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Britons '200,000 Years Earlier Than First Thought'
Ananova ^ | 12-21-2001

Posted on 12/24/2001 4:51:53 AM PST by blam

Britons '200,000 years earlier than first thought'

Man could have settled in Britain up to 200,000 years earlier than previously thought, according to new studies.

Prehistorians had thought the predecessors of modern humans began living in Britain between 450,000 and 500,000 years ago.

But recent discoveries in eastern and south western England suggest that is wrong, according to an article in the magazine New Scientist.

Researchers working in conjunction with the Natural History Museum are basing their new theories on analysis of a flint axe and other tools found on the East Anglian coast and investigation of butchery marks on a deer bone found in Somerset.

Experts think that some of these finds were in sediments that could date back 700,000 years.

Museum researchers, who have not revealed the exact locations of the discoveries, are carrying out further checks, adds the article.

Story filed: 15:52 Friday 21st December 2001


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crevolist; england; godsgravesglyphs; homoerectus; homoheidelbergensis; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; paleolithic; unitedkingdom
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200,000 years is a long time.
1 posted on 12/24/2001 4:51:54 AM PST by blam
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To: RightWhale;sawsalimb;LostTribe
FYI
2 posted on 12/24/2001 5:07:25 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Maybe that explains the bad teeth...
3 posted on 12/24/2001 6:25:04 AM PST by genefromjersey
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To: blam
DNA analysis will show the descendant of the ancient hunter to be a librarian now living in the same town about 600 feet from the archaeological dig. Farm has been in the family for generations. 35,000 generations.
4 posted on 12/24/2001 9:27:13 AM PST by RightWhale
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"DNA analysis will show the descendant of the ancient hunter to be a librarian now living in the same town about 600 feet from the archaeological dig."

It's happened before, huh? (The teacher)

5 posted on 12/24/2001 6:52:19 PM PST by blam
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"Geez, I found the article"

DNA links teacher to 9,000-year-old skeleton

Submitted by: CNN
March 7, 1997
Web posted at: 11:20 p.m. EST

LONDON (AP) -- Using DNA from a tooth, scientist have established a blood tie between a 9,000-year-old skeleton known as "Cheddar Man" and an English schoolteacher who lives just a half mile from the cave where the bones were found.

Oxford University scientists announced Friday that Adrian Targett, 42, a history teacher in the town of Cheddar in southwest England, shares a common ancestor with Cheddar Man.

It is the longest human lineage ever traced, the team of scientists from the university's Institute of Molecular Medicine said.

"They would have shared a common ancestor about 10,000 years ago so they are related -- just not very closely," said Dr. Bryan Sykes, leader of the research team.

Targett was startled by the news.

"I am overwhelmed, a bit surprised," said Targett, whose ancestry was revealed during the filming of a documentary for the TV station HTV, which commissioned the study.

"I was just about to say I hope it's not me."

Targett suggested that if more people were tested, researchers would find other relatives of Cheddar Man.

Larry Barham, a Texas-born archaeologist at Bristol University, said the finding "adds to the evidence that Britons came from a race of hunter-gatherers who later turned to farming because they found it was to their advantage." Archaeologists believe Cheddar Man, who lived during the Stone Age, was a hunter-gatherer.

Opponents of this theory argue that Britons are descendants of Middle Eastern farmers.

To get the DNA, scientists extracted cells from a molar tooth of Cheddar Man.

They compared the mitochondrial DNA -- which is inherited unchanged on the maternal line -- with samples of mitochondrial DNA from the cheek cells of 15 pupils at the Kings of Wessex school, where Targett works, and five adults from old Cheddar families.

Professor Chris Stringer, a researcher at London's Natural History Museum, said one problem with the research "is that we don't know that Cheddar Man had any children. This is mitochondrial DNA that is only inherited through the maternal link, so this would come from Cheddar Man's mother or his sister."

HTV said the discovery came when a television director was researching a series on archaeology. In search of information on whether cannibalism was practiced by Stone Age man, scientists took a sample of cells from the jaw of Cheddar Man, HTV said.

That led them to wonder if there could be modern-day relatives of the ancient man, who was discovered in 1903.

The network of underground caves at Cheddar, 130 miles west of London, is believed to have been home to a community of Stone Age people. Many artifacts have been found there.

Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed

6 posted on 12/24/2001 6:57:19 PM PST by blam
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"Using DNA from a tooth, scientist have established a blood tie between a 9,000-year-old skeleton."

"Oxford University scientists announced Friday that Adrian Targett, 42 ..."

"They would have shared a common ancestor about 10,000 years ago so they are related."

9,000 + 42 = 10,000? Must be that NEA math.

7 posted on 12/26/2001 3:54:02 PM PST by 4CJ
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Bump.
8 posted on 12/26/2001 4:14:41 PM PST by Junior
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To: blam
Maybe they have found the elusive ancestor of Piltdown Man.
9 posted on 12/26/2001 4:20:46 PM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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"Maybe they have found the elusive ancestor of Piltdown Man."

Piltdown man was a hoax. (But, you knew that, didn't you?)

10 posted on 12/26/2001 8:04:32 PM PST by blam
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I'm confused. 200K years is well before the arrival of Cro Magnon man (our own wonderful selves). So how could a modern human be related to this pre-human? Do we have Neanderthal genes? I suppose we do, if we all had common ancestors. Still, the article seems to leave out a lot of details.
11 posted on 12/27/2001 3:36:04 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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I'm a little confused, too. Awhile back I found some information pinpointing a genetic bottleneck for humanity at between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago. At this time, the human race was reduced to less than 20,000 individuals in eastern Africa. Now, it is conceivable that the folks living in England at this time were not modern humans, but Homo Erectus, the precursor of both Homo Sapien and Homo Neanderthalensis.
12 posted on 12/29/2001 12:10:31 AM PST by Junior
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Note: this topic is from 12/24/2001. Thanks blam.

13 posted on 12/20/2014 12:02:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ _____________________ Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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"Note: this topic is from 12/24/2001."

Seems like yesterday.

14 posted on 12/20/2014 12:12:15 PM PST by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: blam
Surprising what you find when digging around in your DNA. I remember when you found out you were a Lapp, in Part.
15 posted on 12/20/2014 12:24:20 PM PST by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: blam

It does dash by.


16 posted on 12/20/2014 12:55:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ _____________________ Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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Homo heidelbergensis — sometimes called Homo rhodesiensis — is an extinct species of the genus Homo which lived in Africa, Europe and western Asia from at least 600,000 years ago, and may date back 1,300,000 years. First discovered near Heidelberg in Germany in 1907, it was described and named by Otto Schoetensack It survived until about 200,000 to 250,000 years ago. Its brain was nearly as large as that of a modern Homo sapiens.

Neanderthals, Denisovans, and modern humans (H. s. sapiens) are all descended from H. heidelbergensis.

East Anglia's only a few hundred miles from Heidelberg.

17 posted on 12/20/2014 1:28:56 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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Using DNA from a tooth, scientist have established a blood tie between a 9,000-year-old skeleton known as "Cheddar Man" and an English schoolteacher who lives just a half mile from the cave where the bones were found.

That family didn't travel much did they?

18 posted on 12/20/2014 1:38:00 PM PST by rdl6989
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But recent discoveries suggest that is wrong - The Story of Science


19 posted on 12/20/2014 1:46:40 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SunkenCiv

Got me! I was glad to see RightWhale posting again but then I looked at the date.


20 posted on 12/20/2014 1:54:19 PM PST by Sawdring
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