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Roots of Mesoamerican Writing
Science Magazine, Academic Press Daily "Inscight" ^ | Posted 5 December 2002, 5 pm PST | ERIK STOKSTAD

Posted on 12/07/2002 4:54:13 AM PST by jimtorr

Roots of Mesoamerican Writing

For 7 centuries, the Maya recorded their history in elaborate stone carvings. Archaeologists have deciphered these hieroglyphs, but haven't been certain about their origins. Now a team describes what is potentially the oldest evidence of writing in the Americas. For many archaeologists, the two artifacts suggest that Maya script originated in an earlier culture known as the Olmec.

Several clues have long suggested that the Olmec civilization, which flourished from 1200 B.C. to 400 B.C., was the first to develop cultural traditions, including writing, later adopted by the Maya, who reigned from about A.D. 300 to 900. Large-scale Olmec architecture and monumental sculpture suggest that these people were the first in Mesoamerica to concentrate broad political power in the hands of a few, conditions associated with later writing across Mesoamerica. Languages from other Mesoamerican regions have apparently borrowed words related to writing from the precursor to the language now spoken in the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, the Olmec heartland. But hard evidence of Olmec scribes is scant.

Mary Pohl of Florida State University, Tallahassee, and her co-authors found intriguing signs of writing at a site near a major Olmec city in what is now southern Mexico. Layers of refuse contained a fist-sized cylinder seal used for printing and engraved chips of greenstone not much smaller than a thumbnail. Radiocarbon dating of nearby refuse allowed the researchers to come up with an approximate date, 650 B.C., for the engraved objects, the team reports in the 6 December issue of Science.

The artifacts have features that the researchers interpret as symbols indicating words. For example, one of the greenstone fragments bears two inscribed oval glyphs that might be a columnar text. Inscribed on the cylinder is a glyph that resembles a Maya symbol called "3 Ajaw," a date in the Mesoamerican calendar. In Maya writing, ajaw also means "king". Because royalty were traditionally named according to their birthday, Pohl reads the Olmec cylinder seal as the name "King 3 Ajaw."

Some experts question the fragmentsâ age and whether they meet strict definitions of writing. "A few isolated emblems ... fall well below the standard for first writing," says epigrapher Steven Houston of Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. But others are convinced: "This is the oldest writing," says archaeologist Richard Diehl of the University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa. "It's the mother and father of all later Mesoamerican writing systems."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; epigraphyandlanguage; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; king3ajaw; marypohl; maya; mexico; olmec; olmecs; shang
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It appears that the Olmec civilization is much older than I thought.
1 posted on 12/07/2002 4:54:13 AM PST by jimtorr
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I wonder if this was found in or near La Venta.
2 posted on 12/07/2002 5:06:15 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: jimtorr; blam
There was an Olmec exhibition at the National Gallery here in D.C. a few years ago. I understand that some experts were struck by the similarities between Olmec writing and the earliest surviving version of Chinese characters, those on the oracle bones of the Shang dynasty.
3 posted on 12/07/2002 5:29:23 AM PST by aristeides
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similarities between Olmec writing and the earliest surviving version of Chinese characters

On another thread Blam posted pictures of Olmec statues with facial hair and Oriental features. Myself, being an ignorant peasant and having no authority or expertise of which to speak still has the opinion, for what it's worth that Chinese or Japanese contact was the brains behind pre-columbian indigenous American achievements.

4 posted on 12/07/2002 6:22:10 AM PST by u-89
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To: jimtorr
What's particularly interesting is the similarity between the writing of the Olmec and the Gao'uld.
5 posted on 12/07/2002 6:40:28 AM PST by pabianice
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To: u-89; cardinal4
For an interesting, very imaginative take on this fascinating subject, try reading "Serpent," by Clive Cussler.
6 posted on 12/07/2002 6:49:14 AM PST by Ax
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To: jimtorr
Bump
7 posted on 12/07/2002 6:53:08 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: u-89
the opinion.........that Chinese or Japanese contact was the brains behind pre-columbian indigenous American achievements.

In my opinion, early people got around better and farther than they are generally given credit for. One for instance was the find some years back of Roman ships off the mouth of the Amazon River.

Another is the fact that fishermen from Northern Europe were fishing the Great Banks off Newfoundland for at least centuries before Columbus, and perhaps much longer.

One of the Gaullish tribes that Julius Caeser conquered were using ships (witch had sail power alone) that were much larger than anything the Romans had ever seen. Historians have said that the descriptions of these Gaulish ships sound much like the carracks built in Europe 1,000 year later.

My questions are, where did the Gauls sail with these large ships, how long had they been doing it, and when, where and from whom did they learn to build and sail that type of ship?

8 posted on 12/07/2002 6:56:15 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Ax
For an interesting, very imaginative take on this fascinating subject, try reading "Serpent," by Clive Cussler.

Yes, I have the book, very interesting. I'll say this for Cussler, that while he takes great liberties with historical possibilities, he hardly distorts known history at all.

9 posted on 12/07/2002 6:58:40 AM PST by jimtorr
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No doubt there was contact from Europe and the mid-east to the Americas I am just not certain why the views are not more main stream. There are anecdotes like cocoa and nicotine found in Egyptian mummies which would date the contact long before the Vikings. Somehow I missed the Roman ships in the Amazon, thanks for mentioning it. Will have to search out more about that one.
10 posted on 12/07/2002 7:20:27 AM PST by u-89
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The Egyptian mummies contained cocaine and marijuana. Which just goes to show, there is nothing new under the sun.
11 posted on 12/07/2002 7:37:23 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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there is nothing new under the sun.

And the man who coined that phrase did so almost 3000 years ago.

12 posted on 12/07/2002 7:42:04 AM PST by u-89
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"The Egyptian mummies contained cocaine and marijuana."

Cocaine and nicotine, haven't heard about marijuana.

13 posted on 12/07/2002 7:45:47 AM PST by blam
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To: u-89; jimtorr; Eternal_Bear
"On another thread Blam posted pictures of Olmec statues with facial hair and Oriental features."

Here it is with pictures and links.

History Of Words ReWritten (Olmec)

14 posted on 12/07/2002 7:51:10 AM PST by blam
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To: aristeides
The Olmecs And The Shang
15 posted on 12/07/2002 8:08:39 AM PST by blam
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To: aristeides
This is the link that I like

Link Between Chinese And American Cultures?

16 posted on 12/07/2002 8:12:16 AM PST by blam
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To: jimtorr
Black Chinese
17 posted on 12/07/2002 8:15:49 AM PST by blam
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To: jimtorr
While traveling throughout the Yucatan peninsula, and visiting every site except the state of Chiapas, I couldn't help but wonder at each site, the buildings etc., being the work of great stone masonry. (And, you don't go from living in modern settings, sanitation, running water, condo type living, to mud huts and shacks.) I was reminded of the Roman Empire, and of the Greeks. I wish I could post some photos of examples, and especially the great observatory! (I just haven't figured out how yet)
Best wishes...
18 posted on 12/07/2002 9:11:04 AM PST by Terridan
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To: u-89
I missed the Roman ships in the Amazon,

Maybe the New World was their Chestnut Tree Cafe'?

19 posted on 12/07/2002 12:07:06 PM PST by watcher1
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To: jimtorr
See Artifacts Comparisons between ancient Mesoamerica and China

Some interesting photos

20 posted on 12/07/2002 12:43:38 PM PST by dark_lord
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