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Quick and Dirty Leftist's Guide to Arguing against the War on Terrorism
Right Wing News ^ | September 28, 2002 | John Hawkins

Posted on 09/28/2002 12:52:43 PM PDT by zapiks44

The Quick And Dirty Leftist's Guide To Arguing Against The War On Terrorism

By John Hawkins

Some disreputable people have suggested that Right Wing News is for the 'war on terrorism' or that we're 'biased against liberals.' What scandalous accusations! The truth is that we here at Right Wing News view ourselves as a 'fair and balanced' publication -- just like 'Arab News' or 'The Guardian'! But talk is cheap! That's why we decided to write 'The Quick And Dirty Leftists Guide To Arguing Against The War On Terrorism' to prove RWN's good intentions. Here are the key arguments lefties across the planet can use against those warmongering, oil guzzling, baby-killers on the right who are gungho about the 'war on terrorism'!

Bush Should Have Stopped It -- But Not That Way!: Instead of focusing on what we should do now, claim that Bush could have stopped 9/11 before it happened by aggressively going after the terrorists pre-911. Then reflexively oppose every suggestion the Bush administration comes up with to prevent another attack because it will create a "police state." This one drives right-wingers crazy!!

How Can We Invade Saddam When He Used To Be Our Friend? : We must force these right-wing zealots to realize that relationships between nations are NEVER are allowed to change. Since we were friends with Saddam in the eighties, it was hypocritical of us to kick him out of Kuwait and keep him from annexing Saudi Arabia. Even if he hates us now, is acquiring nukes, and has ties to terrorists we still can't attack him -- for some reason or another. I think there is a UN rule against attacking former friends for any reason or something.

If We Preemptively Attack Iraq -- Everyone Will Do It!: The United States could be setting a dangerous precedent here since no other nation has ever attacked another nation "preemptively." Wait a second, if that was true, shouldn't we always be at peace since no nation has ever attacked another nation except in self-defense? So that's Bush's evil plan, to spoil world peace!

Insist That We Give Inspections A Chance : No one believes Saddam is going to actually allow unfettered inspections but we know from a decade of experience that he can literally run the inspectors around in circles for years. The more time Saddam wastes, the closer he gets to a nuclear bomb he can use to stop Bush's filthy war!

It's About The Ordinary People : The most important reason you are against the war is because you care about the innocent people in Iraq. That's why you're so strongly against replacing the dictator who has starved, gassed, tortured, and oppressed so many of his own people -- you may not want to phrase it exactly like that, but you get the idea.

Keep Moving That Goalpost : If the pro-war crowd starts beating you up too much because you won't support war under any circumstances, say that you are willing to use force.. A) As soon as Al-Queda is destroyed, B) the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is over C) Afghanistan is a strong and stable Democracy D) Against Iran E) Against Pakistan F) Against Iran G) If inspections fail (again) H) Once the whole world agrees with us...etc. It really doesn't matter what you come up with here because the purpose is to delay things endlessly. Even if your condition were met, you would simply change the conditions you'd need to meet your goal.

Never Admit That You Are Helping Terrorists And Dictators : Act offended if anyone claims you are helping dictators and terrorists by opposing killing, capturing, or hindering them in any significant way. Sure that may be the actual RESULT of doing what you're suggesting, but INTENTIONS, not results, are what have to be considered.

Pretend To Be Offended When You're Accused Of Anti-Semitism : Just because you call Palestinian terrorists "freedom fighters", condemn every Israeli attempt to defend itself from terrorist attacks, believe Jews control the US media and government, and think a land dispute is an adequate reason for blowing up women and children at a bus stop (as long as they're Jews), does not make you anti-semitic. No matter how obvious your anti-semitism is, it doesn't count unless you ADMIT that you're anti-semitic.

Remember Who The Real Enemies Are : Obviously, George Bush and America are to blame for the 'war on terrorism.' You should certainly never blame nations like Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, or the 'Disputed Territories', etc, for actually sponsoring terrorist groups that have no real purpose other than to murder innocent people.

Show Me Osama's Corpse : Even though we haven't heard from Osama Bin Laden since the United States bombed the area he was in into blood, sand, and rubble, you must insist that the 'war on terrorism' is a failure since we don't have him in hand. Sure we haven't heard a thing from him in nine and half months but he's probably just laying low! The best thing about this one is that since Osama was probably blown into a fine red mist at Tora Bora, the Bush administration will never be able to 'prove' that he's dead. This means you can't ever be proven 'wrong' when you claim that he's still alive.

Solutions? Uh.... : When pressed for solutions it's a good idea to mumble incoherently, or just say, "I don't know what we should do, but I know war isn't the answer!!!" If you're really pressed you can suggest that America should give more aid to the poor, that one never gets old.

