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Pilots with guns? Most readers say no (semi-BARF alert, with poll to FREEP)
MSN bCentral ^ | 6/10/02 | Joseph Anthony

Posted on 06/10/2002 4:16:50 AM PDT by ppaul

The U.S. government's ruling that commercial airplane pilots will not be allowed to carry firearms in the cockpit may quiet for now the pilots' demands to be able do so.

But it likely isn't the end of the issue.

Not only have the pilots been pushing to carry guns in light of terrorist attacks and threats, but the Association of Flight Attendants also has suggested that its 50,000 members have access to nonlethal weapons such as stun guns, also known as tasers.

That's why I recently asked bCentral's readers how they feel about allowing airline employees to have weapons on board planes.

More than 100 readers responded to my inquiry — which was posted on both the bCentral Web site and the bCentral Bulletin weekly newsletter, shortly before and after the U.S. Department of Transportation's ruling. The responses were thoughtful and passionate.

How do readers feel? Overall, by a margin of more than a 2 to 1, a majority of respondents found fault with the idea of putting weapons on planes.

Coffee, tea or tasers?

Some readers do feel it makes sense to have an armed crew. Several echo the view of Dave Bulicek of Crystal Lake, Ill., who says that allowing attendants to carry tasers is "a no-brainer." He asks, "What harm can come from that?"

One thing that struck me is that while satisfaction with airlines and airline employees in general is very low, passengers' opinion of airline pilots seems to be very high. Many readers, including those who opposed having any weapons on airplanes, made a point of emphasizing the faith they have in the men and women behind the controls of passenger jets.

However, even with pilots, people were able to envision legitimate concerns. Eric Mold, a retired Air Force fighter pilot in Vancouver, B.C., points out that even if only one out of 1,000 pilots carrying a weapon is "intent on doing mischief," that number is an unacceptable risk. "I call upon the other 99.9% of the [airline pilots] to reject this stupid idea," Mold says.

Worries about weapon control

While some worry about the potentially catastrophic effects of gunshots fired into a fuselage in mid-flight, concern about pilots and attendants losing control of weapons looms larger in the minds of many.

Tom Valuch of Atlanta, for example, likes the idea of allowing a flight crew to be armed, but is opposed to attendants having control of any weapons. "It'd be too easy to overpower a flight attendant and take control of a weapon," he says.

Writing from Ottawa, Ontario, Victor Neufeld says he liked the idea of allowing attendants to carry tasers, but with an important caveat. "I would want to know how these weapons are to be secured so that they do not end up being accessed by the criminal element and applied against the people whom they are meant to protect," he says.

David Scott of Christchurch, New Zealand, advocates other measures, such as reinforcing cockpit doors. He succinctly sums up his concerns about on-board arms: "Weapons are likely to be taken away from lightly trained users by fanatics who would be highly trained."

A gun is not a security blanket

Where do I stand on all of this? Well, like any frequent flier, I want to be safe — and the safer the better. But I don't think arming either flight attendants or pilots gets us there. And I don't think government announcements that somewhere, sometime there will be some sort of terrorist attack serve much purpose beyond scaring the spit out of citizens.

We're spending a lot of time watching airline employees wipe our laptop computers in search of explosive residue, and taking off our shoes for examination (woe to the man who spends time fertilizing his lawn before heading out to the airport). But the airlines are subjecting a mere fraction of our checked bags to bomb-detecting equipment, and we're still skimping on trained air marshals. (According to a recent article in USA Today, we're also skimping on the training some of those marshals are getting.)

Ultimately, I come down on the side of people like Jim Brown, a former federal agent now living in Gallup, N.M.

Says Brown, who used to be required to carry a firearm when flying, "Law enforcement officers shouldn't fly commercial airliners, and airline pilots shouldn't carry guns. Few pilots would have the resolve not to give up their weapon to save a crew member with a box-cutter to his or her throat. Well-trained law enforcement officers are immeasurably better prepared to handle such situations."

Link to article and poll to FReep HERE.



TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; 911; aircraft; airlines; arms; cockpit; faa; guns; hijack; lawenforcement; pilots; protection; safety; secondamendment; selfdefense; september11; tasers; terrorism; weapons
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"Law enforcement officers shouldn't fly commercial airliners, and airline pilots shouldn't carry guns..."

Sheesh!

Where do they finds these guys?
Anyway, FReep the heck out of his poll.


1 posted on 06/10/2002 4:16:50 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
Looks like the forces of commen sense are doing ok.
2 posted on 06/10/2002 4:21:50 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: ppaul
According to the results of the pool. This article is a lie. Most people want the pilots to carry guns and the cabin crew to carry stun guns.
3 posted on 06/10/2002 4:26:33 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: ppaul
Here's my reply to the article on their site:
Mr. Anthony's article about Pilots with Guns is just simply wrong.

His comment that Law Enforcement shouldn't fly commercial airliners and Airline Pilots shouldn't carry guns is so pathetically flawed in logic that it would be laughable if it were not so serious.

