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Burn the Rich
reason ^ | 21 jun 02 | Ronald Bailey

Posted on 06/21/2002 9:04:10 AM PDT by white trash redneck

An old Russian joke tells the story of a peasant with one cow who hates his neighbor because he has two. A sorcerer offers to grant the envious farmer a single wish. "Kill one of my neighbor's cows!" he demands.

Research by two British economists, Daniel Zizzo of Oxford University and Andrew Oswald of Warwick University, suggests there is a good bit of truth behind that joke. In a recent study, Zizzo and Oswald ask, "Are People Willing to Pay to Reduce Others’ Incomes?" "The short answer to this question is: yes," they report. "Our subjects gave up large amounts of their cash to hurt others in the laboratory."

Zizzo and Oswald set up an experiment in which groups of four subjects were initially given nearly equal amounts of money. They then played a computerized gambling game. During the game two of the players received an extra endowment of cash, a fact to which all of the players were alerted.

At the conclusion of the gambling sessions, each player was given the chance to spend his own money to anonymously "burn" some of the cash won by his fellow participants. It was made clear that there was no prospect that burning his fellow player’s winnings would in any way make him richer. In fact, if he chose to burn another player’s money, he had to pay between 2 cents and 25 cents for each dollar subtracted from the other player’s take.

Zizzo and Oswald found that nearly two-thirds of players happily paid for the privilege of impoverishing their fellow participants. Even as the price of burning went up, the percentage of people who chose to burn other players did not fall substantially.

Why would people pay to hurt others without any benefit to themselves? Is it not the height of irrationality for a person to harm himself just so he can harm another more? Zizzo and Oswald believe the desire to burn other people’s cash "appears to be strong evidence for the existence of some kind of envy or concern for fairness."

The poorest players chose to burn more of the winnings of the wealthiest, but big winners also burned other players, in their case indiscriminately. The researchers speculate that winners may have chosen to burn others as a way of maintaining their rank: They wanted to be first more than they wanted to maximize their cash holdings.

Apparently, it matters a great deal whether people believe that others deserve their good fortune. If they don’t believe they do, then less well-off people will further impoverish themselves to bring the rich bastards down a peg or two. Perhaps the opposition in the Senate to eliminating the death tax on estates over $625,000 can be traced to the sense that trust fund heirs are undeserving.

Oswald and Zizzo’s findings may be related to those of a study in which two Swiss economists, Ernst Fehr from the University of Zurich and Simon Gachter from the University of St. Gallen, determined that people will incur substantial costs to punish cheaters. Such subjects engage in what the researchers call "altruistic punishment."

Fehr and Gachter set up a public goods game with a common pot in which all the players could invest. After all the players were given an opportunity to invest in the pot, the amount in the pot was increased and then split between all players at the end of each round. The game was set up so that defectors could increase their total winnings by not investing at all, then taking a quarter of whatever was in the pot once the round was over.

In the games in which players had no opportunity to punish defectors, cooperation soon broke down completely and no one invested. But once the ability to punish--say, by fining cheaters--was added, cooperation became widespread. Even if punishers lost more than the cheaters they punished, they still deterred cheating.

It turns out that cooperation depends not just on reciprocity--"I’ll scratch your back and you scratch mine"--but also on retribution--"If I scratch your back and you don’t reciprocate, I will punish you, no matter the cost to me." The fear of vengeance keeps would-be cheaters in line.

Perhaps players who received extra cash in the game devised by Oswald and Zizzo, analogous to the inheritors of great fortunes, are seen as somehow "cheating." This perception may incite the leveling instincts that apparently lurk within the human heart.

Socialists often claim that capitalism is based on humanity’s worst impulses, greed and selfishness, despite the fact that people who live in societies that participate in markets tend to be more generous and cooperative than those who don’t. Oswald and Zizzo’s research suggests that socialists who believe that their ideology appeals to humanity’s better instincts have it backwards. Envy is behind the leveling spirit of socialism. A truly generous and rational soul would wish others well, especially if they have done no one any harm.

Only an open society in which people clearly see that they have an opportunity to rise seems capable of containing and channeling humanity’s envy instinct. The task for champions of freedom is to encourage people to want more cows for everybody.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: capitalism; envy; greed; socialism
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Though I've always been skeptical of social psychology "experiments," this work on envy provides an interesting window into the mind (??) of the the Left.
1 posted on 06/21/2002 9:04:11 AM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: white trash redneck
This explains sooooo much.
2 posted on 06/21/2002 9:09:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: white trash redneck
This illustrates the underlying principle of Democrat taxation philosophy.
3 posted on 06/21/2002 9:19:27 AM PDT by MistrX
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To: white trash redneck
it not the height of irrationality for a person to harm himself just so he can harm another more?

Are you kidding? This appears to be Islam's version of the Golden Rule.

4 posted on 06/21/2002 9:19:53 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: white trash redneck
Envy is behind the leveling spirit of socialism.

