Archaeologists Announce Discovery Of Underwater Man-Made Wall (Very Old)

China Post ^ | 11-26-2002

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Archaeologists announce discovery of underwater man-made wall

2002/11/26
The China Post staff

Underwater archaeologists yesterday announced the discovery of a man-made wall submerged under the waters of the Pescadores Islands that could be at least six and seven thousand years old.

Steve Shieh, the head of the planning committee for the Taiwan Underwater Archaeology Institute, said the wall was discovered to the northwest of Tong-chi Island in the Pescadores towards the end of September.

The stone wall, with an average height of one meter and a width of 50 centimeters, covers a distance of over 100 meters, Hsieh said.

The wall ran along the ocean floor at depths of between 25 and 30 meters, he added.

Shieh said that divers found several places along the wall where holes were apparently filled up with pebbles, possibly in an attempt to block winds.(Maybe to keep out the rising water?)

The wall was located by a team of divers working in cooperation with the National Museum of History and the Department of Environmental Sciences at the National Sun Yat-sen University.

In August, researchers scanning waters in the area with sonar discovered what appeared to be the remnants of four to five man-made walls running along the bottom of the sea.

Please see WALL on page(I could not find a map, if you can, please post it.)

Despite difficult diving conditions, Shieh said that a team of more than ten specialists was able to ascertain the positions of at least three of the wall sections.

The proximity of the wall to a similar structure found in 1976 suggests that it may be further evidence of a pre-historical civilization.

A three meter high underwater wall was discovered by amateur divers in waters off the nearby Hu-ching (Tiger Well) Island.

British archaeologists examined the find and proclaimed that the wall was probably made between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago.

The current find stands a mere 100 meters from the site of that discovery.

Six years ago, evidence of a sunken city in the area was found when amateur divers found the remains of what appear to be city walls taking the shape of a cross on the ocean floor.

Further examination suggested the ruins were made between seven and ten thousand years ago as well, although Japanese researchers put the walls construction at between 10,000 and 80,000 years ago.

Taken together, the discoveries have helped to overturn the established notion that Taiwan's earliest aboriginal inhabitants made their way here from mainland China some 6,000 years ago.(There goes the giant hynea theory, huh?)

The underwater finds are part of a growing body of evidence suggesting the existence of civilizations older than anything previously imagined.(suprise, suprise, suprise--Gomer Pyle voice)

On this theory, entire cities ended up underwater after sea levels rose towards the end of the last Ice Age, a date cited by Plato as being some 9,600 years ago.

One of the most dramatic examples of evidence of civilizations found on ocean beds has been megalithic structures off the coast of Yonaguni-jima in Japan that have been interpreted in some circles as being built for sacrificial rites. According to Shieh, a similar structure has been located off of the shores of Taiwan's Pingtung County .

Shieh said that he and his association have plans to explore that location as well as what appears to be a man-made path on the ocean floor off of Taitung County sometime next year.

[#3Fan]

Can you turn the Ukraine from fertile to desert with questions like this?

They didn't go out and farm under Communism?

[LostTribe]

What is a Barbarian?

The word Barbarian comes from the Greek barbaros, which simply meant "foreign". If a Greek could not understand a vistors language he was labeled a Barbarian. The word Barbarian was also reserved for foreigners who had customs dissimilar to the Greeks or Romans, especially those whose manners who were not refined in the same way, or who lived under a political system not as complex or "sophisticated". Anyone viewed as an outsider by the Greeks or Romans was automatically a "Barbarian". It is mistake to view a barbarian as one who was especially savage in his methods of warfare. Savagery was the order of the day, and the Greeks and Romans were as savage and barbaric as any who invaded them. The way the Christians were used as entertainment in the Roman Coliseum was as savage as anything before or since. But since the Romans wrote the history we read, it is their Celtic invaders who are labeled the "barbarians".

[VadeRetro]

Yes. Farming continued under communism. The earth stayed fertile.

I'm just telling all these contradictory things to confuse you because I'm evil.

[VadeRetro]

barbaros

Actually, babaroi, "people whose speech sounds like 'Ba! Ba! Ba!'"

[#3Fan]

Tell me if I've got it straight: 1. Germany is North of the Black Sea.

Pliny said the Assyrians were north of the Black Sea.

2. Europe is East of the Euphrates.

The steppes were east of the Euphrates where the Scyhians came through.

3. Latvian is Celtic.

Latvian is the best preserver of earlier relic words.

