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Coerced Consent (BATF & Sheriff Trash the Constitution in Gun Search)
Pinedale Roundup; Pinedale, Wyoming | January 10, 2002 | Jason Mundy & Rob Shaul, editor.

Posted on 01/11/2002 6:42:11 PM PST by Old Badger



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If this doesn't send a chill down your spine as to the safety of our constitutional rights nothing will. This Sheriff is up for reelection and questions will be raised as to why he was involved in violating this resident's constitutional rights.

I'll post on this thread the Pinedale Roundup owner/editor's comment momentarily.............it's excellent and right on point!!

1 posted on 01/11/2002 6:42:11 PM PST by Old Badger
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To: Old Badger
IMHO, they had little or no cause to get a warrant and they knew it or else they would have had it. It was a Nazi fishing espedition pure and simple.
2 posted on 01/11/2002 6:48:48 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Old Badger

This guy's editorial opinion is outstanding. That he had the courage to make a major issue of this in this small town speaks volumes of his character.

3 posted on 01/11/2002 6:53:58 PM PST by Old Badger
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To: Old Badger
If the story is accurate it sounds like they got his name from the customer records of the gentleman who was marketing the .50 BMG kits. I forget what his name is but he was put on trial in Arizona only to have all the charges dropped by the BATF. I don't know what the outcome was but at the time there was some speculation on this forum that what they really wanted from this man was his customer records. The .50 BMG kits, when assembled for personal use, do not legally have to have a serial number.

Kudos to the reporter and agent for hyping up the dangers of this weapons awesome distructive powers. <\sarcasm>

4 posted on 01/11/2002 6:59:18 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: Old Badger
and as some would have us believe we as citizens of these United States of America have lost no rights under the unread but signed into law patriot act.
5 posted on 01/11/2002 7:06:43 PM PST by IRtorqued
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To: Old Badger
SUBLETTE COUNTY
Sheriff Hank Ruland
Box 701
Pinedale, WY 82941
PH: 307-367-4378
FAX: 307-367-4360
6 posted on 01/11/2002 7:10:06 PM PST by ao98
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To: Old Badger
It also looks like NFA regulated firearms (fully automatic) are perfectly legal in Wyoming as well.

Wyoming - Firearms Laws

7 posted on 01/11/2002 7:12:07 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: Old Badger
Wyoming bump!
8 posted on 01/11/2002 7:12:19 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Travis McGee; Mercuria
Thank God the Patriot Act will only be used for good.

Release the hounds!

9 posted on 01/11/2002 7:13:45 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: Dan Cooper
Along the same line of thought pertaining to records, I had ordered on October 10,2001, 3 high capacity magazines (legal here) which I still haven't received. I am wondering if the company was a front for record collecting for the BATF. Paranoia is running rampant now that this BATF raid occured. :O)
10 posted on 01/11/2002 7:18:05 PM PST by Old Badger
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To: Dan Cooper

Here's the guy in AZ that got busted

http://maadigriffin.com/

here's the guy that replaced him so to speak

http://www.birdman.org/products/jaded.htm

with this


11 posted on 01/11/2002 7:25:17 PM PST by IRtorqued
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To: ao98
I live right in his county. His popularity is going to sink as a result of this action. There are other questionable law enforcement procedures he's pulled. I fully intend to skewer him not only at the polls but in the letter to the editor section of this paper.
12 posted on 01/11/2002 7:27:45 PM PST by Old Badger
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To: Dan Cooper
and if you order now

13 posted on 01/11/2002 7:33:42 PM PST by IRtorqued
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To: Old Badger
According to my Rand McNally atlas there are 6000 thousand people in your county. I know by the next election you and your freinds can tell enough people about your sheriff. Thanks for your efforts.
14 posted on 01/11/2002 7:34:29 PM PST by ao98
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To: Old Badger
" This Sheriff is up for reelection and questions will be raised as to why he was involved in violating this resident's constitutional rights. "

Folks out there ought to all be advised about this.

15 posted on 01/11/2002 7:37:16 PM PST by spunkets
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To: *bang_list
Bump.
16 posted on 01/11/2002 7:40:43 PM PST by spunkets
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To: IRtorqued
Unfriendly Products for an Unfriendly World

Too right, LOL

17 posted on 01/11/2002 7:47:14 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: Old Badger
The guy is a woos for signing the consent form.
19 posted on 01/11/2002 8:24:03 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: nunya bidness,joe brower,patrioticamerican,jefferson adams,wardaddy,squantos,harpseal,lurker,blam
Nothing like signing a "consent to search" paper with pistols to your head. Welcome to Amerika.

