Posted on 11/26/2002 7:57:18 AM PST by blam
Archaeologists announce discovery of underwater man-made wall
2002/11/26
The China Post staff
Underwater archaeologists yesterday announced the discovery of a man-made wall submerged under the waters of the Pescadores Islands that could be at least six and seven thousand years old.
Steve Shieh, the head of the planning committee for the Taiwan Underwater Archaeology Institute, said the wall was discovered to the northwest of Tong-chi Island in the Pescadores towards the end of September.
The stone wall, with an average height of one meter and a width of 50 centimeters, covers a distance of over 100 meters, Hsieh said.
The wall ran along the ocean floor at depths of between 25 and 30 meters, he added.
Shieh said that divers found several places along the wall where holes were apparently filled up with pebbles, possibly in an attempt to block winds.(Maybe to keep out the rising water?)
The wall was located by a team of divers working in cooperation with the National Museum of History and the Department of Environmental Sciences at the National Sun Yat-sen University.
In August, researchers scanning waters in the area with sonar discovered what appeared to be the remnants of four to five man-made walls running along the bottom of the sea.
Please see WALL on page(I could not find a map, if you can, please post it.)
Despite difficult diving conditions, Shieh said that a team of more than ten specialists was able to ascertain the positions of at least three of the wall sections.
The proximity of the wall to a similar structure found in 1976 suggests that it may be further evidence of a pre-historical civilization.
A three meter high underwater wall was discovered by amateur divers in waters off the nearby Hu-ching (Tiger Well) Island.
British archaeologists examined the find and proclaimed that the wall was probably made between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago.
The current find stands a mere 100 meters from the site of that discovery.
Six years ago, evidence of a sunken city in the area was found when amateur divers found the remains of what appear to be city walls taking the shape of a cross on the ocean floor.
Further examination suggested the ruins were made between seven and ten thousand years ago as well, although Japanese researchers put the walls construction at between 10,000 and 80,000 years ago.
Taken together, the discoveries have helped to overturn the established notion that Taiwan's earliest aboriginal inhabitants made their way here from mainland China some 6,000 years ago.(There goes the giant hynea theory, huh?)
The underwater finds are part of a growing body of evidence suggesting the existence of civilizations older than anything previously imagined.(suprise, suprise, suprise--Gomer Pyle voice)
On this theory, entire cities ended up underwater after sea levels rose towards the end of the last Ice Age, a date cited by Plato as being some 9,600 years ago.
One of the most dramatic examples of evidence of civilizations found on ocean beds has been megalithic structures off the coast of Yonaguni-jima in Japan that have been interpreted in some circles as being built for sacrificial rites. According to Shieh, a similar structure has been located off of the shores of Taiwan's Pingtung County .
Shieh said that he and his association have plans to explore that location as well as what appears to be a man-made path on the ocean floor off of Taitung County sometime next year.
Huh?
I've also shown you that against your cult literature modern scholarship has run the known languages of the world through computers and confirmed that Celtic and Hebrew aren't all that related. (It was actually pretty obvious well before then, even.)
Posts #536 and #538 are clear. The words for the four main "elements" of nature match.
See posts #536 and #538.
Hosea 1:10, 11:
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
Where do you find anything justifying the word "interpretation" in the preceeding?
How dumb are you willing to be? Pick any post where I mention that:
Are insults necessary? It's been my experience that posters resort to insults when they are feeling pressured into a corner, or they are just nasty individuals?
Well, then pick a good example and post it. Be sure to post my reply, too.
Oh, and since you are interested in the language implication, a snippet or two from the book I recommended.
Have you picked a population yet? I mean, if you don't like the celts so rabidly, then who would be your choice? You keep avoiding the issue.
"You can take any sentence in Hebrew and change it into Gaelic, word for word, without altering the order of a single word or particle, and you will have the correct Gaelic idiom in every case. You cannot do that with any other language in Europe." Dr. Duncan M'Dougall (wrinting in the Evangelical Christian).
Doesn't the above count for even a tee-ninesy bit of evidence that there is a relation. Or do you think it is just a strange coincidence. . .
You know, I get the feeling that your only objection is that the celts (eventually the European types) are posited as the descendents of the LT. That's fine with me. Then whom would you choose from the peoples of the earth?
Hosea 1:10, 11:
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
. . .can be said to be crystal clear without any want or need for interpretation.
Pick a population and give evidence for it. Unless you're an athiest or nonchristian, in which case, then what's the point of debating about something you couldn't possibly care about because you don't believe in the context?
So what you're saying is that it's all a coincidence that fire, water, air, and earth match. LOL
Go back to the beginning of this argument over languages and look at the reason I said these arguments are senseless.
But the fact is that Pliny does say there was a people descended from a semitic speaking culture residing North of the Black Sea and these people had close relationships with the Israelites. They're Germans. They ended up settling in southern Germany. The Israelites settled in northern Germany and then went on west later. Americans with German names mostly are descended from Germans who lived in northern Germany. There used to be a website with good evidence to support this but it's gone now so this is something I can't document and is merely a discussion point, anyone reading this can take it or leave it.
Some German tribes, according to their own traditions, for a time lived to the East in steppe country, yes. Volkerwanderung, or something similar. While out there, they had wars with Sarmatians, Cimmerians, and other steppe types. That's about as close as any of them ever got to being Assyrian and it's not good enough.
If they were warring with the Cimmerians and were from the deeper steppes, they sound like Israelite tribes, maybe a subgroup of Scythians. I'd never heard of Assyrians venturing too far onto the steppes.
So you want exact English spellings in ancient times, huh? LOL
You don't see what you don't want to see. All you see is coincidence.
The highlight is what Pliny said. The rest is your fervid and fetid imagination.
Then why waste so much of your time? You just hate the celts and the Europeans and Americans they begat? You appear to have no motivation at all except feelings. I answered each and every one of your objections. I gave you prima facie evidence of language and culture, with explanations.
Back and forth we go for on a thread of over 600 posts and you have the unmitigated gaul to tell me you waste my time and effort over something "not a big issue"?
This is my last post to you. You can kiss my ass.
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