Philippines - Two Jehovah's Witnesses hostages decapitated by Abu Sayyaf

AFP via Babelfish translation ^ | August 21, 2002

[HAL9000]

An hostage decapitated in the south of the Philippines

Wednesday August 21, 2002 - 23h40 GMT

ZAMBOANGA (the Philippines), August 22 (AFP) - One of the six Christian hostages Filipinos removed by supposed islamists of the group Abu Sayaf in the south of the Philippines Wednesday was decapitated by its kidnappers, one learned military Thursday of source.

The head of the hostage was found Wednesday evening near the headquarters of the army, in the capital of the island of Jolo, one specified of the same source.

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A second hostage decapitated in the south of the Philippines

Thursday August 22, 2002 - 0h20 GMT

ZAMBOANGA (the Philippines), August 22 (AFP) - a second hostage among the six Christians Filipinos removed by supposed islamists of the group Abu Sayaf in the south of the Philippines Wednesday was decapitated by his kidnappers, one learned military Thursday of source.

The second head was found, packed in a plastic bag, close to the market of the capital of the island of Jolo, while the first head had been discovered near the headquarters of the army, according to the General Romeo Tolentino.

"Those which do not believe in Allah will undergo the same fate", said a note found close to one of the two heads, specified the Tolentino General.

Six Witnesses of Jéhovah, agents sales in beauty products, had been kidnapped Tuesday in the town of Patikul on the island of Jolo, one of the strongholds of Abu Sayyaf.

The removal was carried out by the men of the gang directed by a local head, Moin Sahiron, nephew of Radulan Sahiron, a veteran of the separatist wars in the Moslem south of the archipelago.

The group Abu Sayyaf, whose last taking of hostages goes back to last October, is specialized in the taking of hostages in order to obtain ransoms.

Jolo is one of the strongholds of Abu Sayyaf which had taken to last year three Americans as hostages. One was released in June and two died. The island was not the target of the American intervention which was completed at the end of July and concentrated on Basilan.

Three Indonésiens kidnapped in June are also held by other Moslem separatists reconverted into the banditism on Jolo.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Islam is a Religion of Peace^TM

[altair]

What does the Abu Sayyaf have to do with Danny Pearl?

[TLBSHOW]

all in the name of islam

[SwordofTruth]

outlaw the cult islam in America! that is the only way

I don't think you can outlaw what someone believes in. If they break a law then we can arrest them, but we can't arrest them for believing in Islam.

[knighthawk]

More info on the Christians killed.

'New beheading videos in stock next week at your local mosque'-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

[knighthawk]

FYI

[Nix 2]

[exnavy]

We can send them all to meet Allah and the virgins.

[wita]

I think I get your drift now, and I'm not impressed. Islam in its origins in the old testament is as much a false religion as Christianity, was a true one that apostacized from it's roots. Lets call a cult a cult, you can't have 2000 plus Christian denominations, with differing doctrines, and call them all part of "the church", unless you are willing to let purity of doctrine, and the whole truth, be just words.

The same applies to islam and its doctrines, which I believe long pre-date the prophet mohammed, and IMHO can now be fully recognized as the Anti-Christ. Christians who love to wrap themselves in the 'cult' cult, I believe are in for a rude awakening.

Bottom line, islam is as much a religion as Christianity, it just suffers from far less truth regardless of denomination, cult, or off-shoot. If I missed your point, I apologize in advance.

[bandlength]

you ARE revolting!

[OldFriend]

Sorry, their own statement is that they intend to kill all who do not believe in Allah. That's their purpose in life and if not religious then I suppose you are a proponent of the bill clinton what is is dictionary.

[freeperfromnj]

their own statement is that they intend to kill all who do not believe in Allah

This is such a disturbing story. I heard that on Fox this morning. They reported that a note was attached to one of the decapitated heads that stated "this is what happens to those who do not believe in Allah". I don't know how much clearer they need to spell out that this is indeed a religous war.

