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Hi Efficiency Engine Design
2/21/2002 | John Jamieson

Posted on 02/21/2002 1:31:00 PM PST by John Jamieson

Hi Efficiency Engine Design
John Jamieson MIT67

I’ve been studying the reasons that modern internal combustion engines operate at 25 to 30% efficiency for the last year or so. There are basically three main areas that seem repairable but would lead to large efficiency increases.

1. Current engines are symmetrical stroke. They have the same compression ratio as exhaust ratio. About 10 to 1 is the limit for compression ratio with modern gasolines, but the ideal expansion ratio is more like 25 to 1. Atkinson realized this problem in 1896 and patented and built many engines to prove the concept. He was run over by lighter, smaller, cheaper Otto cycle engines. (Current “Atkinson cycle” engines are really “Miller cycle” engines, without asymmetrical strokes).

2. Current engines cannot adapt to variable displacement to adjust output. High output can very efficient but low output requires throttling of the air, reducing compression ratio and efficiency. (Most cars only require 10 to 20 horsepower to cruise at 60 mph).

3. Current engines generate about half their internal friction due to piston side loads. Several patents claim to correct this but most are statically indeterminate, which means they don’t work.

Come up with a new engine design that fixes these three problems and you’ll improve IC engine efficiency by 50 to 100%.

Please don’t tell me about any existing technology, I’m familiar with the vast majority of existing designs, having studied over a thousand patents. Most don’t close to solving these three problems in any practical way. Original ideas only please. Yes, I do have a design that solves two of the three problems, that I’d be glad to share with anyone interested. (Graphical simulation in VB available).


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I’m not concerned with patent rights here, because I believe that the world is not yet really interested in hi efficiency engine design.
1 posted on 02/21/2002 1:31:00 PM PST by John Jamieson
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To: John Jamieson
There is always a market for more effecient engines. More efficient means more power out of a smaller package. Smaller means less weight. Less weight means even more fuel savings.

You forget the necessary heat loss. Develope a lubricant that will withstand 400 deg F and you can greatly increase efficiency.

Have you considered variable valve timing and radical cam design in conjunction with high compression?

2 posted on 02/21/2002 1:39:00 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: John Jamieson
I am interested.

I think this represents public disclosure of your invention, and does have ramifications in regards to patent law.

3 posted on 02/21/2002 1:40:00 PM PST by Check_Your_Premises
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To: John Jamieson
Some new ideas in valve actuation might solve the first two problems---say an engine designed for the 25-1 expansion but with a compression release to limit the engine to 10-1 compression.

Some type of bypass port in the cylinder wall that opens on compression stroke but closes on the power stroke, perhaps?

4 posted on 02/21/2002 1:43:39 PM PST by ZOOKER
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To: John Jamieson
Come up with a new engine design that fixes these three problems and you'll improve IC engine efficiency by 50 to 100%.

What do you mean when you say "efficiency"? How are you defining it?

5 posted on 02/21/2002 1:45:01 PM PST by Logophile
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To: ZOOKER
"What about a planetary gear of some sort on the crankshaft?" asks the optical engineer as he thinks out load.
6 posted on 02/21/2002 1:50:29 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: John Jamieson
Has anyone ever come up with an engine design that uses centrifugal force to compress the air/fuel mix? For example, having cylinders spin at a very high speed around a central axis, using centrifugal force to compress the gases with a piston, and then the force against the piston on the power stroke to push down against a crankshaft, said power being used to impart forward motion to the spinning cylinders. Power is then taken off of the housing that the cylinders are mounted to.

Hey, you asked for original ideas. You didn't say they had to be good ideas.

Then there is always the good old fashioned Tesla turbine. Has that ever been developed into a useful product?

7 posted on 02/21/2002 1:52:51 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: ZOOKER
Thats the Miller cycle used in several Mazdas, Toyotas, and Hondas. It works to limited extent.
8 posted on 02/21/2002 1:53:54 PM PST by John Jamieson
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To: Logophile
(Horsepower*hours) per gallon
9 posted on 02/21/2002 1:55:14 PM PST by John Jamieson
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To: John Jamieson
Does anyone remember Jocko's tri-rotor thingy from several years ago. Suppose to weigh 35-40 pounds and put out a ton of torque. I think I saw it in a Popular Hot Rodding article.
10 posted on 02/21/2002 1:56:25 PM PST by rebelskid
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To: John Jamieson
"3. Current engines generate about half their internal friction due to piston side loads. Several patents claim to correct this but most are statically indeterminate, which means they don’t work."

The math on that problem is pretty simple: one big piston (ala Steam engine size) has less side load friction than a bunch of smaller pistons because it has less side load area.

11 posted on 02/21/2002 1:56:59 PM PST by Southack
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To: Redcloak
You mean like the old 2-stroke "rotary valve"? Maybe.

OTOH, with electronic or computer-controlled valves, you could drop a few cylinders on the engine to zero compression, limiting engine displacement to only what's needed (problem 2).

Like the old Cadillac V8-6-4 engine, except make it work RIGHT this time...

12 posted on 02/21/2002 1:57:36 PM PST by ZOOKER
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Don't take this the wrong way, but this thread reminds me why I left engineering school after one semester...
13 posted on 02/21/2002 1:58:07 PM PST by rohry
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Hi Efficiency Engine Design

Maybe you should take a look at the total system -

- and look to recover some of the kinetic energy the vehicle has when coming to a stop (where, normally, all THAT energy is simply turned to heat in the brakes).

Oh, sorry - Toyota and Honda beat you to it!

(To wit, the Prius and the Insight.)

14 posted on 02/21/2002 1:58:15 PM PST by _Jim
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To: John Jamieson
Ok, you don't want to talk about anything but original designs, but I just have to add this one.

Do the "Turbo Compound" thing, like on the Lockheed Constellation airplane. Uses a turbine in the exaust to capture wasted energy and directly powers the drive shaft. This uses up the wasted expansion ratio.

I'm familiar enough with patents that I can say that even though this has been done, there are still zillions of opportunities to patent little necessary pieces of such things that adapt such technology to cars.

15 posted on 02/21/2002 1:58:35 PM PST by narby
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To: Redcloak
Early steam engines! They were trying to get around a patent on the crankshaft!

Several differential crankshaft designs using opposed pistons have been tried with limited success. Many old patents.

16 posted on 02/21/2002 2:00:04 PM PST by John Jamieson
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To: Check_Your_Premises
I'm not concerned about the discloser. Send me your email address and I'll send you two small VB simulations. The first is the Atkinson design and the second is my improvements. John
17 posted on 02/21/2002 2:02:21 PM PST by John Jamieson
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To: Southack
Long rods help too, but let's get rid of the friction altogether by guiding the piston straight down the bore.
18 posted on 02/21/2002 2:04:04 PM PST by John Jamieson
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Yes, raising engine temperature helps too, Smoky melted several Buick v6's testing the idea in the 60s. He made some of them into V2s!
19 posted on 02/21/2002 2:05:57 PM PST by John Jamieson
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Gas turbine does this nicely. Need real small one. Better materials may yet make these practical for cars.
20 posted on 02/21/2002 2:07:29 PM PST by John Jamieson
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