Archaeologists Announce Discovery Of Underwater Man-Made Wall (Very Old)

China Post ^ | 11-26-2002

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Archaeologists announce discovery of underwater man-made wall

2002/11/26
The China Post staff

Underwater archaeologists yesterday announced the discovery of a man-made wall submerged under the waters of the Pescadores Islands that could be at least six and seven thousand years old.

Steve Shieh, the head of the planning committee for the Taiwan Underwater Archaeology Institute, said the wall was discovered to the northwest of Tong-chi Island in the Pescadores towards the end of September.

The stone wall, with an average height of one meter and a width of 50 centimeters, covers a distance of over 100 meters, Hsieh said.

The wall ran along the ocean floor at depths of between 25 and 30 meters, he added.

Shieh said that divers found several places along the wall where holes were apparently filled up with pebbles, possibly in an attempt to block winds.(Maybe to keep out the rising water?)

The wall was located by a team of divers working in cooperation with the National Museum of History and the Department of Environmental Sciences at the National Sun Yat-sen University.

In August, researchers scanning waters in the area with sonar discovered what appeared to be the remnants of four to five man-made walls running along the bottom of the sea.

Please see WALL on page(I could not find a map, if you can, please post it.)

Despite difficult diving conditions, Shieh said that a team of more than ten specialists was able to ascertain the positions of at least three of the wall sections.

The proximity of the wall to a similar structure found in 1976 suggests that it may be further evidence of a pre-historical civilization.

A three meter high underwater wall was discovered by amateur divers in waters off the nearby Hu-ching (Tiger Well) Island.

British archaeologists examined the find and proclaimed that the wall was probably made between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago.

The current find stands a mere 100 meters from the site of that discovery.

Six years ago, evidence of a sunken city in the area was found when amateur divers found the remains of what appear to be city walls taking the shape of a cross on the ocean floor.

Further examination suggested the ruins were made between seven and ten thousand years ago as well, although Japanese researchers put the walls construction at between 10,000 and 80,000 years ago.

Taken together, the discoveries have helped to overturn the established notion that Taiwan's earliest aboriginal inhabitants made their way here from mainland China some 6,000 years ago.(There goes the giant hynea theory, huh?)

The underwater finds are part of a growing body of evidence suggesting the existence of civilizations older than anything previously imagined.(suprise, suprise, suprise--Gomer Pyle voice)

On this theory, entire cities ended up underwater after sea levels rose towards the end of the last Ice Age, a date cited by Plato as being some 9,600 years ago.

One of the most dramatic examples of evidence of civilizations found on ocean beds has been megalithic structures off the coast of Yonaguni-jima in Japan that have been interpreted in some circles as being built for sacrificial rites. According to Shieh, a similar structure has been located off of the shores of Taiwan's Pingtung County .

Shieh said that he and his association have plans to explore that location as well as what appears to be a man-made path on the ocean floor off of Taitung County sometime next year.

[VadeRetro]

Then why did the Soviet Union import wheat from us?

Communism, Lysenkoism, 300-400 million mouths to feed ...

Doesn't help you with 2000 BC to 1900 AD, your critical period. (What a thesis!)

[VadeRetro]

What does it say? Good land? Bad land?

It's not my job to educate you past the first grade. It says what happened when Stalin collectivized in the early 30s.

[#3Fan]

I've already pointed out that your fire and your water examples were contrived beyond belief. If I go back and look at "wind," what will I see? All you've done to criticisms of that article is chant the same few sentences over and over.

Yeah, you say it's a coincidence like I predicted you would.

Like that. Mantras are all-purpose for any reply.

If true.

So computers are satanic?

Computers don't kill people, people kill people. Computers only spit out what the programmer tells it to spit out.

[VadeRetro]

What does it say? Good land? Bad land?

OK, the summary for your educational level: "Good land. Bad Stalin! Bad! Bad!"

[LostTribe]

The Sticks and Dry Bones Promise

Ezekial 47:11 Then He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel... Ezekial 47:15-22 The word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, 'Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.' Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, 'Ephraim's stick, belonging to Joseph and all the house of Israel associated with him.' Join them together into one stick so that they will become one in your hand. 18 "When your countrymen ask you, 'Won't you tell us what you mean by this?' say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph-which is in Ephraim's hand-and of the Israelite tribes associated with him, and join it to Judah's stick, making them a single stick of wood, and they will become one in my hand.' 20 Hold before their eyes the sticks you have written on and say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. This means ALL Israelites, both the ~1 BILLION Northern Kingdom Celts/ Europeans/ Americans and the ~11 million Southern Kingdom Jews will join together as one. That is what is happening today, by marriage. Jews and Celts are marrying, and in a few generations there will be only one "Israelite Kingdom" left, comprised again, as in Davids time, of all 12 Tribes.

[#3Fan]

Communism, Lysenkoism, 300-400 million mouths to feed ...

Then why'd they export it if they had to import it?

Doesn't help you with 2000 BC to 1900 AD, your critical period. (What a thesis!)

What about it?

[VadeRetro]

Whichever one lost the treasure of Jerusalem at the Rennes le Chateau.

Oh, lovely! Holy Blood, Holy Grail! Can we get the UFOs in here?

[VadeRetro]

Then why'd they export it if they had to import it?

Time. Czarist time: food exporter. Communist time: food importer. But communism is much fairer for everybody who doesn't get taken out and shot or sent to Siberia.

[#3Fan]

It's not my job to educate you past the first grade. It says what happened when Stalin collectivized in the early 30s.

So the people forgot how to farm and couldn't learn in 70 years?

That's all I've done is educate you since we started. Pliny, Scythians, Cimmerians, Hebrew-IndoEuropean, The Assyrians, the captivities, geography. Is there anything you do know that I don't have to completely explain before we proceed?

