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Who Will the Republicans Choose To Take on Torricelli?
March 28, 2002 | Son of Soprano

Posted on 03/28/2002 6:55:06 AM PST by Son of Soprano

It strikes me as odd that there isn't a continuing string of discussion re: the GOP nomination contest to choose the Party's standard-bearer for the fall campaign against Bob Torricelli. So, as a service to NJ Freepers -- and those who pay attention to NJ politics -- I offer the following analysis of the state of play in the nomination contest as it currently stands, and would love to read comments:

1) Essex County Executive Jim Treffinger is the current front-runner (just ask him), by virtue of the fact that he's already run once before for the U.S. Senate AND the fact that he's rolled up the most endorsements of local elected officials and GOP party leaders. He's winning county lines up and down the state, and that favorable ballot position will help him on June 4.

But Treffinger has at least two GLARING problems with his candidacy, in terms of convincing GOP primary voters that he's the best nominee to face off against the Torch in the fall: a) his OWN history of campaign finance violations, which he's already admitted to (the FEC says he spent $163,000 that he shouldn't have spent on his 2000 Senate race, and has to pay it back from current campaign funds), which means that he and he alone of the GOP contenders cannot hit the Torch for his own campaign law violations; b) his own history of broken promises (i.e., he promised when he first ran for County Executive in 1994 that he would never solicit County employees or vendors for contributions, and then immediately broke that promise; he promised that he would only serve one term, and then broke that promise; and, perhaps most importantly for NJ Freepers who worked their butts off for Bret Schundler last year, he broke his promises to Bret not once, not twice, but SEVERAL times during the course of last year's campaign).

2) Diane Allen, a State Senator from Burlington Co., is wooing female Republicans with a pitch aimed solely at them -- I'm a woman, you're a woman, you should therefore vote for me. Her second line of argument is that she's best-positioned, according to the polls, to take him on.

I'll skip her first line of argument just because it's so silly. But as to her second line of argument, it, too, is silly -- she's citing polls that show her running 1-5 points better against Torch than any of the other GOPers, but she still loses substantially to him. Worse, in terms of her argument, her numbers are a function of her high name ID in South Jersey -- and even there, where she's got virtually the same name ID as the Torch, she loses to him by dougle digits. So she's really got no room to grow, as opposed to the other GOP candidates who have yet to establish themselves.

Moreover, she's far too liberal for the average GOP primary voter, let alone conservative GOP primary voters. She's pro-choice (actually voted to uphold a veto of a partial-birth abortion prohibition), and anti-death penalty. Further, she's not just in favor of McCain-Feingold, she actually supports FULL PUBLIC FINANCING of campaigns!

3) Robert Ray, the former Whitewater Independent Counsel, is raising questions -- such as, what the heck does he think he's doing?! He's gotten in WAY late, he's got no personal money to speak of, he's got no base, no organization. If you're going to run for the Senate under those conditions, there's only one thing left -- a compelling message, and the ability to deliver it in a compelling style. Which he clearly doesn't have. I've seen him on the stump several times now, and he's a bore.

More importantly, as other discussion threads indicate, the one thing he brings to the race is his status as the former IC. But that doesn't help him with liberals (who remember him to the extent they do as the guy who went after their beloved Slickmeister), nor with conservatives (who remember him to the extent they do as the guy who let Slickmeister skate). Sean Hannity hammered him last night along the latter lines -- if he REALLY believed he had the goods on Clinton (as his final report indicates), then why didn't he prosecute?!

4) Doug Forrester. Finally, a guy who can appeal to the GOP base AND work the moderate center so crucial to winning in NJ. He's got local and state government experience (former Mayor of West Windsor, former State Pension Director -- in which position he fought attempts to raid pension funds of state retirees, including teachers, cops, firemen, etc.) AND he's a successful self-made multimillionaire businessman (the kind of bio that really appeals to GOP primary voters).

Forrester is pro-choice in the first trimester, but supports parental notification and a ban on partial birth abortion, and will vote to confirm pro-life justices. His position on the 2nd Amendment is firm -- no new laws, just enforce the laws on the books. He supports Bush on tax cuts, and opposes increasing debt.