Guns in the cockpit, in the hands of a trained pilot (trained to fly and trained to shoot) would be the most effective final deterrent to hi-jacking and terror possible. We already entrust our lives to them, most are military trained, and the guns could easily be secured for their use alone. As a final resort ... I like it much better than a sidewinder missile up a jet exhaust.

Besides ... the poll I looked at there on your own site belies Mr. Anthony's comments about his own 100 voter poll. Over 2500 respondents on your poll and 82% approve of guns in the cockpit.

Sincerely,

Jeff Head
Emmett, ID

Author of Dragon;s Fury - Breath of Fire
A novel of the next World War
Eagles Up!
4 posted on 06/10/2002 4:55:17 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: ppaul
"Eric Mold, a retired Air Force fighter pilot in Vancouver, B.C., points out that even if only one out of 1,000 pilots carrying a weapon is "intent on doing mischief," that number is an unacceptable risk. "I call upon the other 99.9% of the [airline pilots] to reject this stupid idea," Mold says. So now the risk of some pilot going nuts and shooting people outweighs the need for control of the aircraft in case of an emergency. He just insulted the hsit out of all the airline pilots.

Also, why is this guy interviewing Canadians? Or is this "retired Air Force fighter pilot" just some dude who moved to Canada for some reason?

Anyway, his poll was just freeped and it needs to be freeped some more. The numbers are ONLY over 80% and 70% on the right side...

5 posted on 06/10/2002 4:57:38 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: ppaul
Let me get this straight. Some pilot is "intent on doing mischief", so he's flying the airliner, with a revolver on his hip. Faced with the choice of either crashing the airliner or shooting six people on the airliner, what's he gonna do?

This Anthony guy is just a jackass.

6 posted on 06/10/2002 5:01:18 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: ppaul
How do readers feel? Overall, by a margin of more than a 2 to 1, a majority of respondents found fault with the idea of putting weapons on planes.

Some readers do feel it makes sense to have an armed crew. Several echo the view of Dave Bulicek of Crystal Lake, Ill., who says that allowing attendants to carry tasers is "a no-brainer." He asks, "What harm can come from that?"

The inmates have made their takeover of the asylum complete. Guns under the voluntary control of pilots while on duty, and in a safe in operations at other times, makes good sense. Tasers in the cabin makes no sense.

7 posted on 06/10/2002 5:10:28 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: OKSooner
Too bad that "one out of 1000" pilots was not carrying a gun on one of those ill-fated flights on September 11th, eh?
This Joseph Anthony, each of his anti-gun interviewees, sounds like an imbecile.
8 posted on 06/10/2002 5:11:29 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
Freeped it! So far, it's a runaway!! Let's blow the lid off this one!!!
9 posted on 06/10/2002 5:17:03 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: ppaul
Freeped and bumped.

Leni

10 posted on 06/10/2002 5:22:21 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Destructor
Let's blow the lid off this one!!!

Agreed.
But remember, the poll is gonna run until 9/2002.
Go back and continue to FReep, even after this thread is history.

11 posted on 06/10/2002 5:26:02 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: Khepera
Most people? What stat are you citing?
12 posted on 06/10/2002 5:29:29 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: ppaul
Freeped and bumped. Readers everywhere in this guys mind agree, no guns in the cockpits...JFK
13 posted on 06/10/2002 5:30:47 AM PDT by BADROTOFINGER
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To: Destructor
The real question: Would the WTC be standing today with armed pilots in the cockpit? It strikes me as being very unlikely that box cutters would have overwhelmed the pilots and there would have been the damage to the WTC and the pentagon. This is an issue of survival, not an issue of pro and con on gun control. Realism dictates that this issue is far more important than who knew what when on the 9/11 attacks. The attacks would have never been finalized if a means of self-defense had been in place.
14 posted on 06/10/2002 5:34:37 AM PDT by meenie
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To: ppaul
Live Vote Do you believe that a commercial airline pilot should be allowed to carry a gun in the cockpit?
- 2545 respondents


Yes
82%
No
18%
15 posted on 06/10/2002 5:36:33 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta
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To: ppaul
probably in the the school of common sense. pilots need to be concerned with safely flying the aircraft and not heroics better left to someone else, air marshalls or whatever.
16 posted on 06/10/2002 5:37:04 AM PDT by reform4me
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To: meenie
The attacks would have never been finalized if a means of self-defense had been in place.

The sad, disgusting truth.


17 posted on 06/10/2002 5:37:24 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: reform4me
...pilots need to be concerned with safely flying the aircraft and not heroics better left to someone else, air marshalls or whatever.

Yeah.
Every darn passenger should be armed.

18 posted on 06/10/2002 5:39:14 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
If a pilot cannot carry a gun, then chances are that the cockpit is undefended because there can never be enough sky marshalls to fly on every flight. Besides, I'd feel more secure with an armed pilot than with an armed sky marshall sitting in the passenger section. Why try to sneak a weapon on board when you can simply overwhelm the sky marshall and seize his weapons?
19 posted on 06/10/2002 5:44:49 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: ppaul
Says Brown, who used to be required to carry a firearm when flying, "Law enforcement officers shouldn't fly commercial airliners

Well, la de da....

20 posted on 06/10/2002 5:58:45 AM PDT by steve-b
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