Was there ever any doubt? Watching children divide up gifts or trade toys results in the same conclusion - immature brats will always spoil it for others rather than satisfy themselves. My conclusion: leftists are spoiled children.

5 posted on 06/21/2002 9:21:11 AM PDT by balrog666
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To: white trash redneck
Ayn Rand exposed this dark side of human psychology quite effectively in her novels. And she is still being bitterly attacked for it, by mystics on the Left and Right.
6 posted on 06/21/2002 9:25:45 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Maceman
This appears to be Islam's version of the Golden Rule.

Good observation.

7 posted on 06/21/2002 9:26:21 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: white trash redneck
Perhaps I'm missing the obvious, but 1 important point is not explictly stated here:

In an artificial environment (pyschology lab experiment) humans behave in surprisingly evil and illogical ways. The feedback mechanism is not very sensible and so human behavior is not very sensible.

In a freemarket, feedback is direct and logical. Making money or losing money happens for reasons which are quite straightforward. Therefore, in a freemarket, humans behave in ways which are more logical and less evil.

Proof can be found in the US and in Soviet Union. US was productive and inventive and people saw their standard of living rise consistently. In the Soviet Union there were few inventions, low productivity and hopeless poverty.

The Democrats in this country oppose natural economic feedback systems. They want success to be guaranteed to all, with no special rewards granted to those who are hard-working and productive. When will they get a clue?

8 posted on 06/21/2002 9:49:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: white trash redneck
Don't forget, for the wealthier participants, there is a element os sefl defense involved in burning. Say you have a thousand dollars, and a poor competitor has only 50. For an expenditure of $1-13, you can protect yourself from a potential loss of $200-$1000. Sounds like a bargain, if you don't completely trust the other players.
9 posted on 06/21/2002 10:10:15 AM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: white trash redneck
Lobsters in a bucket...
10 posted on 06/21/2002 10:11:31 AM PDT by Slainte
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To: Still Thinking
Oops, too quick on the post button. Should have been "element of self defense". ;-)
11 posted on 06/21/2002 10:11:36 AM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: ClearCase_guy
Proof can be found in the US and in Soviet Union. US was productive and inventive and people saw their standard of living rise consistently. In the Soviet Union there were few inventions, low productivity and hopeless poverty.The stupid Russians didn't do it right. As long as there is an 'Evil Capitalist System' to oppress the Workers, true Socialism cannot lift the Masses.

The Democrats in this country oppose natural economic feedback systems. They want success to be guaranteed to all, with no special rewards granted to those who are hard-working and productive. When will they get a clue? It is an Article of the True Faith that only by The Sharing of Wealth can True Equality be Gained. Remember: "To each according to his need, from each according to his ability." Since Everyone is Equal, no one must have more than another.

This is Gospel, no less than the Stations of the Cross.

12 posted on 06/21/2002 10:21:29 AM PDT by jonascord
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To: jonascord
Is your post supposed to be a joke or are you?

For a joke, next time try a "/sarcasm" tag.

13 posted on 06/21/2002 10:27:32 AM PDT by balrog666
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To: ClearCase_guy
I agree with your distinction between the "artificial environment" of a gaming system and "real life economics" with its direct and usually prompt feedback.

However, I submit that voting on tax policy (by voting either Liberal or Conservative) is an "artificial environment" for many that for them approximates a gaming situation and, therefore, brings out the bahaviors observed by the testers.

14 posted on 06/21/2002 12:38:06 PM PDT by doc11355
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To: doc11355
I completely agree with you. Once upon a time, government played a very small role in the lives of the people -- and the economics of the marketplace played a very large role.

Nowadays, both political parties are in the business of making government "important" in one way or another. The artificial world of political gamesmanship now plays a big role in people's lives and most people have no clear understanding of the freemarket at all.

For the record, I support the GOP, but both the GOP and the Democrats are in the same business: making government a big part of people's lives. I say fie upon it!

15 posted on 06/21/2002 12:56:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: white trash redneck; madfly; Libertarianize the GOP
Great post
16 posted on 06/21/2002 1:46:44 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: white trash redneck
many thanks for the great post.

for more info on the subject, I suggest Doug Bandow's book "The Politics of Envy".

17 posted on 06/21/2002 2:56:31 PM PDT by muleboy
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To: white trash redneck
This is the most important point of the experiment:

During the game two of the players received an extra endowment of cash, a fact to which all of the players were alerted.

I believe this makes the "endowment" seem "unfair" and thus the recipients do not deserve the loot. Thus the other players feel entitled to a little selfish retribution.

Remember this when you hear Gephart the Lizard refer to the wealthy as "the winners in life's lottery."

18 posted on 06/21/2002 2:56:33 PM PDT by Lowcountry
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To: white trash redneck
I always thought envy was behind the bigger part of Jew-hatred.
19 posted on 06/21/2002 2:59:01 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: white trash redneck
...Oswald & Zizzo...WOW they are great!...saw them in Las Vegas a year or so ago...Fantastic comedy team.
20 posted on 06/21/2002 3:04:29 PM PDT by Khurkris
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