4. Communism has no impact on farming

Communism has no impact on the fertility of the land. Plant a seed and it will grow. The land doesn't care who the government is.

You're playing dumb to disrupt.

[VadeRetro]

You're playing dumb to disrupt.

Another irony meter blows up! Out for the night.

[#3Fan]

Yes. Farming continued under communism. The earth stayed fertile.

So why'd they import wheat?

[Sabertooth]

I'm not getting how Communism removes a people's ability to farm. Even if there are no tractors, you go out and sew seed and reap. It takes a lot more labor but labor was something they had. If this land was so great, why wasn't it growing much food?

Here's the quick sketch:

Under Communism, the farmers don't own their land or their crops.

What is their incentive to produce?

[LostTribe]

What about Identity People ?

Many British Israelites and other "identity people" make the mistake of thinking there are no Jews, only Khazarites. They discover the Israelites from the Northern Kingdom in Britain and American and think those are only true remaining Israelites. Many Jews think there are no Lost Tribes of Israel. They think the huge Northern Kingdom was somehow "assimilated" into other regional peoples. They don't recognize that only a few Israelites were ever called Jews, and the rest are the parents of the vast majority of Israelites existing today as nearly a BILLION white Europeans and Americans. Both sides are wrong. The truth lies somewhere inbetween.

[#3Fan]

Here's the quick sketch: Under Communism, the farmers don't own their land or their crops. What is their incentive to produce?

So nothing was planted for 70 years?

[Sabertooth]

So nothing was planted for 70 years?

Not nearly enough, that's why there were famines and food shortages. Declining agricultural production is virtually universal in Communist countries.

This is common knowledge. You should know it. Don't believe me, start a vanity thread and ask around.

[#3Fan]

Not nearly enough, that's why there were famines and food shortages. Declining agricultural production is virtually universal in Communist countries. This is common knowledge. You should know it. Don't believe me, start a vanity thread and ask around.

So what you're saying is instead of planting a seed every three inches, they planted a seed every 12 inches because they were slackers?

[Sabertooth]

So what you're saying is instead of planting a seed every three inches, they planted a seed every 12 inches because they were slackers?

Like anyone else, when farmers aren't adequately compensated for the fruits of their labor, they cease producing or cut way back. Why work hard for no compensation? Would you?

How many people have starved in North Korea in the past ten years? A lot more than in South Korea.

Here, look at these...

The irony of this is that communism in practice, even after decades of total control, did not improve the lot of the average person, but usually made their living conditions worse than before the revolution. It is not by chance that the greatest famines have occurred within the Soviet Union (about 5,000,000 dead during 1921-23 and 7,000,000 from 1932-3) and communist China (about 27,000,000 dead from 1959-61). In total almost 55,000,000 people died in various communist famines and associated diseases, a little over 10,000,000 of them from democidal famine.
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Lenin is supposed to have referred to blind defenders and apologists for the Soviet Union in the Western democracies as "useful idiots." Yet even Lenin might have been surprised at how far these useful idiots would carry their partisanship in later years -- including our own times. Stalin's man-made famine in the Soviet Union during the 1930s killed more millions of people than Hitler killed in the Holocaust -- and Mao's man-made famine in China killed more millions than died in the USSR.
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In contrast, China had suffered a major famine in 1959-61 killing approximately 30 million people. In communist USSR, there were famines, killing millions of people in the areas where the lands are very fertile, the facts of which we may never know! These famines in China and the USSR were due to wrong policies and the communist autocracy. India’s achievement of controlling famines in itself is a great accomplishment.
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Google Search: Communist famines

[#3Fan]

Like anyone else, when farmers aren't adequately compensated for the fruits of their labor, they cease producing or cut way back. Why work hard for no compensation? Would you? How many people have starved in North Korea in the past ten years? A lot more than in South Korea. Here, look at these...

Does North Korea have a lot of farmland?

[#3Fan]

That's your idea of a joke, right? The Ukraine was always considered the best farmland in the world and, in fact, Hitler's basic intent after unifying Europe was to have the Ukraine supply food to the rest of it. That (hauling food) was one of the reasons for the proposed supergrade train system.

Then why do we export wheat to the Siviet Union?

[#3Fan]

Do you think there was any migration from the East to the West regardless of who the people where?

[#3Fan]

What would make a land a better land?

[#3Fan]

Communism, pure and simple. If you really just want to starve to death, killing everybody in the whole country who knows anything about farming is as good a way to start as any.

So after they killed the farmers, no one knew how to farm for 70 years?