And he's got his own money. What's not to like about a Republican Corzine, who's willing to put his own money where his mouth is to take out the Torch? The only question about Forrester is this -- is he REALLY winning to put down in cash what it's going to take to overcome Treffinger's advantageous ballot position? Early indications are that the answer is YES, he WILL -- he's been running ads on radio since January, and went up on cable TV this week. His mail looks good, and he showed (by winning the Middlesex County Convention -- the ONLY one of the county conventions that's open to all registered Republicans) that he can appeal to the Republican grass roots. Keep your eye on him -- he's got low name ID now, but that will grow as his paid media takes effect.

5) Gregg/Matheussen. Guy Gregg, a stalwart "Mountain Man," has no money at all and should get out while the getting's good. He based his candidacy on the hope/belief that the Schundlerites would rally around him, but he's run up against a simple problem -- an awful lot of the Schundlerites went to Bret because he is pro-life, and Guy happens to be a pro-choice Catholic.

John Matheussen is running for ... Congress against Rob Andrews in 2004? Is that why he's in this race, to raise his name ID to position himself for a run in '04? Can't figure this one out.

Well, there's my two cents' worth. Would be interested to see what other NJ Freepers have to say. We've got a tremendous opportunity to get rid of Bob Torricelli this year -- but in order for that to happen, we're going to need a concerted effort, with ALL wings of NJ GOP working together (unlike LAST year, when the Donnie feather of the Party, which controls a LOT of the money, took a pass on the fall campaign).


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: abortionlist; allen; catholiclist; electionuscongress; forrester; gregg; matheussen; newjersey; prolife; ray; sprint; torricelli; treffinger; ussenate
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1 posted on 03/28/2002 6:55:06 AM PST by Son of Soprano
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To: Son of Soprano
We've got a tremendous opportunity to get rid of Bob Torricelli this year

The Department of Justice had a tremendous opportunity to get rid of Bob Torricelli, but decided he was (like all democrats), above the law.

Another feather in Ashcroft's cap.
2 posted on 03/28/2002 6:59:01 AM PST by wheezer
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To: Son of Soprano
The Torch will win, although I would LOVE to see ANYONE elminate the SOB. Remember, Jerseyites have a high tolerance for corruption and have not ELECTED a Republican Senator since the liberal Clifford Case. Jersey is the place where people identify as "moderates" yet vote "liberal."
3 posted on 03/28/2002 7:00:06 AM PST by Clemenza
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To: Son of Soprano
bump for later
4 posted on 03/28/2002 7:00:08 AM PST by Fzob
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To: **New_Jersey;*Election US Congress
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6 posted on 03/28/2002 9:53:11 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: KQQL
fyi
7 posted on 03/28/2002 9:55:23 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: Son of Soprano
Son of Soprano member since March 28th, 2002

Hmmmm . . . hi Bill!

8 posted on 03/28/2002 10:19:32 AM PST by Exit 109
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To: Son of Soprano
YO......! I say TONY SAPARONA would kick Da Torch Butt....
9 posted on 03/28/2002 10:43:37 AM PST by KQQL
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To: Son of Soprano
YO......! I say TONY SAPARONA (not Soprano ) would kick Da Torch Butt....
10 posted on 03/28/2002 10:44:09 AM PST by KQQL
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To: Son of Soprano; Alberta's Child; Antoninus;BeforeISleep; Betteboop; Black Agnes; Cagey; Clikker...
This is not an endorsement

John Matheussen, Republican Candidate for United States Senate will appear on News 12 New Jersey's Power and Politics this weekend. Please take a few minutes to tune in and see for yourself why John Matheussen is the best candidate in the Republican Primary to defeat Bob Torricelli.

The show can be seen on Saturday at 11am, 3pm, 10:30pm and on Easter Sunday at 11am and 3pm

If you have any questions about the Matheussen for Senate campaign please contact the HQ at 856-228-4473

11 posted on 03/28/2002 2:59:42 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Son of Soprano
Donnie DiFrancesco and the moderates burned too many bridges to the conservatives with their performance in the gubernatorial campaign. Not content to merely shut up and stay home, Donnie and his boys actively worked behind (barely) the scenes to defeat Schundler.

They preserved the corrupt bipartisan machine that is NJ politics.

It really doesn't matter anymore whether the political insider on the take carries a D or an R after his name.

Like the Sopranos, they're all family now.

I'll whistle past the graveyard and vote Libertarian.

