THE 'GAY SPIN ZONE'

Day in and day out, America is getting bombarded with 'pro-gay' propaganda. It's relentless. You can't open a newspaper or magazine, listen to the radio, or turn on the television without someone, somewhere pounding the 'glories of gayness' into your brain.

Stories that would never have aired or have been published twenty years ago are now common place. 'Homosexual Male Couple Proud Parents of Quadruplets.' 'Rosie and Gal Pal Kelly Expecting.' 'Male Gay Couple Crowned King and Queen of High School Prom.' What once was considered a deviant perversion, is now politically correct -- and woe to those who oppose this new 'rainbow' morality. Those who disagree with this new 'alternative' lifestyle are called 'hate-filled, intolerant, bigoted homophobes.'

The calculated, planned 'homosexualization' of America by militant 'gays' and lesbians was encouraged well over a decade ago by homosexual advocates Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen in their book After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90's (1989, Doubleday/Bantam). Kirk and Madsen mapped out a plan to 'turn the tables' on America and switch the bigotry aimed at homosexuals -- to those who would oppose them. The book plays out almost like a prophetic book of the Bible.

The Harvard-trained social scientists in the late '80s issued a call for 'gay' activists to adopt "... carefully calculated public relations propaganda." Their plan came dressed up in marketing lingo: "Desensitize, Jam and Convert." A better word to describe their call to 'homosexualize' America: manipulation. Listen to what the book says -- you won't believe it.

'Desensitization,' write Kirk and Madsen, means subjecting the public to a "continuous flood of gay-related advertising, presented in the least offensive fashion possible. If 'straights' can't shut off the shower, they may at least eventually get used to being wet." Friend, they're not talking about advertising a product here, but advertising homosexuality.

"The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome," they say. "If you can get [straights] to think homosexuality is just another thing -- meriting no more than a shrug of the shoulders -- then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won."

'Jamming' is smearing anyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda. "Jam homo-hatred [i.e., opposition to homosexuality] by linking it to Nazi horror," urge Kirk and Madsen; associate all who oppose homosexuality with images like "Klansmen demanding that gays be slaughtered," "hysterical backwoods preachers," "menacing punks," and a "tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed."

Moreover, they add, "Gays can undermine the moral authority of homo-hating churches over less fervent adherents by portraying [them] as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step ... with the latest findings of psychology. Against the atavistic tug of 'Old Time Religion' one must set the mightier pull of science and public opinion .... Such an 'unholy' alliance has already worked well in America against the churches, on such topics as divorce and abortion .... [T]hat alliance can work for gays."

The authors urged homosexuals to cast themselves as 'victims.' By doing so, homosexuals are able to "invite straights to be their protectors."

'Conversion' means "... conversion of the average American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media." Obviously, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Kirk and Madsen's devious plan has succeeded.

CBS. NBC. ABC. CNN. Showtime. MTV. VH1. Even the children's network Nickelodeon. A new 'gay cable channel' is in the works. Over 28 'gay' or lesbian characters or shows are currently on during so called prime time 'family hour.' All are following Kirk and Madsen's grand scheme -- and America has bit the bait. We've been duped. Like lambs, we are all being led to the slaughter.

One night about two years ago I stumbled across this nation's fastest growing phenomenon -- Bill O'Reilly and The O'Reilly Factor. I was instantly hooked. 8 pm EST, my wife knew where to find me.

Who was this guy? Where did he come from? He told it like it was. He was bold, cocky -- but more importantly, he was right on the money. 9/11. The American Red Cross scandal. The celebrities. Music and today's youth. This guy confronted issues that many wouldn't touch. He was great. 'The No Spin Zone.' Bill O'Reilly was my new hero!

It wasn't long though before my conservative bubble burst and I sadly realized the homosexual movement even got to my 'champion.'

Week after week, month after month, it was obvious the man and network I trusted for 'fair and balanced news' was playing on 'both sides of the fence' on the issue of homosexuality. How could this be? While Bill would report on clearly ridiculous stories involving homosexuality, he would actually accept and promote the lifestyle in others. I began to question this 'former school teacher-turned-Superman' who truly seemed to have a sincere desire for looking out for the 'best interests of children.' But why not on this issue?

It sadly all made sense last week on The O'Reilly Factor as Bill made himself quite clear on his position.

