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Pilot at fault used Profiling against SS Agent
CNN - Crossfire Transscript 1/4/2 ^ | 1/4/02 | Self

Posted on 01/04/2002 9:34:45 PM PST by ImphClinton

Edited on 04/29/2004 1:59:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Here's one from Karen who's from upstate, New York. Big territory. "Bill, I almost always agree with you, but you are really wrong on this one. The pilot did exactly the right thing. And anyone who believes a government ID cannot be forged is living in a fantasy."


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To: Byron_the_Aussie
One other aspect of this that's pretty tawdry ; American operates their hub from Fort Worth. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram publishes the agent's name, against his wishes, but suppresses the name of the pilot.

That stinks.

Not really.

181 posted on 01/05/2002 4:46:19 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: He Rides A White Horse; Cultural Jihad
Thanks for the correction. I need coffee. Sorry.
182 posted on 01/05/2002 4:47:16 AM PST by MSSC6644
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To: ImphClinton
This agent has delusions of grandeur. He said, when he got belligerent, that he had the power of the president. Since when? He was also unable to fill out simple forms properly, and as such should be fired from the president's BG force.

I'll fly with that pilot any day.

183 posted on 01/05/2002 4:47:25 AM PST by chainsaw
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To: ImphClinton
Nonsense;Bed-wetting Liberal Nonsense.
184 posted on 01/05/2002 4:47:54 AM PST by BARGE
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
They'll probably explain the agent's motive for taking a stand over this; ie, that many, many persons of Arab descent are being booted off planes on specious grounds, and the only way to stop it is for someone to take a stand.

Yawn...as long as I can fly safely.

185 posted on 01/05/2002 4:48:25 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: Cachelot
..you seem to have some obsession that no person of Arab ethnic origin should have to act responsibly....

Just by the way Cachelot, if this 'irresponsible' 'belligerent' etc etc agent was pulled off the plane, where's all the eyewitnesses, from amongst the passengers, who should have come forward by now, to tell their story? 'I Saw Belligerent Agent Abusing Pilot!', and all that?

186 posted on 01/05/2002 4:50:55 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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Great post!
187 posted on 01/05/2002 4:52:04 AM PST by jammer
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To: joyce11111
I agree. The pilot did the right thing. I would expect the SS agent to be a complete professional and not a hot head.
188 posted on 01/05/2002 4:52:28 AM PST by clodkicker
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To: UberVernunft
..why wait...we're all laughing at you right now...

... not really...

...yawn...as long as I can fly safely....

He he he.

Not up to debating the actual issues, eh, lightweight?

Surprise, surprise....

189 posted on 01/05/2002 4:55:09 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: MSSC6644
I've done it myself. Coffee sounds good.
190 posted on 01/05/2002 4:55:13 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: newsperson999
Ladies and gentlemen, before we depart I would like to make the following announcement. We have a passenger on this aircraft who is carrying a gun. He says that he’s a Secret Service Agent. He has tried three times to submit the paperwork that would authorize him to board this flight with a loaded firearm. Each time he has filled out the paperwork incorrectly. He appears to me to be nervous and anxious. I believe he has been acting in a belligerent manner. I’m going to allow him to remain on board because he is of Middle Eastern descent and I’m concerned that if we deny him his seat he might file a lawsuit against this airline claiming racial profiling. Before we close the doors and push back I’m going to allow any of you who would like to take a later flight to grab your stuff and leave.” Just how many people do you think will be on that flight?

This puts it in perspective. I bet even the seatmate who said the pilot was being discrimatory would be out of his seat in a flash.

191 posted on 01/05/2002 4:56:52 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: ImphClinton
Pilot is right and agent is very wrong. End of story
192 posted on 01/05/2002 4:58:31 AM PST by Wagonmaster
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Not up to debating the actual issues, eh, lightweight?

I've probably posted 30 reponses on this issue over the last few days. I've addressed just about every issue that has come up, but I have yet to see you make a single rational and valid point. Listening to you go on about what is *really* happening behind the scenes and what is *really* going to happen later on is just laughable.

You come across as a one-dimensional characterization of a raving liberal.

193 posted on 01/05/2002 5:00:19 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: ImphClinton
"But then again would you expect American Airlines to admit they kept this legitimate Agent off the plane because of racial profiling. "

Seems to me you're more concerned with "racial profiling" than with airline security. The angry Arab SS agent was apparently reading an anti-Christian book for Muslims. Seems to me this guy has an agenda, and so do you.

194 posted on 01/05/2002 5:05:59 AM PST by Godebert
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To: FR_addict
How about this to put it into perspective:

"Ladies and gentlemen, before we depart I would like to make the following announcement. We have a passenger in this terminal who is carrying a gun. He says that he’s a Secret Service Agent. He has tried three times to submit the paperwork that would authorize him to board this flight with a loaded firearm. Each time he has filled out the paperwork incorrectly. He appears to me to be nervous and anxious. I believe he has been acting in a belligerent manner. I just kicked him off because of this but of course let him keep his automatic machine pistol."

Wait a minute the terminal just emptied.

I will never feel safe again with Pilots allowing armed terroist to roam the terminals.

195 posted on 01/05/2002 5:11:12 AM PST by ImphClinton
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To: Godebert
The angry Arab SS agent was apparently reading an anti-Christian book for Muslims. Seems to me this guy has an agenda, and so do you.

Right so let's kick him off the plane but let him keep his gun.

Sorry but this does not make me feel safe.

196 posted on 01/05/2002 5:14:12 AM PST by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
I will never feel safe again with Pilots allowing armed terroist to roam the terminals.

But he wasn't a terrorist so what's your point?

197 posted on 01/05/2002 5:17:41 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: McGavin999
He never let him board in the first place, and he left him with a policeman who was still checking out his ID.

If he never let him board what was his coat, book and other property doing at his seat? And how could the flight attendent riffle through his possessions after he had been ordered off the plane while they confirmed his identity.

The Agent boarded two AA flights that day at BWI with a loaded gun. On the first flight, the captain warmly received him. When that flight developed mechanical trouble, the Agent was tranferred to the second AA flight two gates over. They knew he was armed SS before he arrived at the plane. After he was seated, he went to the captain to present his credentials and then the Captain seeing he was of Arab descent went ballistic and asked AA headquarters for pictures of all known terrorists. Never did bother to call the White House to confirm the agents Identity. The Airline finally did so, soon after the plane left. From the point they placed the call until his identity was confirmed was five minutes. The total time the Captain spent on the ground screwing around with asking for the agents photo ID five times and having him fill out AA form three times was 75 minutes. Im not saying he didnt have reason to be concerned but he did not do anything a prudent and reasonable pilot would do to establish the agents identity.

198 posted on 01/05/2002 5:26:47 AM PST by Dave S
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To: UberVernunft
...I've probably posted 30 reponses on this issue over the last few days...

Yeah, I saw 'em. Mindless white noise, the whole thirty.

I think I'm speaking for the rest of FR when I say, 'see if you can say something intelligent, in the next one.'

200 posted on 01/05/2002 5:32:46 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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