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***Fierce Al Qaeda Defense Seen as a Sign of Terror Leader's Proximity***
New York Times ^ | Friday, December 14, 2001 | By JOHN KIFNER with ERIC SCHMITT

Posted on 12/13/2001 8:00:15 PM PST by JohnHuang2

December 14, 2001

Fierce Al Qaeda Defense Seen as a Sign of Terror Leader's Proximity

By JOHN KIFNER with ERIC SCHMITT

TORA BORA, Afghanistan, Dec. 13 — American-backed forces believe that they have surrounded Osama bin Laden and the last of his hard- core fighters in a complex of caves between two valleys just south of here, a senior American military official said tonight.

While American officials say they still do not know Mr. bin Laden's exact location and acknowledge that he could still slip out of the country, commanders are increasingly confident that a growing number of American, British and anti-Taliban Afghan ground forces have hemmed in the leader of Al Qaeda.

Troops are focusing on caves and tunnels in an area between the Agam Valley and the Wazir Valley, a forbidding landscape of snow-dusted peaks and ridges that takes in at least several square miles, another senior official said.

The Pentagon's belief that this may be Mr. bin Laden's hiding place is based in part on the fierceness of the Qaeda defense in the area and reported sightings by troops with Hazarat Ali of the Eastern Shura, which took over from the Taliban there.

The whereabouts of the leader of the collapsed Taliban government, Mullah Muhammad Omar, remains a mystery, although military officials were looking at possible sites in Helmand Province, west of Kandahar, the former Taliban stronghold in the south.

The hunt for Mr. bin Laden has drawn increasing numbers of allied commandos to the mountains of eastern Afghanistan, more than 100 in all, including specialized Army and Navy teams, military officials said.

Concerned that Al Qaeda fighters may be fleeing into neighboring Pakistan, the American military has doubled the number of commandos working alongside anti-Taliban Afghan forces to about 50 in the last few days, officials said. American Special Forces, or Green Berets, have been acting as liaison troops with the fighters of the Eastern Shura for several days.

With attempts to negotiate a surrender failing in the last few days, the fighting and the searching in this desolate mountain terrain intensified.

In response to questions, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said today in Washington that the United States had not rejected a proposed surrender agreement for Al Qaeda fighters on Wednesday, but he also said any settlement must be unconditional.

"This is not a drill where we're making deals," he said.

He said he preferred that Al Qaeda fighters give up, to avoid risking American lives and to provide important intelligence information.

"The first choice clearly is surrender," Mr. Rumsfeld said. "It ends it faster. It's less expensive. And we can encourage people to surrender."

"If they surrender, they may come out alive," he continued. "If they don't surrender, they may not. And it's kind of their choice. I, personally, would like to see people surrender. I, personally, would like to see us get our hands on them and be able to interrogate them and find out about the al Qaeda networks all across the globe. These people know things, and I'd like to know those things."

American bombs rained down on the ridges and peaks in Tora Bora throughout Wednesday night and all day today in the heaviest, steadiest barrages yet. One huge bomb on Wednesday night turned the sky magenta, and under a cold, gray sky today, there were steady bursts of smoke between the mountains followed moments later by the boom of the bombs.

Fighting resumed on the ground, marked by mortar and machine-gun fire, as Afghan tribal troops sought to take ground — some of it taken before and lost overnight — from Al Qaeda fighters.

The new commandos include members of the elite counterterrorist units Delta Force and Navy Seals, who are also specially trained to snatch terrorist leaders and conduct hit-and-run raids. On Oct. 20, Delta commandos attacked a house in Kandahar used by Mullah Omar.

Marine snipers, who can drop a target from hundreds of yards away, have also been deployed, military officials said.

Scores of British commandos, from either the Special Air Service or Special Boat Service, as well as Central Intelligence Agency officers, have also infiltrated the region, bringing the number of allied troops fighting with anti-Taliban forces to well over 100, military officials said.

American B-52 and B-1 bombers as well as Navy warplanes continued their bombardment of the cave and tunnel complexes today.

Four to six AC-130 gunships, working in tandem with unmanned Predator drones that relay live video feeds to the gunships, are prowling the border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan, strafing Al Qaeda forces trying to escape, military officials said.

"This is a pitched fight," said Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "The focus right now is in the Tora Bora area. There are a couple of main valleys there that we're trying to keep people from escaping."

The mission of the American commandos includes calling in airstrikes in two-man teams equipped with laser pointers and acting as advisers to the local fighters.

C.I.A. operatives are here to question prisoners and examine documents, among other tasks. The snipers could be equipped with special rifles firing heavy .50-caliber slugs, which could immobilize or destroy a vehicle.

The commandos have been glimpsed briefly, traveling the dirt roads in large four-wheel-drive vehicles, mostly with blacked-out windows, ducking their faces or wrapping them in the blanket-like shawls that Afghan men drape around their shoulders and heads here.

American officials vetoed an effort by one local commander, Muhammad Zaman, to broker a surrender arrangement, in addition to continuing their bombing during a supposed cease-fire, a senior Afghan official said tonight.

"They asked for surrender conditions, to turn themselves over to the United Nations and only to their own embassies," the governor of Jalalabad, Hajji Kadir, said at a news conference tonight, describing the Qaeda demands.

"On that condition, the Americans are not satisfied," Mr. Kadir said. "The Americans did not agree, and just because of that the fighting is starting again."

In southern Afghanistan, an advance party of American marines moved into the airport at Kandahar, while anti-Taliban forces continued to root out the last pockets of fighters remaining in and around the city.