[TLBSHOW]

islam is not like christians, stop spewing BS!

[philosofy123]

I am with you. We should also arm Serbia to combat the radical Islamists/drug dealers. That is where they get lots of money to finance that hate. Bomb Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Sudan! Force Mubarak out, and install pro-American regime, including media bosses.

[Jake0001]

This is quite a fun topic.

My take on the issue is that any group will have bad apples. Let's just say we could make a list of all the known Muslims (alive and dead) we consider(ed) threats to Americans, how long would it be?

Maybe 10,000 Palestinians. The hierarchies of Iraq, Syria and Iran (say a couple thousand at most). A couple tens of thousands scattered across Pakistan, Afghanistan, Jordon, Saudi Arabia and those nations that encircle it. And let's be generous and say al Qaeda and the like has 50,000 members throughout the world.

Add them all up and round it up to the nearest million and we get about a million. Of course 99% of them probably can't afford to actually travel here (our presence there is a very convenient commodity) leaving 10,000 who can afford it. Of course more than half of that is already on a watch list that the customs and INS is supposed to look at - but apparently don't because they are stupid.

So assuming rounding up by about a factor of between five or ten we might have 5,000 that can ACTUALLY enter the US. We probably would catch half of them, because they would try to import weaponry (unless airport security cavity searches the 80 year old great-grandmother sitting next to them instead)

So that leaves 2,500 who may or may not have brought in their own weapons. They can rule out going to Home Depot and attempting to re-do September 11 with boxcutters because the passengers will revolt automatically. Get a gun? Perhaps if they don't mind traveling all the way over here and dying while killing a mere score at most. Attack a US military base? Well they ARE suicidal but that stupid? Maybe THEY started all those forest fires!

But back to the point, a million out of a billion doesn't constitute a bad group of people. Heck we've got more than one million Americans incarcerated for various offences out of 300 million and we hardly see crime ending.

I would contend that they use Islam as an excuse for what they do instead of a reason. What more convenient way of separating their followers from us? I recall a very rabid response from Christians when the (secular) judge ruled against "under God". Christian radicals hate secularists just as much as Muslim radicals. Muslim radicals merely take it just a couple of steps further.

[TheGunny]

The victims here are not Christians! Lets not put them in the same catagory as the persecuted church. While this event is tragic and painful to read about, theye are cult members and care nothing for the shed blood of Christ our saviour. They are working almost (minus the kidnapping and violence)as fervently to whipe the name of Jesus from the face of the earth. Sad but true.

[jeremiah]

I wonder if FDR was telling the media and the citizenry in 1936, that the Nazis were a party of peace?????????The Germans had such a long history of being misunderstood???Or that only a few "militant" Nazis, were the exception, rather than the rule?

[jeremiah]

Turkey is a country split by religion, and ruled by the elected, it is not technically an Islamic country. Individuals in Turkey follow the religion of Muhammed, not the govt. The priests or whatever they are called, do not run the govt of Turkey, if they did, Turkey would not be our ally.

[Inkie]

WWJD? I do not believe I would hear those same words from Jesus. He would grieve for them.

[Jake0001]

That is partially true. They do have among the strongest-handed hierarchies on the planet. They make our own military seem unregimented in comparison. I was at one time studying with them until I rejected their theology.

If anyone from within stands up against the "elders" or "overseers" they will be banished from the congregation and all members will be ordered to not even acknowledge that person or suffer the same fate. The ones in the Bronx, who are the "remnant" (of those who can go to heaven), call all the shots, dictate the meaning of the Bible and write the literature. Discussion of theology is discouraged. Naturally the "remnant" members maintain anonymity and go about their lives without scrutiny.

True, the JW's won't kill you if you fight them, but they can and will sue you. There are not just a few books they prevented from publishing. And don't underestimate their persecution complex, they will use this incident to prove to their followers that they are being purposely targeted. Never mind these Phillipino maniacs will kidnap and decapitate anyone they can get.