[Sabertooth]

Perfectly good land, and they never farmed it for 70 years? You guys need to make up your mind. Vade says they had plenty of wheat, you say they couldn't farm the land. Which is it?

In order to feed an industiralized nation, farmers need to produce at somethimg more than subsistence level. Some economic models are better at providing incentive for farmers to be productive than are others. Capitalism is one. Communism isn't.

It's sort of breathtaking that you appear not to know this, but this may explain why you also don't know that we aren't contradicting each other. In fact, we both used forms of the word "collective" in our responses to your query regarding Soviet farming at #770. This is because we both learned this word and the realities of farming in Communist countries, oh, back in high school or so.

[#3Fan]

OK, the summary for your educational level: "Good land. Bad Stalin! Bad! Bad!"

So why'd they export wheat?

[VadeRetro]

Computers only spit out what the programmer tells it to spit out.

I used to program. If I'd known I could get away with what you suggest, my job would have been a breeze.

[#3Fan]

Oh, lovely! Holy Blood, Holy Grail! Can we get the UFOs in here?

LOL Now we can go for another 800 posts.

[VadeRetro]

We're definitely getting what I call "the old stupidity bludgeon" here.

[#3Fan]

Time. Czarist time: food exporter. Communist time: food importer. But communism is much fairer for everybody who doesn't get taken out and shot or sent to Siberia.

So people can't farm under communism?

[VadeRetro]

So people can't farm under communism?

Can you turn the Ukraine from fertile to desert with questions like this?

[LostTribe]

What did the Celts look like?

This is an artists rendition of The Amesbury Archer, at a Celtic find in England. He clearly looks Hebrew to the artist. >What makes him look Hebrew? Process of elimination. Does he look Oriental? No. Does he look Negroid? No. Does he look (North or South) American Indian? No. Does he look European Celtic? Yes, even though there were no people designated as Celts at this time. Who were the Celts? They were Hebrews/Semites/Israelites. (See the 3-MINUTE HISTORY at my FR Profile page for the details.) Abraham (2,000 BC) was a Hebrew. (The word "Hebrew" simply means "stranger" or "wanderer"). Abraham came from a family of "Hebrews" in Ur, in what today is southern Iraq. There were lots of Hebrews wandering around loose in that part of the world. So what did Abraham, a Hebrew, look like? No one really knows, but you can work backwards to arrive at a reasoned estimate by looking at Abrahams offspring. This is far from perfect, but is better than nothing: To begin, Abrahams offspring are white, or "Causasian". A quick look at some of Abrahams offspring gives the idea. These offspring are all contemporary Jews: Joseph Lieberman, Paul Newman, Ted Koppel, Harrison Ford, Efrem Zimbalist, Jr., Kirk Douglas, Kevin Costner, Stephen Breyer, Yitzhak Rabin, Michael Landon, Lorne Greene, Mike Wallace, Benjamin Netanyahu, William Shatner, Douglas Fairbanks, Cary Grant, Leonard Bernstein, Paul Simon, Ariel Sharon, David Frost, Morley Safer, Ari Fleischer, Jack Benny, Alan King, Casper Weinberger, Carl Reiner, George Burns, Red Buttons, Sam Levinson, Bernard Goldberg, Robert Downey Jr., Dustin Hoffman, Michael Douglas, Peter Sellers, Tony Curtis, Edward G. Robinson, Wolf Blitzer, Mel Torme, Paul Wellstone, Peter Falk, Leonard Nimoy, Jerry Springer, Arlen Spector, William Cohen, Barry Goldwater, Robert Rubin, William Roth, Howard Metzenbaum, Hyman Rickover, Robert Reich, Russ Feinberg, Stanley Mosk, Arthur Burns, Milton Friedman, Bill Kristol, Victor Borge, William Kristol, Warren Rudman, etc., etc, etc. These Jews, who everyone agrees are Hebrews/Semites/Israelites just happen to look like and could easily be confused with their Northern Kingdom Israelite cousins, European and American whites who are of Celtic origin. The Celts and the Jews are genetic cousins via Jacob/Israel. All are offspring from Abraham/Isaac/Jacob/Israel, and all are Hebrews, Semites, and Israelites. This artist has drawn The Amesbury Archer to look like a modern white Celtic man, much like any other white European/American man today, so the artist apparently views the Amesbury Archer as a Hebrew.

[Sabertooth]

That's all I've done is educate you since we started. Pliny, Scythians, Cimmerians, Hebrew-IndoEuropean, The Assyrians, the captivities, geography. Is there anything you do know that I don't have to completely explain before we proceed?

Tell me if I've got it straight:

1. Germany is North of the Black Sea.
2. Europe is East of the Euphrates.
3. Latvian is Celtic.
4. Communism has no impact on farming.

[#3Fan]

In order to feed an industiralized nation, farmers need to produce at somethimg more than subsistence level. Some economic models are better at providing incentive for farmers to be productive than are others. Capitalism is one. Communism isn't.

What more do you need for farming other than labor and good land. Methinks the land quality has been exaggerated.

It's sort of breathtaking that you appear not to know this, but this may explain why you also don't know that we aren't contradicting each other. In fact, we both used forms of the word "collective" in our responses to your query regarding Soviet farming at #770. This is because we both learned this word and the realities of farming in Communist countries, oh, back in high school or so.

I'm not getting how Communism removes a people's ability to farm. Even if there are no tractors, you go out and sew seed and reap. It takes a lot more labor but labor was something they had. If this land was so great, why wasn't it growing much food?

[#3Fan]

I used to program. If I'd known I could get away with what you suggest, my job would have been a breeze.

What did you want it to say?