But the Taliban's leader, Mullah Omar, appeared to have vanished into the mountains north or west of the city. "Omar is missing," Mr. Rumsfeld said. "Where is Omar?"

Mr. Rumsfeld said the United States would soon start offering rewards for information leading to the capture of senior Taliban leaders, including a $10 million bounty on Mullah Omar. This would be in addition to the $25 million in rewards offered for Mr. bin Laden and other top Qaeda leaders.

A senior military officer said the largest rewards would be reserved for a "fairly small" number of Taliban leaders, while a few dozen other lower-level Taliban leaders would yield bounties in the tens of thousands of dollars. The military is working with the Central Intelligence Agency to draw up a most- wanted list, the officer said.



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KEYWORDS: afghanistan; battleofafghanistan; battleoftorabora; talibanlist; torabora
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To: Travis McGee
SAS, SBS, CIA, Delta, SEALs, Marine Recon Snipers.... pretty good team in there.

Hear, hear!

21 posted on 12/13/2001 9:10:26 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
The bottom line is this:
The press is anguished over the smashing success of this war thus far.
They yearn for failure.
Their predictions of another Vietnam-style fiasco or debacle have been thoroughly discredited.
They crave for something -- anything -- by which to declare this mission a flop.
This is why they fantasize Osama Bin Laden skipping into Pakistan.

Memo to Media: Just keep on dreaming.

Great writing and the conclusion above is so much on target!

22 posted on 12/13/2001 9:11:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: *taliban_list
To find all articles tagged or indexed using taliban_list

Click here: taliban_list

23 posted on 12/13/2001 9:12:55 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks, amigo.
24 posted on 12/13/2001 9:16:07 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Travis McGee
SAS, SBS, CIA, Delta, SEALs, Marine Recon Snipers.... pretty good team in there.

Yea, but you forgot to add Whoraldo packing heat. LOL!

25 posted on 12/13/2001 9:26:45 PM PST by Balata
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To: JohnHuang2
Am I the only cruel bastard that doesn't want OBL killed outright?

I would like to see him kept alive for several days - "questioned extensively" while having physical therapy performed to encourage thorough debriefing on who/what/where/when is going on with his little worldwide band of criminals.

Then give him to the Afghan women.
Semper Fi

26 posted on 12/13/2001 9:27:53 PM PST by river rat
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To: Travis McGee
Heck , could be the guest list at a big watch lil pecker club meeting eh :o)

Stay Safe !

27 posted on 12/13/2001 9:37:34 PM PST by Squantos
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos
Given the team that is in there I would not want to bet on Ussama getting through if he is in Afghanistan which our troops will soon find out.

On the down side it is a rugged area and we do not know where every tunnel is located and he may just have one that goes from his current location to inside Pakistan. He also has a whole lot of cash and I am certain other valuta like gold to bribe or buy off whoever might turn him in. That plus the death of one's self and one's family might be enough to buty him a safe passage. It is really impossible tyo know from any press reports.

I want to see him dead. I would prefer after prolonged agony. Until that day all I can do is hope someone gets a bead on him or he is wounded and dies of gangreen.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

28 posted on 12/14/2001 5:49:45 AM PST by harpseal
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To: Squantos; harpseal
They must have needed one C-130 just to bring over all their watches.
29 posted on 12/14/2001 5:51:01 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: JohnHuang2
You nailed it, John. This isn't news, it's propaganda. It's a pathetic editor who can't tell the difference.
30 posted on 12/14/2001 5:55:38 AM PST by IronJack
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To: JohnHuang2
Great post as usual John!

The media is like a black pants suit...
stick to all things Clinton and cover up the ugly truth about the Clintons.

31 posted on 12/14/2001 6:03:48 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: JohnHuang2
Excellent observations.

And, speaking of motives, what prompted the "respected" Christian Science Monitor to risk its "reputation" by publishing this nonsense?

I would make that their once respected reputation, as you imply. Add U.S. News and World Report to that list although they are now trying to reinvigerate themselves post Clinton. CNN saw the handwriting on the bottom line and others have taken note also. If allowed to survive, free enterprise will convert tyrants everytime. That is why it is never allowed to survive.

32 posted on 12/14/2001 6:18:10 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: JohnHuang2
Great post! Printed and will hand out to my partners!
33 posted on 12/14/2001 6:25:48 AM PST by Registered
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To: JohnHuang2
what prompted the "respected" Christian Science Monitor to risk its "reputation" by publishing this nonsense?

The presstitutes have published so many bogus articles on this war in the last three months it is impossible to keep track of all of them.

Since much of it was our disinformation it looks like the enemy has decided to imitate our very successful tactics. Yet again they have underestimated us. The adults in the White House know better than to believe anything the "respected" media outlets say or print.
34 posted on 12/14/2001 6:35:26 AM PST by cgbg
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To: IronJack
You nailed it, John.

Thanks, my friend.

35 posted on 12/15/2001 4:36:44 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: N. Theknow
Thanks.
36 posted on 12/15/2001 4:37:15 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Thanks
37 posted on 12/15/2001 4:37:49 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Registered
Many thanks, amigo =^)
38 posted on 12/15/2001 4:38:11 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: cgbg
Agree with you 1000%.
39 posted on 12/15/2001 4:38:55 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Your articles/threads are always a great read and always on target.
40 posted on 12/15/2001 4:52:44 AM PST by mystery-ak
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