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For any new freepers who don't know, I am writing a novel about the federal government's assault on the 2nd amendment which follows a scenario which could be put into action at almost any time in this era of the "Patriot Act". I think my novel will be more accessible than John Ross' fine novel "Unintended Consequences", (certainly it will be shorter, at under 400 pages, and it will not be gratuitously, needlessly sexual).

The novel starts in an NFL stadium high in a light tower when a groggy unemployed much VA-hospitalized "Gulf War Syndrome" vet awakens. He is dressed in desert cammies and has an AK-47 tied to him with a lanyard, has a terrible headache and a dry mouth and no clue what he is doing there. Just as he begins to sit up on the ledge, a helicopter comes into his view from the sun and he is shot by a local SWAT sniper. That is how the novel opens.

Of course, 100s are dead by "his" bullets and many hundreds more are dead and injured in the panic and stampede. On Monday both houses of congress pass an emergency bill in record time outlawing the private possession of all centerfire semi-auto rifles, with a one-week turn in period and no buy-back. The few pro 2nd Amendment congressmen willing to speak are shouted into silence, the bill is passed and signed by the president, public opinion polls show overwhelming support for it.

The next Friday night there is a "gun store kristallnacht" in SE Virginia as "mobs of outraged citizens" in the dead patsy's home town torch them with gasoline bombs. The mobs are actually gang bangers on parole recruited by the acutal organizers of the stadium massacre, who are two deranged and power mad BATF officials. They hope by creating a massacre blamed on easy access to high capacity "assault rifles" to become the leaders of a new anti gun federal law enforcement division with sweeping powers and unlimited funding.

A decorated Viet Nam green beret is killed with a bomb secretly placed in his car, then it is leaked to the media that he was on his way to blow up a federal building when "his bomb went off prematurely". Other "false flag" black operations of this sort lead to a public climate of fear and hysteria over "right wing militia terrorism". The aim of the plotters is to have the president authorize the creation of a special covert federal unit which will be permitted to act outside the constitution to pro-actively terminate "suspected terrorists" using Phoenix Program tactics on American soil during "the emergency".

That is just the beginning, but as you can imagine, the plot does not exactly go according to plan. A new division of the BATF is secretly named the "lead agency" in the repression of "gun nuts and militia fanatics", when actually it was a rogue BATF senior official who orchestrated the stadium massacre in order to increase his power and his budget in the predictable reaction to the "right wing militia massacre and bombings". In fact, this official had conveniently already written contingency plans for this type of new counter terrorism unit, and is (as he planned) named the first chief of the new covert "Special Projects Division".

Anyway, the situation evolves into a sub rosa "dirty war" of secret arrests, covert "interrogation centers", "disappearances", assasinations and counter assasinations, with the JBTs using the latest computer, GPS, wireless, and digital face imaging technology, and the other side using their "ten million scoped deer rifles" one shot at a time that I used to write about. Running throughout the book is the race to solve the mystery of the stadium shooter: was he truly, as reported, a deranged former Marine, or just a hapless patsy? Did he even fire a shot? If he is a patsy, who put him up there with the rifle?

Needless to say, ABCNNBCBS has one opinion (the anti gun govt. line) while the internet forums are a hotbed of opposing theories. A website called FreeAmerica.Com plays a major role in revealing the details of the plot, the truth and the outcome is left up in the air until the very end, as some of the targeted "right wing gun nuts" take the dirty war back to the "Special Projects Division", and the full truth about the stadium massacre and aftermath is readied for airing on one new major news network, while the S.P.D. races to stop the story from airing by all the means at its disposal.

Post 9-11 I lost a couple of months of writing time, wondering if my novel would have any more relevance or would even be sellable. Current events such as those mentioned in the article above convince me that my story is more relevant than ever. I have been redirecting some of the plot line slightly to take into account legitimate fears of arab muslim terrorism, which have had the side effect of prodding most Americans to accept ever greater restrictions on their civil liberties. And as we see, we have a federal law enforcement apparatus which seems ever more willing to adopt gestapo tactics in the name of combating terrorism, and would like nothing more than to find domestic "right wing militia terrorist groups" to turn their new powers against.

And if the JBTs cannot find actual "right wing militia terrorists", it may prove very tempting to some in the "anti terrorism industry" to create them.

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20 posted on 01/11/2002 8:36:51 PM PST by Travis McGee
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