Archaeologists Announce Discovery Of Underwater Man-Made Wall (Very Old)

China Post ^ | 11-26-2002

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Archaeologists announce discovery of underwater man-made wall

2002/11/26
The China Post staff

Underwater archaeologists yesterday announced the discovery of a man-made wall submerged under the waters of the Pescadores Islands that could be at least six and seven thousand years old.

Steve Shieh, the head of the planning committee for the Taiwan Underwater Archaeology Institute, said the wall was discovered to the northwest of Tong-chi Island in the Pescadores towards the end of September.

The stone wall, with an average height of one meter and a width of 50 centimeters, covers a distance of over 100 meters, Hsieh said.

The wall ran along the ocean floor at depths of between 25 and 30 meters, he added.

Shieh said that divers found several places along the wall where holes were apparently filled up with pebbles, possibly in an attempt to block winds.(Maybe to keep out the rising water?)

The wall was located by a team of divers working in cooperation with the National Museum of History and the Department of Environmental Sciences at the National Sun Yat-sen University.

In August, researchers scanning waters in the area with sonar discovered what appeared to be the remnants of four to five man-made walls running along the bottom of the sea.

Please see WALL on page(I could not find a map, if you can, please post it.)

Despite difficult diving conditions, Shieh said that a team of more than ten specialists was able to ascertain the positions of at least three of the wall sections.

The proximity of the wall to a similar structure found in 1976 suggests that it may be further evidence of a pre-historical civilization.

A three meter high underwater wall was discovered by amateur divers in waters off the nearby Hu-ching (Tiger Well) Island.

British archaeologists examined the find and proclaimed that the wall was probably made between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago.

The current find stands a mere 100 meters from the site of that discovery.

Six years ago, evidence of a sunken city in the area was found when amateur divers found the remains of what appear to be city walls taking the shape of a cross on the ocean floor.

Further examination suggested the ruins were made between seven and ten thousand years ago as well, although Japanese researchers put the walls construction at between 10,000 and 80,000 years ago.

Taken together, the discoveries have helped to overturn the established notion that Taiwan's earliest aboriginal inhabitants made their way here from mainland China some 6,000 years ago.(There goes the giant hynea theory, huh?)

The underwater finds are part of a growing body of evidence suggesting the existence of civilizations older than anything previously imagined.(suprise, suprise, suprise--Gomer Pyle voice)

On this theory, entire cities ended up underwater after sea levels rose towards the end of the last Ice Age, a date cited by Plato as being some 9,600 years ago.

One of the most dramatic examples of evidence of civilizations found on ocean beds has been megalithic structures off the coast of Yonaguni-jima in Japan that have been interpreted in some circles as being built for sacrificial rites. According to Shieh, a similar structure has been located off of the shores of Taiwan's Pingtung County .

Shieh said that he and his association have plans to explore that location as well as what appears to be a man-made path on the ocean floor off of Taitung County sometime next year.

[#3Fan]

I also show it. Note that the post to which you are responding refutes your derivation as 1) spurious and 2) the work of a crank.

Huh?

I've also shown you that against your cult literature modern scholarship has run the known languages of the world through computers and confirmed that Celtic and Hebrew aren't all that related. (It was actually pretty obvious well before then, even.)

Posts #536 and #538 are clear. The words for the four main "elements" of nature match.

[#3Fan]

Like I've noted previously, you have a few words which have been borrowed back and forth between semitic and indoeuropean languages in historical or late prehistorical times, but that's about it. If you look at basic words, numbers, family members, water, fire, and every sort of normal thing, there is generally no relationship between any indoeuropean language (including all celtic languages) and any semitic language.

See posts #536 and #538.

[Delphinium]

They are the truly dangerous people of the world.

I guess there are alot of us on Freerepublic.

[William Terrell]

We? How do "we" know this? When did your rather unique interpretation of the Bible become hard evidence for history?

Hosea 1:10, 11:

10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

Where do you find anything justifying the word "interpretation" in the preceeding?

How dumb are you willing to be? Pick any post where I mention that:

Are insults necessary? It's been my experience that posters resort to insults when they are feeling pressured into a corner, or they are just nasty individuals?

Well, then pick a good example and post it. Be sure to post my reply, too.

Oh, and since you are interested in the language implication, a snippet or two from the book I recommended.

Have you picked a population yet? I mean, if you don't like the celts so rabidly, then who would be your choice? You keep avoiding the issue.

[William Terrell]

I figured it would not be sufficient for you. Why don't you check out the book and read the chapter wherefrom I typed the snippet? There is more, I just didn't want to type them all.

"You can take any sentence in Hebrew and change it into Gaelic, word for word, without altering the order of a single word or particle, and you will have the correct Gaelic idiom in every case. You cannot do that with any other language in Europe." Dr. Duncan M'Dougall (wrinting in the Evangelical Christian).

Doesn't the above count for even a tee-ninesy bit of evidence that there is a relation. Or do you think it is just a strange coincidence. . .

You know, I get the feeling that your only objection is that the celts (eventually the European types) are posited as the descendents of the LT. That's fine with me. Then whom would you choose from the peoples of the earth?

Hosea 1:10, 11:

10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

. . .can be said to be crystal clear without any want or need for interpretation.