12 posted on 03/28/2002 3:04:46 PM PST by dead
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To: dead
I'll have to be "dead" before I ever vote for a libertarian, how about someone from the Conservative or Constitutional Party?
13 posted on 03/28/2002 4:08:18 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the heads up Coleus, I'll watch Sat. night.
14 posted on 03/28/2002 4:16:33 PM PST by firewalk
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To: Son of Soprano
Well, this is a start ---- getting them all in one place. We have your view, SoS. Anyone else want to expand?

Does The Torch have the primary to himself?

15 posted on 03/28/2002 5:07:29 PM PST by Exit148
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To: Son of Soprano
Diane Allen ... she's far too liberal for the average GOP primary voter

I won't vote for Diane Allen either in the primary, or the general if (heaven forbid) she should get that far. She's a back-stabbing RINO. Didn't she try to steal the spotlight from Schundler when he had Carl Rove up here during the campaign by hosting a competing event on the same night?

I'll vote for whoever Bret Schundler endorses, assuming he makes choice. (I hope he'll at least make a private endorsement here on FR...)
16 posted on 03/28/2002 5:39:09 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: Son of Soprano
4) Doug Forrester.

I've seen this guy's direct mail. I've been to his web site. I'd like to get excited about him, but I can't figure out what the heck he stands for, if anything. His message seems to be: "Elect me. I'm not as corrupt as Torricelli." That's great, but I won't vote for a guy if I don't know where he stands on 1.) abortion, 2.) Taxes, 3.) The 2nd Amendment, 4.) Special rights for homosexuals. I've seen no trace of his opinions on these matters anywhere, except what you've written above.

So far, I have absolutely no one to get excited about here. It's looking like I'm going to sit back and watch this unfold and register a vote for the most conservative candidate when the primary comes around. Then, when a RINO gets the nod, I'll vote 3rd party in November. I will NEVER vote for another RINO again.
17 posted on 03/28/2002 5:49:50 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: stanz;Black Agnes; dbwz
ping for New Jersey voters
18 posted on 03/29/2002 9:55:40 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Antoninus
Forrester is a conservative. He supports a ban on partial-birth abortion, parental notification, and will vote to confirm pro-life justices. His position on the 2nd Amendment is simple -- he recognizes the individual right to self-defense contained therein, and believes there is no need for new gun laws; rather, we should enforce the laws already on the books. He vehemently opposes McCain-Feingold campaign "reform" as an assault on the First Amendment (he's especially irked, he said on NJN back in February, by the provisions banning issue ads within 60 days of a general election and 30 days of a primary election, noting (correctly) that this is EXACTLY the time when an electorate begins to pay serious attention; and, therefore, incumbents' attempts to prohibit such discussion can only be interpreted as an incumbent protection measure). For similar reasons, he opposes public financing of campaigns, and he whacked Diane Allen at the same NJN appearance for her support for public financing.

The issue in the fall campaign is going to be a simple one -- do the voters believe Torricelli deserves another term, or not? Forrester appears to be the only one positioned to make that argument with clean hands. He's got a strong Republican Party history, is a successful businessman willing to put his money where his mouth is, and he's personally disgusted by the Torch, and wants to take him out.

What more could you ask for?

19 posted on 03/29/2002 10:58:56 AM PST by Son of Soprano
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To: Son of Soprano
Oops, forgot taxes and "special rights" for homosexuals.

He's a businessman, and it's a small business, so it's probably incorporated as an S Corporation, which means he's paying 40 percent off the top before he gets to see the fruits of his own labor. He doesn't like taxes any more than the next guy, and wants them cut. He supported the Bush tax cut proposal, but doesn't think it goes far enough.

But he's also quick to point out that -- especially given the experience of New Jersey under Christie Whitman -- it is irresponsible to cut taxes with one hand while increasing debt with the other. The key is to get a handle on government SPENDING -- if you don't turn off the spigot, it doesn't make any difference whether the water is hot or cold, you're still WET.

So he wants to take a big whack at federal government spending, and reorder priorities along more market-oriented lines.

As for "special rights," it's my understanding that he believes no one should be granted "special rights" on the basis of sexual orientation. In addition, he's a known strong supporter of the Boy Scouts -- he's a former Eagle Scout himself, and at some of his campaign events, he's even had Boy Scout Color Guards present the flag.

20 posted on 03/29/2002 11:05:05 AM PST by Son of Soprano
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