Tell Those 'Chickenhawks' What For : Demand that anyone who is pro-war sign up for the military because only people who are willing to risk their lives in combat have a right to advocate going to war. If they counter with "well if you believe that, then you should go to Iraq and throw yourself on one of Saddam's bunkers so you can be a 'human shield'" either quickly change the subject or say that you detest Saddam (despite the fact that you are firmly against any attempt at removing him from power).

There's No Reason To Bomb Saddam! : Just because Hussein is a psychopathic dictator who gassed the Iranians and his own people, fought against the United States, tried to assassinate a US President, has massive stockpiles of WMD, is seeking nukes, and has ties to terrorists doesn't mean he's dangerous. In fact, we have no evidence that the global terrorist network is still a threat at all...except for 9/11 and all the other attacks across the world since then.

War For Oil! : This war isn't really about terrorism or weapons of mass destruction, it's about oil like every big war America fought in during the last century! Well...except for WW1, WW2, Vietnam, and Korea... but the Gulf War was all about oil! Of course, Iraq only supplies 2.1% of America's oil and Afghanistan doesn't supply any...but "everyone" says it's about oil so it must be somehow or another!

We'll Destabilize the Middle-East : It's common knowledge that the 'Arab Street' will immediately overthrow their leaders if Muslims are harmed anywhere across the world, no matter what the reason may be. Of course, we've gotten off lucky so far since the 'Arab Street' didn't erupt when Israel bombed an Iraqi nuke site, when Israel invaded Lebanon, when Israel 'invaded' the "disputed territories" about 500 times, when Reagan bombed Libya, when the US invaded Iraq, when the Serbs were slaughtering Bosnian Muslims, when the US invaded Afghanistan, when the US bombed through Ramadan, etc, etc. But this time the 'Arab Street' is REALLY SERIOUS!!!

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Congratulations! You've now learned everything you'll need to know to smash those favoring AmeriKKKan imperialism and hegemony!


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To: m1911; Long Cut
There are more of them here than I would have imagined. They've been coming out of their nests lately. Seems like there's a new one every day...and they all sound like Al Gore, or worse (referring specifically to the one who hurls epithets at our active duty military in nearly every post).
41 posted on 09/28/2002 10:00:41 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: m1911; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Snow Bunny; COB1; CWOJackson; A Navy Vet; justshe; AntiJen; ...
And how about the old saw about "thousands of Americans coming home in body bags"? Besides being an obvious Viet Nam throwback, it is patently ridiculous. These "thousands of Americans coming home in body bags" would, presumably, be placed there by soldiers who A) were placed in their own body bags, by Americans, to the tune of 100,000 or so in 1991, and; B) Surrendered in droves to those UN-bagged Americans.

Have they gotten THAT much better in the intervening years? Since the ONLY time an Arab or Islamist seems to muster courage is when he is conducting a terrorist attack against unarmed civilians (as opposed to ARMED Soldiers), I submit that the answer is no, and the pronunciations of mass doom are moronic. The saddest thing may be that those making those pronouncements have so little faith in their country's military, even though it has won every battle it has fought for MANY decades.


42 posted on 09/28/2002 10:02:05 PM PDT by Long Cut
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; AntiJen; justshe; Amelia; CWOJackson; Texasforever; COB1; ...
Bumping this one again 'cause I like it so much. Can anyone think of anything to add? I've kicked in a couple extras already, how 'bout y'all?


43 posted on 09/29/2002 11:51:12 AM PDT by Long Cut
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To: rdb3; sinkspur; SJackson; SpookBrat; HiJinx; SAMWolf; jwalsh07
PING to y'all, got any new ones to add? This is fun, thinking up new ones...


44 posted on 09/29/2002 11:54:43 AM PDT by Long Cut
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To: ladyinred
Hell I thought they were the talking points for Meathead prior to his speech he wrote for Gore...
45 posted on 09/29/2002 12:01:59 PM PDT by antivenom
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To: Long Cut
We can't let Bush win the War on Terrorism! We can't just because he's Bush!

This applies equally to some on the Left and Right.

46 posted on 09/29/2002 12:08:12 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: All
Bumping the far left/far right talking points.
47 posted on 09/29/2002 1:57:31 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: zapiks44
Bah, these are just the posting guidelines at Democrat Underground.
48 posted on 09/29/2002 4:36:12 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: zapiks44
Big Bump !!


49 posted on 09/29/2002 5:53:21 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: zapiks44
Very funny. BTTT!
50 posted on 09/30/2002 1:13:48 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Long Cut; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Thanks, LC!
Excellent read!

My favorite one is one I ran across today:

"If we back him in a corner, he is definitely going to attack!"

