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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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KEYWORDS: bushbabeslist; enviralists; hughhewitt; jimroblist; opuslist; usocanteen; zionist
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To: Jim Robinson
I may never see the final count, but please, please, please keep FR alive and well. This is a small bit of sanity in an otherwise crazy world!
3,541 posted on 08/05/2002 5:12:47 PM PDT by myrabach
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To: Jim Robinson
I have contributed and I understand your reluctance not to make the financials public.

I just thought I would add that I do NOT mind if you DO get rich. I know you dont get rich off your website but I could care less if you did.

As you said, no one forces anyone to contribute so it is a moot point. I just figured I would throw my Capitalist two cents in... :D

3,542 posted on 08/05/2002 5:14:18 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: VRWC_minion
we could all go back to work without having to constantly look over our shoulders.

Are you insinuating that all the FR cubicle guys are going to start giving their employers a full days work for a full days pay?

Not me, buddy!

3,543 posted on 08/05/2002 5:16:13 PM PDT by metesky
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To: Jim Robinson
How can there be a problem with raising the
necessary funds? Last quarter's fund-raising objective
was quickly met, wasn't it?

Also, I began to feel hostile toward Free Republic
when posts I made were pulled for what I can only
believe is an extreme anti-Islam, anti-Arab bias on
the part of the moderators. Yes, we are at war, but not
with all Muslims and not with all Arabs.

To make it clear: I believe the genesis of the Palestinian
problem was the invasion of Palestine at the end of
World War II led by extreme Zionists. For some reason
it has become impermissible to express any view critical
of Zionism on Free Republic. Meanwhile, any kind of anti-Muslim hate propaganda is posted apparently without the
slightest fear of posts being removed.


3,544 posted on 08/05/2002 5:18:27 PM PDT by wotan
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To: Jim Robinson
Stays
3,545 posted on 08/05/2002 5:18:34 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: rintense
A FR lives PING!

Scorpions, Deep Purple, and Dio live and rock on... pong.

They all wailed, hard. Deep Purple almost stole the show from the Scorps. Ian Paice has a few years on Klaus Meine and even Ronnie James Dio, but looked great. All three can still hit the highs.

Only disappointment: no Ritchie Blackmore.

Dio had the best shirt for guys, Purple for girls.




3,546 posted on 08/05/2002 5:21:26 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Jim Robinson
Please keep it Jim
3,547 posted on 08/05/2002 5:22:30 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: Sabertooth
And what did your daughter think???
3,548 posted on 08/05/2002 5:22:47 PM PDT by rintense
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To: angelo
I will trash the anti freaks every chance I get. and that idiot web site, the liars port!
3,549 posted on 08/05/2002 5:23:27 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: rintense; Jim Robinson; BADJOE
Hi, Rintense! Thanks for the ping!

Jim< I say keep FR going!

BadJoe: I'l;l br writing that check soon as I can! Even sooner!

3,550 posted on 08/05/2002 5:24:48 PM PDT by Pippin
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To: Jim Robinson
I support you Jim!

I can't believe it has come down to this. You are, in IMHO, the kind of person that has made America worth living in. You are straight, honest, and tough. We need more people like you, and we need this website.

The pond scum that want to shut you down and want you to go away are the kind of backwater vermin that creep out of the slime at night to leech off the goodness that makes us all free men. They live in blackness and evil and fear the light of truth that shines daily from this site.

Fight on Jim. It is worth the fight.

3,551 posted on 08/05/2002 5:27:09 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: rintense
Change of plans... my brother went instead.

So I got her the Deep Purple t-shirt. Probably won't let her wear it until she can play "Smoke on the Water" on bass.

How close is your countdown for Sheryl Crow?



3,552 posted on 08/05/2002 5:28:29 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
5 days. I'm trying to convert my best friend into a Sheryl Crow fan. We have good seats, I just wish we were closer.
3,553 posted on 08/05/2002 5:30:18 PM PDT by rintense
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To: angelo
****There is ample room for a Liberty Post or a Lucianne.com. The more the merrier!****

UNLESS.......some decide to become disruptors. Or post threads like "Pray For My Bush" for the sole purpose of derision where anti-FR seems to be the only topic.

I traveled ALL over LP today (first time there)...I saw MANY on different threads that felt the need to post anti-freeper posts. And many that had to brag about how they had been to FR and posted XXXX.......or XXXX. I even saw entire posts from FR copied and posted on LP...for the purpose of ridicule. When was the last time you saw an LP thread posted on FR in it's entirety?

This is counter-productive to ALL isn't it? Isn't that a bit like turf wars.......or neighborhood gang wars?

Your statement is correct ONLY if respected by all parties. But as soon as some decide to 'visit'---OR---'register' for the sole purpose of disruption, then you are right back in a 'who's sandbox is better', childish, disruptive situation, no? And.......who benefits?

IMO.....ALL lose.
3,554 posted on 08/05/2002 5:30:34 PM PDT by justshe
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To: angelo
Hey, I'm not disagreeing that there's room for as many conservative sites as can make a go of it.

I clicked on three threads over there, in addition to one on the FR side.

All three started out with a comment or two about the article, (always negative), and then the threads degenerated into a, "I bet the people at TOS are swooning over this", "Yeah, them Bush butt kissers..."

A couple of other people will come in with an actual comment about the article and then more "TOS"/Bush bashing, and that's not on the FR forum.

Hey, if that's what they want, they can knock themselves out all day as far as I'm concerned. It just seems like a strange form of debate.

That said, I admit, my experience over there is limited. I'm not a Bush basher, therefore, I would be merely a disruptor. I'd rather not be, thank you very much.
3,555 posted on 08/05/2002 5:32:20 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: Jim Robinson; Yehuda
Everybody has an opinion and they ALL stink...so what...
STAY...Thanks Y!
BR
SS
JR you should use your lack of smell to seek employment which rewards such godlike objectivity! LOL!
And I maintain that more etiquette enforcement is needed...IMHO...Tough guys don't wear clothespins on FR...I OTOH have to use a Surplus Israeli Gas mask almost nightly!
3,556 posted on 08/05/2002 5:33:08 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: terilyn
See my #3554. SAME experience here.
3,557 posted on 08/05/2002 5:34:29 PM PDT by justshe
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To: Jim Robinson
Malcontents offer a funny reminder of the egos to which some people maintain.
Jim, Free Republic is needed as much, if not more, today as at its inception. You've provided the opportunity for multitudes to unite for common conservtive causes and have created a force du jour to the American society...and it's still growing! We can't thank you enough! For the first time conservatives can truly unite on a national activist level. You and Free Republic are irreplaceable! Thank you for all of your hard work and dedication. As always actions speak louder than words... Pay day is in 2 weeks, the check will be at your place soon thereafter.

Long live Free Republic !!

3,558 posted on 08/05/2002 5:35:04 PM PDT by callisto
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To: Jim Robinson
Keep the site going.
3,559 posted on 08/05/2002 5:41:26 PM PDT by jackliberty
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To: Jim Robinson
I want FR to stay. It's a terrific place to share news and to debate and argue. You do a great service to conservatism with this site, Jim Robinson. Thanks.
3,560 posted on 08/05/2002 5:43:46 PM PDT by WaterDragon
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