I brought along some midnight snacks for y'all to nibble on tonight.


176 posted on 12/27/2002 10:37:49 PM PST by radu
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To: Dubya
"Chocolate, the 5th food group"

I like this food group, Dubya.

177 posted on 12/27/2002 10:38:12 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska
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To: Radix
"Darker days may be coming, but we will always have this place."

I think you are right, Radix, but we will NEVER FORGET the sacrifices of the past, and will continue to honor our military of today. Thank you for your service of the past, and thank you to your son for his service now.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Me too.

178 posted on 12/27/2002 10:43:37 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska
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To: FallGuy; Snow Bunny; LindaSOG
Oh wow! I didn't know it was Fall Guy's birthday today.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, FALL GUY!!


179 posted on 12/27/2002 10:50:34 PM PST by radu
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To: bentfeather

180 posted on 12/27/2002 10:58:52 PM PST by radu
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