While addressing two lesbians on camera, he told them, [paraphrased] "... Shut up. Over 90% of Americans agree with me and don't want to know about your [alternative] families."

Yet in the next sentence though he smiled, laughed, and said, "... Really ladies, we really appreciate you coming on the show. The reason we have lesbians on is because we want lesbians to watch The Factor."

Sad to say, one by one, even the most conservative crowd in the media are caving into the homosexual's sinister plan.

(As an aside, O'Reilly and Greta Van Susteren of Fox News are scheduled panelists at the upcoming National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association National 2002 Convention, September 12-15 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Among the NLGJA's objectives are to "... advocate for the highest journalistic and ethical standards in the coverage of lesbian, gay, bi-sexual and transgender issues [in the news], and ... strengthen the identity, respect and status of lesbian, gay, bi-sexual and transgender journalists in the newsroom).

Today, homosexuality is chic. It's in. It's big business -- and I guess so are the ratings from the homosexual audience. Yet while the media continues its bombarding of America with homosexuality, unfortunately, America's children are the ultimate casualties.

Innocent little boys and girls are having their childhood ripped from them as they are daily being indoctrinated into homosexuality via their public schools. The homosexual's main goal is to wipe out 'homophobia' in one generation -- by getting the children now.

Homosexual and homo-sympathetic teachers through 'gay' front organizations such as GLSEN (The Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network), PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays), and a host of others are unfortunately accomplishing this.

In public schools across the nation, kindergarten children are being read Daddy's Roommate and Heather Has Two Mommies -- two beguiling books promoting homosexuality and 'gay' parenting. Our little ones are being fed the lie that homosexuality is normal and OK from kindergarten on up.

Bi-sexuality is growing in popularity at a frightening rate throughout middle and high schools across America. Homosexual books such as The Rainbow Boys, featuring a story about two males (an adult and minor) having anal sex while the adult's lover is out of town, are being assigned for student reading -- on your taxpayer dollars and mine.

America's students are being encouraged to be promiscuous and try the joys of homosexual sex, even though the deadly AIDS epidemic continues to infect millions. Latest statistics by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report almost 70% of male infection of AIDS in America is due to homosexual sex.

As a man who once WAS a homosexual until I was 28 years old, with well over 100 men sexually (men whom are dead today from AIDS), I am sounding the alarm and screaming from the mountain tops, "America, wake up!" It's only by God's grace I am still alive and never contracted HIV. Yet how can people be so blind and gullible to the secular media's 'gay spin' and manipulation on this immoral and potentially deadly lifestyle?

Today, I speak nationally and share the truth about homosexuality -- how no one is born that way, how it has everything to do with the childhood and complete change is completely possible. As a father now myself of a little boy and girl, my true heart's desire and passion is for the protection of America's children and I'll do whatever it takes to protect them. My message is not politically correct and many do not like me for boldly proclaiming the truth. I've learned early on whenever you confront sin, don't expect to win a popularity contest.

Kirk and Madsen successfully laid out their game plan for using the media to be the homosexual's main propagandist conduit -- and I am using their own plan as well. However, in 'their' waters, I am definitely a fish 'swimming up stream.'

Earlier this year, my wife and I fell victim to the pro-gay secular media's hammer as we were censored and deliberately misrepresented on national television on CBS/KingWorld's The Ananda Lewis Show. They didn't like our message that homosexuality was not something one was born with and that all homosexuals could completely change. They didn't like the fact that I said I was 'gay' and I completely changed. What even bothered them more was on national television I had the 'audacity' to use those vile and 'forbidden' words Jesus, God, and the Bible. Thus, the pro-gay hammer fell and they deleted the most important part of my story -- how I went from 'gay to straight.' Millions waited to hear how one could change -- and CBS/KingWorld left America hanging. [See Related Story]

That's the secular pro-homosexual media today for you. It's all too common -- and expected. Besides, it does not further nor help their diabolical agenda.

ABC's Nightline and Ted Koppel refuse to have me on. MSNBC's godfather of talk television Phil Donahue says, 'Thanks anyways.' CNN's Larry King, 'No thanks.' Connie Chung says, 'We're not interested.' CNN's Crossfire: 'Don't call us, we'll call you.'