Remember reading in your history books about the number of countries that tried to pacify and appease Hitler before he invaded Poland?

I'll repeat something I said on that thread:

"We lost 148 military personnel in Desert Storm, a pre-emptive attack to stop Sadaam Hussein.
We lost 600,000 military personnel in WW II when we didn't make a pre-emptive attack on Germany to stop Hitler.
Which course seems the most logical?"

51 posted on 10/13/2002 4:01:02 PM PDT by COB1
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To: zapiks44
Bush Should Have Stopped It -- But Not That Way!: Yes, the argument Bubba had all the details/plans that George W. Bush needed to stop the 9/11 attacks (and dismantle Al-Quaeda). Of course Bubba never implemented these plans himself (long after the initial 1993 WTC attack) and the Rats protested when Bush started to name who he would appoint to his administration prior to the court decisions. The 2000 election mess drastically slowed down Bush's transition into power. He certainly would not have been able to launch an attack on the radical Islamists without a first strike during his administration. He would have been considered a war monger (much as he is now and we have faced considerable casualties).

How Can We Invade Saddam When He Used To Be Our Friend? : Much the same argument that the left must use to still love Joe Stalin. After all, we teamed up with him to defeat Hitler. The communists could never have really been that bad...

Never Admit That You Are Helping Terrorists And Dictators : Pssshawww! There are no terrorists. The AP refuses to call them this. Suicide/homicide bombers are considered "victims" who are fighting with the only weapons that they have available "their bodies". It all depends on what the meaning of terrorist is: one man's terrorist is another man's lone nut. Charles Bishop/Bishra was not a terrorist (even though he called himself such in his suicide note), the Egyptian gunman at the Israeli Air counter at LAX was not a terrorist...

Pretend To Be Offended When You're Accused Of Anti-Semitism : Don't forget the arab response that they can't be anti-Semetic because they are all "Semites". Perhaps we need to make it all perfectly clear and call them Jew Haters or Jew Bashers.

Tell Those 'Chickenhawks' What For : The left knows all about "chickenhawks" (wasn't this originally a term for gay men who preyed on young boys). Funny how the leftists never took issue with President Bubba Clinton, a man who admittedly loathed the military and ducked out of serving, and all of his military actions into the third world when we weren't attacked. Even pushed for regime changes.

There's No Reason To Bomb Saddam! : People have forgotten that Bubba sent some missles into Iraq because of the plot to kill former President Bush. Some people have tried to say that George W. Bush's Iraq War is to settle Saddam's contract hit on his "daddy". We've already struck out for that action and it was under a different presidency/ruling party.

War For Oil! : He mentions that we don't get oil from Afghanistan but I thought that the left says that it is all about running a pipeline through Afghanistan. But that all sounds to me like the plot of one of the recent James Bond movies (no joke).

52 posted on 10/13/2002 4:03:25 PM PDT by weegee
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To: COB1
I just read that thread. I see that a certain demidog is posting there. Be advised, he is one of the most irrational, far left libertines on FR. Note the arrogance with which he dismisses our efforts against Saddam Hussein. The sad thing is, he doesn't seem to understand how far LEFT-WING he really is.
53 posted on 10/13/2002 4:04:51 PM PDT by Long Cut
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To: COB1
It would seem to me that there have suddenly been an awful lot of 'infil-traitors' here on FR; arguing from this same set of talking points.

54 posted on 10/13/2002 4:11:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance; Long Cut
It would seem to me that there have suddenly been an awful lot of 'infil-traitors' here on FR; arguing from this same set of talking points.

Ya think? Watch the rear.

wink

55 posted on 10/13/2002 4:14:57 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: EternalVigilance
That's been going on for a while now. Read back through their posts, it's uncanny how accurate this is. Also, check out how closely their posts track with the Peace Pansie's talking points, and anything said by Leftists in the '60s.

Need I say more?


56 posted on 10/13/2002 4:15:24 PM PDT by Long Cut
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To: Long Cut
Need I say more?

Nope!

57 posted on 10/13/2002 4:17:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance; All
Oh, yeah, you might try THIS THREAD for a nice companion piece to this. I've got both of them bookmarked at my homepage, if you want.


58 posted on 10/13/2002 4:19:22 PM PDT by Long Cut
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To: Long Cut; Demidog
LOL!
I've crossed swords with Demidog before.
He's a wuss!

He's so far out in left field, he's playing in another stadium!

59 posted on 10/13/2002 4:37:00 PM PDT by COB1
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To: EternalVigilance
"arguing from this same set of talking points."

They all get plugged in, wound up and turned on in the morning, and spit the same garbage all day!

60 posted on 10/13/2002 4:39:37 PM PDT by COB1
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