Pick a population and give evidence for it. Unless you're an athiest or nonchristian, in which case, then what's the point of debating about something you couldn't possibly care about because you don't believe in the context?

[VadeRetro]

I don't believe by now that you don't understand that Pliny is not supporting you on those Assyrians being the Germans, who are already in Germany and have been there for some time having wars with the Celts and Romans and among themselves. Some German tribes, according to their own traditions, for a time lived to the East in steppe country, yes. Volkerwanderung, or something similar. While out there, they had wars with Sarmatians, Cimmerians, and other steppe types. That's about as close as any of them ever got to being Assyrian and it's not good enough.

[VadeRetro]

I'm not starting the thread over for you just because you can't remember a thing. I have no candidate for the Lost Tribes. It's not a big issue with me. They got assimilated somewhere, probably Assyria. They did not simply re-emerge with a new face. They didn't become anybody that wasn't already there.

[PatrickHenry]

More proof -- Danny Boy.

[#3Fan]

There are basically only so many sounds the human voice system can produce and for that reason given the number of words needed for a spoken language, a couple of hundred words will appear similar between any two languages by dumb luck. Linguists do not view that as signifying any real relationship. Several of your claims (e.g. " if we take Latin "aqua" we find Latin AQUA "water" and Latvian AKA, ACINA dim. "well" Hebrew AJIN "spring, source") fall into this general sort of category. Other than that, your post on 536 appears to consist mainly of wishful thinking and flawed logic: "Erde" is clearly a word borrowed from semitic languages by germanic speakers. It does not appear to be any sort of a general indoeuropean word, e.g. you don't see it or anything like it in romance or slavic languages. The claim of similar fire words (esh/as etc.) is not close to being credible. The two basic indoeuropean fire words are 'agni' (ignite, ignition, igneous etc.) and 'flame', both of which we still use and which you find in almost pure form in Russian. There is nothing similar to my knowledge in Hebrew. The claim involving Latvian pronounds is specious. I've no real idea what the hell latvian is or its history, but pronouns are similar to identical in all normal indoeuropean languages and they resemble semitic pronouns not at all. Generally all of the cases you cite are cases in which there appears to be no common indoeuropean word, i.e. in which the odds dramatically favor finding some vague similarity between a word in one ie language and one semitic language. I seriously doubt you'd ever find a case in which the several families of indoeuropean languages agree on a word, i.e. in which you have some certifiable indoeuropean root in operation, and in which there was any similarity with an equivalent semitic word. You might want to take a look at celtic number systems, or at the words for basic things like family members, real words for fire, water, family members, verbs like go, work, fall, give etc.

So what you're saying is that it's all a coincidence that fire, water, air, and earth match. LOL

Go back to the beginning of this argument over languages and look at the reason I said these arguments are senseless.

[#3Fan]

I don't believe by now that you don't understand that Pliny is not supporting you on those Assyrians being the Germans, who are already in Germany and have been there for some time having wars with the Celts and Romans and among themselves.

But the fact is that Pliny does say there was a people descended from a semitic speaking culture residing North of the Black Sea and these people had close relationships with the Israelites. They're Germans. They ended up settling in southern Germany. The Israelites settled in northern Germany and then went on west later. Americans with German names mostly are descended from Germans who lived in northern Germany. There used to be a website with good evidence to support this but it's gone now so this is something I can't document and is merely a discussion point, anyone reading this can take it or leave it.

Some German tribes, according to their own traditions, for a time lived to the East in steppe country, yes. Volkerwanderung, or something similar. While out there, they had wars with Sarmatians, Cimmerians, and other steppe types. That's about as close as any of them ever got to being Assyrian and it's not good enough.

If they were warring with the Cimmerians and were from the deeper steppes, they sound like Israelite tribes, maybe a subgroup of Scythians. I'd never heard of Assyrians venturing too far onto the steppes.

[#3Fan]

No. I'm saying they don't really match and that the "evidence" I've seen so far amounts to nothing more than wishful thinking and handwaving,

So you want exact English spellings in ancient times, huh? LOL

[#3Fan]

I'd settle for seeing two or three basic root words of a language family which were essentially the same for the indoeuropean and semitic families. So far I haven't seen that.

You don't see what you don't want to see. All you see is coincidence.

[VadeRetro]

There there's "dun," the color, "dun," the hill or hill-fort, and "dune" as in drifted sandhill from Norse, Celtic, and Dutch.

[VadeRetro]

But the fact is that Pliny does say there was a people descended from a semitic speaking culture residing North of the Black Sea ...

The highlight is what Pliny said. The rest is your fervid and fetid imagination.

[William Terrell]

It's not a big issue with me.

Then why waste so much of your time? You just hate the celts and the Europeans and Americans they begat? You appear to have no motivation at all except feelings. I answered each and every one of your objections. I gave you prima facie evidence of language and culture, with explanations.

Back and forth we go for on a thread of over 600 posts and you have the unmitigated gaul to tell me you waste my time and effort over something "not a big issue"?

This is my last post to you. You can kiss my ass.

[PatrickHenry]

"Dun" is hill in Celtic, huh? Well, that's all the proof I need for ol' Dan and his tribesmen. How about this:
the Hebrew word har (plural harîm, plural possessive harê) translated as "mountains" in Genesis 7:20 and 8:4 can also mean "hills".