I know all too well what this movement to 'homosexualize' America is all about. I'm a defector -- a traitor -- a 'gay' turned straight. My story and message is one that homosexual activists and the pro-gay secular media want silenced -- and they will do everything necessary to do so. I am the 'fatal' poison to the militant move's deadly and deceitful propaganda of 'love, tolerance and acceptance.' How sad though to think that we now live in day when the tables have been turned, when good is called evil, and evil is called good. May God forgive this nation for our vile wickedness.

Make no mistake about it. America is being seduced and deceived by the homosexual agenda. Our children are being indoctrinated and many are being infected with HIV.

There is a calculated agenda out there. They are after you, but more importantly, they are after your children. Television, radio, newspapers, magazines, and the Internet -- the media is the means. Kirk and Madsen have succeeded.

Beware of the media -- the 'Gay Spin Zone.' You are not being told the 'straight' story.

That?s a little dramatic, to say the least.

I don't think so. I think when reasonable debate is cut off by hand waving that civilization can not stand. Of course, that much truly is just an opinion, but one that I think holds water.

Care to address my arguments? or will you just "wave them aside?"

Well, let's see what we have.

I find it odd how people like him insists on focussing upon inconsequential matters. Like the Kirk & Madsen book, for example... I don't know ANYBODY who has read it. I wonder if it's still available; and I wonder how pertinent it would be considering that it's 13 years out-of-date. I've never even SEEN a copy of that book. Yet Stevie's clear inference is that it's some kind of bible or play-book. Quite frankly, I think that's a ridiculous assertion.

OK, there's not really an argument there, just your attempt to distract us from Steve's point. You don't know anybody who has read it? Do you know everybody? Do you know people who are trying to make homosexuality acceptable? As for being 13 years out-of-date, that's specious. It's 13-years-old, but obviously very much in date. The Bible is 2000 years old but there are still a lot of people who do what it says. So, this isn't an argument. 1 down.

And then, of course, is the obligatory "NAMBLA-mention." Like I said in a recent Letter to the Editor: "Raising the specter of the North American Man-Boy Love Association is always a good reactionary trick when one wishes to appeal to ignorance. Not only has NAMBLA never represented the mores of the gay community, but they appear to have imploded more than two years ago and haven't been seen or heard from since."

The connection is that both homosexuality and pedophilia are perversions. If you can justify one perversion you are within a hairs breadth of justifying them all. In fact, homosexual behavior isn't the starting point of this particular slide down the slippery slope.

I'm sorry if you can't see the validity of the slippery slope, but it has certainly been proven. And given the fact that non-NAMBLA "psychologists" have started to float the "positive values" of adult-child sexuality, I'd say the argument is right on the money. Again, not an argument but a distraction. 2 down.

Obviously, NOBODY is "being encouraged to be promiscuous and try the joys of homosexual sex;" but that's not my point. Notice how Stevie goes from the GLOBAL AIDS epidemic ("millions") to "AIDS in America." If you weren't paying attention, you might think that there are "millions" of AIDS-infected homosexuals in America. In fact, about three-quarters of a million AIDS cases had been reported (and less than half a million deaths) in America. Oh... and Stevie's "almost 70%" figure is an obvious exaggeration... "just more than 50%" would be more accurate.

Whenever anyone starts an argument with "obviously" it is usually followed by something that is mere opinion. This is doubly true when the someone is a liberal. But others have addressed this point well so I will let their work stand. As to the shift, you have a minor point. However, the global AIDS epidemic could lead to millions of AIDS infected people in America if we are not careful. The best solution would be to stop politicizing the disease and do what we can to stop its spread. And I've already reacted to the "obvious" so I won't waste space again. Still no argument here. 3 down.

Well, it doesn't look like you actually presented any arguments after all.

For emphasis: What Steve said about nobody being born gay is the truth?

There's a little problem with that. You see, it's impossible to prove a universal negative, IE: "Nobody is born gay." If you THINK that you can prove that, I certainly would like to see you try. 'Til then, however, it is unrealistic to call an unverifiable theory "the truth." It remains - you guessed it - an opinion.

Don't confuse paradigms. Scientifically it is impossible to prove a negative, but not logically. If you have two mutually exclusive conditions you can prove the negative like this. For all (a) and (b) such that (a) = not (b) if you prove (a) you have proven not (b) "a negative". The two mutually exclusive positions are that homosexuality is a congenital trait and homosexuality is not a congenital trait. To prove the latter, we need to define a congenital trait as one that is passed from parent to child via the genetic mechanism. One simple experiment would be to examine all sets of maternal twins in which at least one is homosexual. Since maternal twins contain exactly the same genetic material if homosexuality were congenital then there would be no instances of maternal twins where only one is homosexual. Since (IIRC) in around 50% of cases where there is at least one homosexual twin there is only one homosexual twin, homosexuality is not congenital. Therefore, nobody is born gay.

QED

Shalom.

Amen to your saying that the church needs to rise up out of the pit and start preaching the Gospel.

I haven't posted this anywhere yet. This is as good a place as any.

Romans 1:24-32 (ESV)
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, [25] because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
[26] For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; [27] and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
[28] And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. [29] They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, [30] slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, [31] foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. [32] Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Does anyone else see this as an ordered list of behaviors on the slide into evil? We start with abuse of our bodies (drugs and promiscuity) then move into abuse of sex (homosexuality). Lesbianism is a little less bad than male homosexuality because people aren't sticking body parts into a diseased oriface. Homosexuality actually causes a physical penalty (AIDS) but when that doesn't cause people to wake up all moral bets are off. People are given over to greed, malice, envy, murder, strife, deceit, slander, and finally, haters of G-d and inventers of evil.

(In other words, giving in to homosexual sex has led to Enron.)

That sure looks like a roadmap of American culture to me since the 1950s.

I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Shalom.

You've done a great job of getting folks running off in different directions arguing about this and that statistic and trading quotes from other peoples books but do you disagree with Steve Baldwin's statements in the opening paragraph?

Do you believe this is true or false?

Do you believe this statement is true or false?

Do you consider people who oppose homosexuality on moral and/or religious grounds 'hate-filled, bigoted, intolerant homophobes'?

Simple questions that require only a yes or no response.

You dismiss Baldwin and his editorial as an advertisment for his ministry but even assuming he's wrong about the influence of the Kirk & Masden book, NAMBLA or Bill O'Reilly - is what he states regarding the rapid spread of homosexual propaganda in media and even in some school districts incorrect? Did he lie?

You state that Stephen Baldwin's comments are only an opinion, which is true. What is your opinion? You make a great effort to refute and dismiss Baldwin here and so one has to assume that you think he is wrong. Why? Never mind statistics or what someone said in a book, what do you think? Has there been no noticable increase in pro-homosexual stories in the media? If there is, why? Is it just coincidence? What is the consequence on society?

I happen to agree with Baldwin but would like to know what you believe and where you stand on the merits or negative consequences of homosexuality being awarded nothing but positive spin in the media and the advisability of homosexuality being endorsed as a co-equal alternative to hetrosexuality in some school 'diversity' and sex ed programs.

Just curious.

Well, it is available at Amazon.com. If you don't want to buy it, I am sure your local library has a copy. Why don't you read it and find out?

Uh, no. NAMBLA still very much exists, as evidenced by the return of their website (now carried by a German server) and a $100 million lawsuit filed by the parents of a Massachusetts boy who was abducted, murdered and raped (in that order) by a pair of NAMBLA members (Curley v. NAMBLA).

As for the assertion, "Not only has NAMBLA never represented the mores of the gay community," perhaps you can explain the quotes in favor of pedophilia from such homosexual leaders as Larry Kramer and Pat Califa that are found at their website, as well as their presence at the "Homosexual Rights Rally" in March, 1993 in Washington, DC.

In post #37, the poster closed with four hyperlinks. The texts at those four links (NOT counting the discussions) contain about SIX THOUSAND WORDS, and NONE of them were the poster’s own!

And? So what?

You said you do not believe homosexuality is being taught in public schools (e.g., by way of books). EdReform, et al, provided you with proof, and you will not read any of it because the words are not his?

THAT is a tactic known as “jamming” (although I personally call it “dumping”),

No, that is called "providing proof"; something commonly used in discussion and debate when someone wishes to back up an assertion he has made with facts. It is the same as those footnotes you might find at the end of a nonfiction book.

Therefore, it would be a waste of time to read all that, much less respond to it.

Actually, this shows you were being dishonest when you said you had an open mind.

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